I hate to say this but Bush is going to win next year............

[sventvkg]

Look at this crap in the senate last night..DAMN..I mean it just gets worse and worse..I have not talked to anyone who is for these crazy right wing policies yet they just keep getting pushed through and they repubs keep F@#$ing the American People..And the Dems are POWERLESS to stop it!!!!! Sen Clinton is correct in her statement that the Repubs are on an idological crucade and the dems are failing to see this and can't stop it....All I can say is get ready because this is the Beginning of an even worse 2nd term...I'm sure you will flame away rather then really anyalize what i'm saying and see reality as it is....The dem party is over....MAybe the Sheeple will finally wake up and maybe this is what was needed to get them to do so...I'll be getting ready for the Anti-Draft MArches on Washington, the Riots and the subversion of our founding principals to get even worse..I suggest you all do the same..But you'll probably just laugh at me...Good luck.......

[mmonk]

1. yes

cowardice + propaganda is going to make things difficult.

[PVnRT]

2. So you're admitting defeat a full year early

and yet your sig line as "We need to take our country back!!!!!!1"

So which is it, take the country back, or give up?

[BurtWorm]

11. It's fair to suffer a moment of pessimism

This is an age during which pessimism is frequently called for. And I think sven's points are valid. I'm not sure if the cause is the people's apathy alone. I think the people have learned to be helpless. It's a miracle more of us haven't, that even 40% of the electorate still participates in elections.

[evil_orange_cat]

3. Canada seems nice

decriminalized pot, hockey, and a progressive government... I love America, but damn... I agree with you...

OOHHHH CANADA!!

[Guaranteed]

4. I'm getting

REAL sick of this.

[bryant69]

5. Oh boy

You really are looking for pity, aren't you? Can't one disagree with you without making fun of you or laughing at you?

At any rate I do disagree with you. We do have a chance to win next year. We don't have to lobby members of congress to get our man in, we have to lobby the American people. If the election were held today it'd be tough, but in the next 11 months I expect that the war in Iraq will continue to be a self evident vietnam style mistake. I think that most of the recent up news in the economy is seasonal (unfortnately), and that next year will be tough. And I believe that the work that is being done to expose Diebold is starting to have an effect. So not everything is going in Bush's favor. Keep Hope Alive.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Sticky]

6. How can the electorate make wise decisions

when the source of information is CNN and MSNBC? In 3 days of watching I have not seen the Medicare bill dicussed on it's merits or debated on the facts. What does America know about it? America knows there is government infighting over it and that the Democrats are being a pain in the @ss. This is the information the average person hears and files away for voting day.

[Neecy]

20. good point

The ONLY place I've seen an intelligent breakdown of the issues in this bill has been in the print media. How many people read the Washington Post?

CNN and MSRNC are too busy discussing the exciting issues involved in the Jackson case. They certainly don't want the public to know what a complete corporate sellout this bill was, or how it gives drug companies the ability to foist any price they want on their products for senior citizens.

[msmcghee]

37. People don't make decisions based on information . .

. .they do so because of what feels good to them. Right now, it feels good for average Americans to attach themselves to power (conservatives) and to despise weakness (liberals).

The BFEE understand this very well. They will take maximum advantage of this 9/11 bubble to destroy all forms of liberal power and influence in our government and in our culture.

Unfortunately, these average Americans will not realize what they did until it's all over. There will now be several decades of rule by the warrior-class, not only in America, but in the world at large. Many will die. As usual, children, seniors, the poor, the weak and the invalid will suffer. Holdouts like Canada will eventually roll over.

We probably can't stop it. Enjoy what beauty there is in the world before it is all gone. I don't mean for this post to be so pessimistic - just realistic. Although we are in for some rough years - we can resist and not give them the satisfaction of having us join them. That will enrage them but we get to die honestly. In the end that's all that counts anyway.

[maddezmom]

7. not laughing at you just sad at your remarks

We still an entire year to take back the country. It's not time to give up.

[OneBlueSky]

8. unfortunately, you're probably correct . . .

with the Repubs controlling both houses of Congress, the media, AND the voting machines, I don't see any way for the Democrats to win next year . . . it will take a scandal of huge proportions to take Bush down . . . and even that may not be enough . . . brace yourself for the draft, and for the end of Medicare and Social Security as we know them . . .

