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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:17 AM
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:24 AM
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1. "RESISTANCE and not victory"
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 11:26 AM by leftyandproud
I love this line...It sums everything up.
We need to take a stand on PRINCIPLE...even if it means we lose a few short term battles. We need to pull the democratic party back to the left...back to the BASE! Sadly, doing this may require short term pain...making our so-called leaders realize that they will lose power when they make endless compromises with the right. They will lose power because we WILL GO ELSEWHERE if they don't stand up for us.
I'm afraid this is the ONLY WAY way to get their attention, and bring about real change in the party leadership. If we keep giving the GOP legislative victories, voting democratic loses its purpose. If things keep going this way, I can see a 15% green turnout by 2008...and more thereafter.
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:26 AM
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2. resistence not victory?????
That is what Dashle has been doing.

I learned something in a business partnership long ago. 49% of something is NOTHING.

We need an approach that will bring about victory.
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:29 AM
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4. It is WE who need to do the resisting..
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 11:31 AM by leftyandproud
a horrible as it sounds...the DLC puppets in the senate and the congress, while better than the pukes...must be sacrificed. We need to send a message...and the thing politicians understand more than anything is their POWER. If their power is threatened due to their "We support this, just not as much" attitude, they WILL make the necessary changes to hold their jobs. It is OUR job however, to hold them accountable. They will not change until WE draw the line in the sand.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:34 PM
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14. That's been proven over and over again in the Senate
Compromise is not an option.

We're looking for a win-win situation & they just want to win. That's the game they want to play, because compromise = weakness when you're facing a bully.

I also learned this from a business partnership, btw.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:44 PM
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:29 AM
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3. Sounds like we need a dictator.
You know, for "unity."

If so, may I recommend myself for the job? I'll make great decisions, I promise. :P

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:36 AM
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6. fuck terry mccauliff...he has got to be replaced NOW!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:36 PM
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15. LOL...your sig line says it all.
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TXvote Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:31 AM
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5. Dazzle them with silliness
The one thing the neo cons rely on , is pissing us thoughtful people off. Just remember, it is impossible to appear sane when you are hopping mad.

Imagine how disarming it would be to suddenly stop preaching and "attacking" Biff co, but instead to make it all about what we love.

Ex: I love the earth, don't you?
Of course i do!
Well, where do you stand on the clean air act because I'm worried and maybe you can help me see the issue in a new light....


Can you hear the sound of jaws dropping yet?

I am personally fighting voter apathy with silliness and light hearted LOVE. See what I mean at www.votervirgin.com
Shameless, I know, but MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE than the endless education, preaching, begging, etc I tried for years. Get them to register and the education will follow.

Can I hear a shout out for the power of LOVE?

Peace,
Teresa
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:36 AM
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7. I've been saying that Dems are making a BIG mistake if they plan to defeat
Bush based on a failed presidency. Dems have to be prepared to attack the image of a SUCCESSFUL presidency because that is the image that will be presented by the RNC and the corporate media.

When that 87 billion passed for Iraq, that 87 bil. was a down payment on election 2004 because that money will buy a veneer of success in Iraq. The media will promote that image over all others.

If we don't run the candidate that is most capable of taking it to Bush on all the issues that the media will deem successful, then we'll be one sorry party in Nov. 2004.

I am no longer of the mind that ANY of the candidates can beat Bush. I now agree with Clinton, that National Security wil be THE issue and there are only two who can argue the strongest against BushInc. on that score.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:50 AM
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9. We've got to nominate a candidate next year...
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 12:00 PM by GainesT1958
Who will have the credentials to stand up to Dub on the "national security" issue...and BEAT him on it! As well as the economy (it'll still be in the doldrums, no matter WHAT short-term "revised consumer confidence index" stats say today), and on losing our Constitutional freedoms. To me, there is actually ONE guy in the race who can make those arguments effectively, and be seen as trying to win, and NOT just "vent"...

You may disagree with me on the identity of that guy, but, the more I think about it, we have to look at the WINNING strategy for next year in terms of two questions:

1) "Do we want to WIN, or do we just want to VENT?";

and,

2) "Do we want to REACT, or do we want to LEAD?"

Positive answers to those two are the ONLY way in which we'll have a shot not only at beating Dub next year, but also to assure that we can win in 2008 and beyond, as well. Because the only way we're going to change things for the LONG-TERM in this nation is by not merely WINNING power, but by KEEPING it for many years. Don't believe it? Just ask Bill Clinton!

:kick:

But, above all...we MUST focus on WINNING next year...anything less is capitulation...and that's NOT my style!

B-)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:56 AM
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10. Screw it. I'm with Clinton.
The more I see the Bush 2004 campaign and its corporate media whores, the more I see it. Only Clark and Kerry can mount the campaign needed.

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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:44 AM
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8. I would suggest Victory, Not Vengence, actually.
Resistance without a larger goal is resistance for the sake of resistance. It's James Dean Rebelling against whatever you've got.

We have to have a goal, even if it is so far off as to be distant and uncertain. Otherwise, we flounder and go no where.

It's a dream. Victory is the dream. But without a goal, a dream, we're just spinning our wheels.

Politicat

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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:08 PM
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11. The Plame affair is not dead.
A##man can do all he wants, but there are career men/women in the FBI and the CIA who will not stand for having two traitors in the government. Even if a##man does not produce a report, the traitors will be exposed. Someone in the WH dimed them out because they knew it was Treason.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:17 PM
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12. It's the education stupid
I think many don't read newspapers, Internet etc. and
don't know what's going on.

It's an easy job for us to keep a list of pals who
want to receive the information and for us to send
it on to them. Make a distribution list today.

Give them a short list of the websites that have
news and opinions on them.

Tell them to subscribe to www.moveon.org,
www.democrats.com, truemajority.com, workingforchange.com

Send alerts on when they need to take an action

Give them a list of their Reps and how to contact them.

Make it easy to act.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:27 PM
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13. Nope
People who won't read the daily newspaper, which is pretty accessible, are not going to read the Internet.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:56 PM
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16. Did you read the post about Jenna Bush's claims of sexual abuse?
Would this type of post be off limits? Because if it is as bad or worse than what appears on the surface, should we use all means at our disposal, including character assassination, to bring down this wanna be dictator? Would this include spreading false rumors and unproven stories about Dubya? Are no all things fair in politics and war? And love? :)
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 01:11 PM
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17. Pete, not to throw any wet blankets,
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 01:15 PM by FlaGranny
but who, might I ask, will notice the resistance? At most, if it were reported, it would be attributed to a lunatic fringe. Probably a good 90% of Americans have no idea what has been happening over the years, and, for the very same reason, probably 90% of Americans will not notice a resistance. The reason? Evidence of crimes and dissent are being ignored. The parasites and gangsters who run the country learned their lesson well. The war in Viet Nam was shorted because of protests and war film footage - the protests and war were broadcast on nightly news. Therefore, do not report, and the majority will never know.

For the past 30 or 40 years I myself didn't really notice what was happening in our country. The only thing that made me really aware was when I decided to research G.W. prior to the 2000 election and then, after the election, finding this site with all its excellent research. The more I learn, the more hopeless I feel.

Edit: Typos
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