Should Tom Daschle be replaced as Senate minority leader?

[BuckeFushe]

The Republican Majority and the Bush administration have shoved their agenda down the collective throats of the Democrats. Tom Daschle has failed, once again, to prevent the steamroller of conservative policy from changing OUR country to their country. It's time for a change.

[ieoeja]

1. But not for this.

For all his past failures. In particular, his failures during the 2002 elections.

[pippin]

10. definitely

Also about time someone posts a thread blacklisting the democratic legislators who have sold us down river with everything from supporting the war to medicare. I for one will not vote again for Diane Feinstein. :mad:

[Touchdown]

2. Yeah, with Bill Frist.

Then we can get a majority leader who isn't Tom Daschle.

[BurtWorm]

30. Nice!

:toast:

[el_gato]

3. yes but with who?

[BuckeFushe]

5. I think it's goten to the point of "anyone but Daschle"

He's had enough time to prove his leadership, or rather, lack thereof.

[Yupster]

32. Are you sure?

Ring the Bell
Let's vote for Zell !!

[GR]

6. I'd Like To See Dick Durbin...Or The Old Lion Kennedy...

Dodd originally ran against Daschle but lost. He would be better than Daschle but I think I'm leaning to Durbin right now or Kennedy if he would take it...

[Langis]

4. Didn't he support the energy bill?

Didn't he not support the only way to kill the medicare bill? Yes replace him.

[BuckeFushe]

7. He had the opportunity to filibuster the drug bill and blew it

He was tricked by Bush into voting for the Partiot Act (as so many others were) he supports the Energy bill so his state can gain from the methanol subsidies. He has NOT put America or his party first.

[Woodstock]

28. also he voted for the "partial birth" bill

even though a majority of Americans said they wanted the health exception - this was a made to order on principle poll supported stand he could have made

no health exception, no bill

Clinton managed to pull that stand off and get elected to two terms as president

also, Daschle could have pointed out how the procedure the bill banned was not clearly defined (on purpose) - and thus could ban other procedures in all trimesters - and STRONGLY discourage doctors (the bill is stacked with jailtime & other legal penalties) from performing abortions at all out of fear (which we know most Americans would not want to see happen, since a majority support Roe v. Wade) - therefore women will die because their doctors can't do what is needed to save their health (the closest thing to the mythical partial birth procedure was documented as the best option in a number of cases to prevent out of control bleeding, hysterectomy, & other medical complications to the women that would compromise the woman's health and/or lead to loss of life in the long term, but since there's the vagueness, that means other procedures as well won't be performed) and even to save their lives in the short term (because the doctors are too afraid to perform a procedure that is so vaguely defined or face jail, there is a good chance they won't perform them even in a short term save the woman's life case)

put that way (and it's the truth) I think he could persuade enough constituents to keep his seat

so here was a case where Tommy Mouse could have gained that midwest respect for showing guts and taking a tough stand in the name of doing the right thing - and educating his constituents that it was the right thing if he had to due to the overwhelming right wing propaganda - and instead he voted against a major part of the Democratic party platform (and the top reason why most women vote Democratic in the first place - and recent polls show they still make up a gender gap that gets Democrats elected)

he failed his constituents and he failed the party

if Mr. Mouse has to cave to stay in office (I'll need convincing on that) then he has no business being leader - the role should go to someone with a safe seat

[WhosNext]

8. Yes, with Feingold

[burr]

25. amen!!!

Feingold with McCain as the minority whip, if he switches parties!

As I mentioned before, Feingold must first challenge Daschle on several votes to buildup his strength within the Senate. For instance, those supporting the filibuster had the support of 26 Democrats to Daschles' 22. In the next battle against giving support to shrub, Feingold must prove that he can rally more than 30 Democrats to his side leaving Daschle with less than 20. This will allow him to create a loyal base of support among Senate Democrats to challenge and ultimately defeat Daschle, as Gingrich defeated Madigan of Illinios by only two votes in 1989. At that time, Gingrich began to overshadow even minority leader Bob Michael as a growing force among Repukes.

<snip>
Republicans began to feel strongly that they were "not interested in being a BETTER MINORITY. Newt personifies that message." by Janet Hook, "Gingrich's Selection as Whip Shows Reflects GOP Discontent"...
<snip>

[La_Serpiente]

9. Feingold

[BuckeFushe]

11. After only a few minutes, over 90% say yes, Daschle should read DU

And so should our Senators or their aids who lurk here.