[BurtWorm]

9. There's nothing to laugh about in what you say

(except for some misspelling here and there ;) ). I've been on this train of thought myself lately. The Medicare bill is a perfect example of the age: it's a Trojan Horse designed to kill Medicare, and everyone knows it's a Trojan Horse; but the Republicans go right ahead shoving this piece of dishonesty down our throats, the Dems let them, and the media pretend it's some kind of "progressive" victory--a social program add-on, instead of a worm waiting to eat it from the inside out. (No offense to worms or horses.)

[sventvkg]

14. It's actually my typing and the fact that i'm secure enough

in myself and just too lazy to fix the mistakes.:)

[davsand]

10. Why don't I mix the Koolaid for you?

Gawd.

This is like everything else in the fight against shrub and his agenda. It sucks and it is gonna hurt a lot of people--but it is NOT the death of the DNC.

With attitude like that why bother to even vote? Hell--why bother to even keep on living?

Pull yer socks up, for pete's sake.

Laura

[sventvkg]

15. Oh, i'm not suicidal in the least Laura.I'll be the one in full Kevlar

Body armour out there in the Anti-draft Marches defending my fellow freedom lovers from the Facists..I'm not a defeatest and SURE AS HELL NOT A COWARD..I'm a REALIST and What I say is REAL.......

[Guaranteed]

17. It's not real. It's a year away.

You can't predict the future. THAT'S reality. Now, enough with the whining. FIGHT.

[evil_orange_cat]

21. buy guns

even Ashcroft doesn't want to investigate gun purchases... he wants to investigate the books we read at libraries... but tracking guns? HELL NOO!!!

so you know what? BUY GUNS! :D

[NoKingGeorge]

26. We beat his a## once.We will do it again.

The Congress critters do not elect. aWol lost last time. This time he has not brought in any new groups, seniors see through the medi-bill,Military sees his cutting, Jobs are gone, even the small crowd that follows the junkie is screaming about big government,entitlements,deficits. The BBV folks have loaded the cannons of doubt. Please, hold the barricades, America is alive and will win, as always.

[BurtWorm]

27. Good thing AWOL lost last time. Imagine what would happen if he WON!

;)

[evil_orange_cat]

30. he doesn't need to win...

to stay in power...


BTW, I heard Catherine Harris is running for Congress.

[BurtWorm]

31. Katherine Harris is IN Congress, believe it or not.

You meant, maybe, running for the Senate?

[evil_orange_cat]

32. I'm gonna puke, thanks...

senate, congress... ick... she should be in prison... but then again, so should a lot of our "leaders" LOL

[BurtWorm]

16. Don't shoot the messenger.

He's making some valid points. This is not just an election we're in. Votes may not cure the disease. It's important to know what the nature of the illness is to know how to respond to it. I think sven is pointing to some key symptoms: the people want one thing, the corporations something else. So whose needs does the government attend to? How do you change that political culture when elections only make it worse?

[July]

12. I'm discouraged, too, but

Lots of people are fed up, including many who voted for Bush in 2000. Don't forget he lost then, and he's going to get fewer votes this time around. Some of these senators are going to be held to account by voters, too.

IMO, it all depends on the fair election issue. If the votes are honestly counted, Bush loses.

[BurtWorm]

18. Just because he gets fewer votes won't mean he won't "win."

[July]

28. So true, BW, but I'm hoping we don't go through that again

[BurtWorm]

29. I'm hoping too. I hope hope is warranted.

Of course it will take more than hope. The question is, what will it take? An angry, motivated electorate would be nice!

[adriennel]

13. Congratulations!

with this attitude, you're helping Bush win another term.

Am I scared out of my wits that Bush will serve a second term? You bet!

Am I going to admit defeat one full year in advance(which is exactly what the Repugs want, btw) and whine about how much the DNC sucks and they don't represent me and there's no hope for the future? Absolutely no way! I am going to fight to remove Bush II from office all the way up to election day 2004.

I am not a DNC member. I don't particularly like the actions of the Dem party. At the moment I want to strangle Tom Daschle for being such a lame-o.

Still, I don't see our point. Bush is going to win so we should __________? Start planning post-2004 election protests? Or concentrate on removing this joker from office?

The glass is half full now, people. Let's keep thinking this way.

[sventvkg]

23. News Flash Jack..The DNC DOES FUCKING SUCK!!!

I'm saying get ready for the Fight...The riots and Marches and start telling everyone you know who is 18-25 about the Draft...and Tell them NOT TO GO!!!! This is what i'm saying bro..Be real...Start getting ready because we will obviously win the general election but it's going to be fixed so Bush gets the electoral vote yet again.......Cry all you want to me but in the back of your mind you had better get ready in case i'm right...READ THE ART OF WAR...I'm getting a New copy tomorrow...:)

[adriennel]

34. don't call me Jack

or bro, because I'm not.

