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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:25 PM
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Krugman on revolutionary power and baffled moderates
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 01:23 PM by Karmadillo
This has probably been posted and reposted, but Krugman's summary of Kissinger's work on the workings of revolutionary power is worth reading again on a day when the Democrats have once more caved on a major issue. If we continue compromising and going along to get along and dreaming any day now magical changes in the status quo will somehow restore the FDR coalition leading to a happy ending to the current nightmare, we'll end up with absolutely nothing. Bush & Co are beating the crap out of us and moving to the center will encourage further beatings, not love and unity.

We have to learn how to fight effectively and we have to learn how to discipline Democrats who find it congenial to vote with Republicans at the expense of those they allegedly represent. I honestly don't see where we have much to lose by actually standing up for what we claim to believe. There's a huge base of poor and middle class voters out there just waiting to be organized in support of a just society, but they'll never be organized as long as we continue to put matters of comfort before matters of conscience.

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In fact, there's ample evidence that key elements of the coalition that now runs the country believe that some long-established American political and social institutions should not, in principle, exist....Consider, for example....New Deal programs like Social Security and unemployment insurance, Great Society programs like Medicare....Or consider foreign policy....separation of church and state....The goal would seem to be something like this: a country that basically has no social safety net at home, which relies mainly on military force to enforce its will abroad, in which schools don't teach evolution but do teach religion and — possibly — in which elections are only a formality....

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Back to Kissinger. His description of the baffled response of established powers in the face of a revolutionary challenge works equally well as an account of how the American political and media establishment has responded to the radicalism of the Bush administration over the past two years:...."they find it nearly impossible to take at face value the assertions of the revolutionary power that it means to smash the existing framework"....this passage sent chills down my spine....

There's a pattern...within the Bush administration....which should suggest that the administration itself has radical goals. But in each case the administration has reassured moderates by pretending otherwise — by offering rationales for its policy that don't seem all that radical. And in each case moderates have followed a strategy of appeasement....this is hard for journalists to deal with: they don't want to sound like crazy conspiracy theorists. But there's nothing crazy about ferreting out the real goals of the right wing; on the contrary, it's unrealistic to pretend that there isn't a sort of conspiracy here, albeit one whose organization and goals are pretty much out in the open....

Here's a bit more from Kissinger: "The distinguishing feature of a revolutionary power is not that it feels threatened...but that absolutely nothing can reassure it (Kissinger's emphasis). Only absolute security — the neutralization of the opponent — is considered a sufficient guarantee"....I don't know where the right's agenda stops, but I have learned never to assume that it can be appeased through limited concessions. Pundits who predict moderation on the part of the Bush administration, on any issue, have been consistently wrong....

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:30 PM
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1. For a war criminal he can be spot on...
I think that adequately describes the actions of the NeoCons over the past few years. WE are not the 'radicals' in this fight-- THEY are the radicals. THEY want to shred the constitution, THEY want to tear down the social safety net, THEY want to impose their religious views on this religiously tolerant nation.

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with good ol' Kissenger, but he makes some valid points once in a while. Just like a stopped clock being right twice a day, I guess.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:36 PM
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2. Democrats standing up for their supposed principles
What a novel idea. :shrug: We can dream can't we.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:38 PM
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3. Democrats are trying to be the party of money
not the party of the poor and the minorities and the masses

Sorry Dems, Repukes have a definite advantage in the money department...maybe you should get back to your roots!
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dani Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:40 PM
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4. I think this is what most Americans
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 12:42 PM by dani
don't understand about the modern Republicans:

In fact, there's ample evidence that key elements of the coalition that now runs the country believe that some long-established American political and social institutions should not, in principle, exist


How radical their agenda is. If only the Dems would find a way to communicate this. I know some of the candidates have tried, but without much success so far.
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J B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 12:51 PM
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5. Is Krugman consciously comparing Bush to Hitler here?
I ask because of the similarities of the process he is describing.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 01:16 PM
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6. It would fit. Hitler kissed babies, too.
The "nice amicable aww shucks guy" thing. That kind of smarmy folkism is exactly what helped Herr Hitler become endeared to the average German heart.


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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 04:21 PM
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7. Kick
n/t
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:02 AM
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8. One last kick.
n/t
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