[YNGW]

16. question

So why don't they?

:shrug:

dai

[mlawson]

23. It's some insider deal in the Senate.

The complexity of which might amaze us. Or, it's for some simple bullshit reason we wouldn't think of in 100 years.

Either way, don't hold your breath.

[psychopomp]

26. 'thrax warning?

n/t

[Cocoa]

12. Martin Sheen

only a fictional leader will satisfy me.

[Dr Fate]

15. Well, I dont know WHO could replace him either...

...but that does not take away from the fact that he is unpopular and seems to always fall on the wrong side of how the base wants things done...

[Love Bug]

13. Hell, yes

Daschle has never met a republican bill he didn't like. Why is he even there?

[Dr Fate]

14. A tiny, flacid penis would be more effective.

Can we get somone with a more assertive style???

I dont care for Daschle- I cant stand his wimpy, punk-ass voice either.

He is certainly the poster child for "pink-tu tu Democrats"

Wheter this is fair or not, it is the perception- he is too timid. NEVER passionate, and has NO CLUE how to get the desired media responses...

[el_gato]

17. we should by a pink tu tu and send it to him

To Tom
From the gang at DU

[BuckeFushe]

18. If you want a detailed analysis as to why, read here

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/03/05/05.html

[truthspeaker]

19. YES

And when I say "yes", what I really mean is "FUCK yes".

[0007]

20. Gotta get something that works.

Daschle and eight other's need to be voted out.

And a few others need a saliva test and taken to the animal hospital.

[BuckeFushe]

21. A must bump

Cannot let this issue drop into obscurity.

[Woodstock]

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[Padraig18]

24. Dick Durbin would be awesome!

Bright, impeccable liberal credentials, clean as a hound's tooth, a fantastic orator, a stable seat, etc. . I could go on and on, but I won't, because he's the obvious choice. :)

[BuckeFushe]

29. PASSION

The one Ingredient lacking in Daschle's personality.

[solinvictus]

27. Daschle should be out

What difference is there if he refuses to oppose any of this crap being forced on the US people?

[Presidentcokedupfratboy]

31. Time for us to give as good as we get.

It's time for Carville to take over at the DNC and Hillary to take over the Senate leadership.

to paraphrase "The Untouchables:




James Carville: You said you wanted to get Bush. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do?
Howard Dean: Anything and everything in my power.
Carville: And THEN what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way because they're not gonna give up the fight until one of you is dead.
Dean: How do you do it then?
Carville: You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send on of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get Bush! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?
Dean: I have sworn to defeat this man with all legal powers at my disposal and I will do so.
Carville: Well the Lord hates a coward. Do you know what a blood oath is Mr. Dean?
Dean: Yes.
Carville: Good, cause you just took one.

We have to kick ass, early and often.

:kick: :nuke:

[kodi]

33. need a safe state democrat unencumbered by re-election woes

daschle had to spend a lot of time and energy ensuring his re-election.

lesson in this is that over 2 years ago the GOP targeted daschle for defeat, and whatever he did was ammo for his defeat. he had to deal too gingerly with issues than was necssary and everything that happened as a result of his softness led to this disaster by the democratic leadership. the GOP was thinking long-term, and put daschle in the position he found himself while the democrats were farting around.

you dont have to be bobby fischer to see that the GOP took to school the democratic party by better planning.

wanna know how to beat the GOP in the senate? have al gore run against bill frist.

i like schumer or durbin to replace daschle. and get some chess players in the leadership positions instead of the damn fatcat golfers.

[saoirse]

34. Durbin or Boxer

Byrd and Kennedy would be great too, even if the media
wouldn't quit harping about the KKK and Chappaquidick.

I love Hillary, but she hasn't been there long enough.
And I think she's got her eyes on a bigger prize...

[CreekDog]

35. I Think Durbin is Strongest Choice

Durbin has become a stronger and stronger voice for Democrats. He has always been reliable and always been good for us. He's also smart and has wangled some stuff out of the Republicans without compromising his values.

Kennedy is great too. He was always willing to work with the Republicans but learned where that road led to. He can be the poster boy for solidarity among Democrats.

[moondust]

36. Durbin.

I don't know how much is even possible when your party is in the minority in all three branches of the fed gov't plus a minority of governors but...Tom has seemingly caved too many times. I think Durbin might stand up to the gang bangers better than anybody there right now.