It's clear you did not read my post thoroughly, because I stated we should NOT whine and cry (ala your original post "it's over") but fight until the very day and beyond. Hello???

I have been fighting Bush since he started his 2000 campaign. I fight the Bush Junta every day with my words and actions. I have been alarmed about the re-instatement of the draft for a few months now, and speak out against it even though I have been openly laughed at by those who think the draft is dead and gone.

READ THE ART OF WAR--already done so. required reading.

Don't be so presumptuous, my friend. Practice visualization. Negativity attracts negativity.

[janx]

19. HA! Well great. Go get in bed and cry.

Eeyore.

[Le Taz Hot]

22. While you're "getting ready"

perhaps you can register some Democrats. Or organize your local precincts. Or volunteer for the local Democratic Party. Or run for office.

Or you can give up. Your choice.

[sventvkg]

24. i'm getting my State of AK voter Registrar certification

I am going to try to get dems registered and others just to simply votel..Tough job up here because most people are PRO ALASKA and dont;' think much about the rest of the country or world. And they are for oil drilling, Military spending, Missile defense, etc etc..All things that brings Alaskans Money..The Do not see the big picture. I will say the Dean Meetups have been very large and are still growing so there is a voice of dissent up here so we have hope.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

25. Damn right!

We can roll over and hide our heads in the sand and wait for the nightmare to be over -- but no thanks, I spent more time doing that than I choose to admit.

Or, we can work to affect change. We KNOW that many people opposed this bill and oppose this administration. And many of those people don't vote. Use the anger to motivate you to work harder to get out the vote.

It's not "over" unless we give up.

[TahitiNut]

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[politicat]

35. Not quite. We have a year and I'm not willing to give up. This is our war.

"I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many months of struggle and suffering." Winston Churchill, on forming the government he took over after Chamberlain left.

"We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight ... and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength.... We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender ...." Winston Churchill, June, 1940 (House of Commons)

"We shall not go gently into that good night." Dylan Thomas

And finally, "You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit-ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling, for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent-resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half-truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, we must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood.

The purpose of our direct-action program is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue." Martin Luther King, Letter from A Birmingham Jail.

This is the war that my generation must fight, a war against the eternal night of fascism that will destroy us all and destroy the legacy of our founders.

They'll have to kill me before I will stop fighting for my country's survival.

They may, and I shall regret that I have but one life to give. (Paraphrase, Patrick Henry.)

Politicat

[onecitizen]

36. No,no,no............

take a deep breath and relax. I've been where you are today.

The Repukes ALWAYS over-reach, always. This last Congress is a prime example of this. They have gone way too far this time with the Medicare debacle. It will hurt them big time. NOW, our side needs to start pointing this out at every opportunity. Put them on the defensive to defend their conservative agenda. That they are spending like a drunk college kid with a new credit card. That they've increased the national debt to a point this country has NEVER EVER seen. That the Federal Govt. has grown by 26% under them!! That they encourage big business to go off shore and take our jobs with them. That more people under this administration have lost their benefits than at any other time in our history. In fact, people who are still working are losing their benefits as we speak. That people's overtime pay is gone. That retirees have lost their pensions under bush. Outrageous. That they only represent big business interests and could give a hoot about the average,everyday working person out there. That more people have slipped from middle class into poverty since before WWII. And they started with the greatest economical boon this country has ever known. They just can not manage money. The only way they can win anything is by cheating. Just look at the last week. THEY LOST THE VOTE IN THE HOUSE and had to cheat to get their way. The senior citizens will not take this lying down. They ARE the greatest generation and these smug, flag waving Bible thumpers have pissed off the wrong crowd. They are doomed.

[mazzarro]

38. I am becoming increasingly pessimistic of the democratic party's

chances in the upcoming election, being that our legislative leadership is clearly our own worst enemy. The Senate Democratic leadership, especially, is a sorry collection of individuals led by the most spineless of them all - Senator Daschle.
I was very disillusioned when the Democratic legislative leadership and the part leadership failed miserably to support Al Gore in the 2000 Florida debacle. Then I lost all faith in them when they engineered the total collapse of the 2002 mid-term election by following the DLC program sheepishly without regard to the party's principles or the opinion of the rank-and-file.
Yes I will keep hope "alive" for the defeat of Shrub* and the *publicans. But our leadership (legislative and party) is not helping matters and is causing me severe case of gastritis everytime I watch their pathetic performance in the face of the monolithic *publican march intent on taking the country into fascism.