Is there anything that could stop *Bush?

[smirkymonkey]

before the next election?? I know it's wishful thinking, but there are so many variables out there - and I, for one, think it's going to be a rough road to election day.

What do you think, from the mundane to the cataclysmic, could turn things around for us before November 2004? (i.e. public opinion could turn all the way to a meteorite crashes into the White House).

[HFishbine]

1. Howard Dean

:)

[Sticky]

2. This freeper forum says yes.

....and it's all about his broken campaign promises.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1027345/posts

[0007]

3. Goddamn it! junior is a liar, an AWOL jerk and never had a job..

so who would think he's qualified to speak for me or live in our White House?

[izzie]

18. One half the people who vote. Sorry to say that.

:mad:

[Cocoa]

4. he can be stopped ON election day

Not sure what you mean by being stopped before the election. If you mean can he be impeached, then no. If the republicans were ever going to impeach him, they would have done it for the WMD lies.

[smirkymonkey]

7. No, I mean, is there some event that could occur

in the world - natural or man made - that would take him and his henchmen out of the running?? Scandal, exposure, things going seriously fucking wrong (within reason) - Are any of these things likely to happen short of an act of God?

[Cocoa]

16. they've already happened

massive terrorist attack a couple of years ago, sucky economy, war, tons and tons of lies, coverups, etc.

[mmonk]

5. truth

if it can be shown.

[LauraT28]

6. Falling Meteor

I'm hoping a meteor will fall from the sky!

Or maybe a falling house from a tornado... is mother nature on our side?

:) :toast: :toast:

[Racenut20]

8. YES

Get the party the hell away from the gay marriage thing. It is going to make this election hopeless. None of the real issues are being discussed now. The "Media" has zeroed in on every one of them and thats half what they ask about.

[salinen]

11. I'm not sure

anything can stop this juggernaut of lies and paid-off corruption. But we are only one more 9-11 away from total meltdown.

[Think Globally]

9. Nominate a progessive!

When Democrats don't hold true to their values they lose elections!

[Homer12]

10. Presidental Sex Scandals

Starting wars for a narrow ideological agenda for a small group of Rich white men with visions of imperial power is okay, but have consensual sex with an intern then that's grounds for impeachment.

That above is conservative and freeper logic, go figure?

[proud patriot]

12. yes here is the key IMHO

The defeat of manufacturing consent = defeat bush2004
I posted a thread on this here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=767713

Manufacturing Consent
A Propaganda Model
excerpted from the book
Manufacturing Consent
by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky
Pantheon Books, 1988

The mass media serve as a system for communicating messages and symbols to the general populace. It is their function to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behavior that will integrate them into the institutional structures of the larger society. In a world of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest, to fulfill this role requires systematic propaganda.

In countries where the levers of power are in the hands of a state bureaucracy, the monopolistic control over the media, often supplemented by official censorship, makes it clear that the media serve the ends of a dominant elite. It is much more difficult to see a propaganda system at work where the media are private and formal censorship is absent. This is especially true where the media actively compete, periodically attack and expose corporate and governmental malfeasance, and aggressively portray themselves as spokesmen for free speech and the general community interest. What is not evident (and remains undiscussed in the media) is the limited nature of such critiques, as well as the huge inequality in command of resources, and its effect both on access to a private media system and on its behavior and performance.

A propaganda model focuses on this inequality of wealth and power and its multilevel effects on mass-media interests and choices. It traces the routes by which money and power are able to filter out the news fit to print, marginalize dissent, and allow the government and dominant private interests to get their messages across to the public. The essential ingredients of our propaganda model, or set of news "filters," fall under the following headings: (I) the size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth, and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms; (~) advertising as the primary income source of the mass media; (3) the reliance of the media on information provided by government, business, and "experts" funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power; (4) "flak" as a means of disciplining the media; and (5) "anticommunism" as a national religion and control mechanism. These elements interact with and reinforce one another. The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns.

The elite domination of the media and marginalization of dissidents that results from the operation of these filters occurs so naturally that media news people, frequently operating with complete integrity and goodwill, are able to convince themselves that they choose and interpret the news "objectively" and on the basis of professional news values. Within the limits of the filter constraints they often are objective; the constraints are so powerful, and are built into the system in such a fundamental way, that alternative bases of news choices are hardly imaginable. In assessing the newsworthiness of the U.S. government's urgent claims of a shipment of MIGs to Nicaragua on November 5, I984, the media do not stop to ponder the bias that is inherent in the priority assigned to government-supplied raw material, or the possibility that the government might be manipulating the news, imposing its own agenda, and deliberately diverting attention from other material. It requires a macro, alongside a micro- (story-by-story), view of media operations, to see the pattern of manipulation and systematic bias.
(snip)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/Manufac_Consent_Prop_Model.html

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I think if we can stop the media from manufacturing consent
where there is none we have a chance . I just recieved this email
from moveon.org which indicates that Fox News was the place
where the idea of a GOP all night fillabuster about Judicial
Nominees came about . I think if we all try our best to get
this story out there , we'd be doing a great service to the
American people .

Here is the email I recieved from moveon.org:

Dear Media Corps member,
When we launched Fox Watch, we figured you'd find lots to report on. But we never anticipated that the results would come so quickly or be so outrageous. In the first few days of this initiative, we received word of Fox News media malpractice so egregious, we need you to help us alert the rest of the media today.

We've put together a press release about this incident. You can read it and electronically fax it to a news outlet of your choice, then follow up Tuesday with a phone call. Together we can get this incident in the news.


In an October 26 interview, Fox News anchors Tony Snow and Brit Hume questioned Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R.-Tenn.) on his response to the Democratic rejection of Bush's four most radical judicial nominees. The two pressed a reluctant Frist to hold an all-night filibuster session to draw media attention to the Democrats' stance, a strategy supported by many conservative activists. "Why won't you do it?" demanded Snow.

Less than two weeks later, Frist announced just such a session. Fox News crossed the line from journalism into advocacy for conservative causes.

Moreover, before the session began, a leaked memo showed Frist's aide coordinated with Fox News producers to have the Republicans march into the Senate chamber in time for a live shot at the start of Brit Hume's evening news report. Hume and Snow had created the Republicans' media spectacle and now wanted to broadcast the event with dramatic flair.

While Howard Dean has claimed the mantle of the 'Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,' Fox News has clearly become the public relations wing of the Republican Party. This is unacceptable practice for a media outlet, a deception of the American public.

With your help, we can get the rest of the media to pay attention to this deception. We have put together a press release about the incident. Click the link below to read it and fax it to the news outlet of your choice. Tomorrow, follow up with a phone call encouraging them to cover the story.

Read the press release, then fax it to a news outlet of your choosing at:


Sincerely,
--Noah T. Winer
MoveOn.org
November 24, 2003

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=767713

[On the Road]

13. Maybe the Duke of Earl

[dand]

14. Impeachment,

if there were any Democrats with balls, all they need to do is read truthout http://truthout.org/docs_03/112503E.shtml

[ramapo]

15. The economy or a leader

The surest solution would be for the economy to tank and/or unemployment to rise. I'm not sure what's worse: four more years of Bush or the economy going back into the crapper which will hurt us all. But a bad economy will overshadow most campaign rhetoric and can motivate people to make a change.

Other than that it'll be tough to beat his propaganda machine fueled by >$200M.

I think Clark is the least vulnerable potential candidate having an impressive resume, obvious leadership ability, and a brain. He can't be beat up on the military thing.

Dean is sharp and innovative and won't take any crap. I'm not sure how he'll play around the country. I can see the media giving him a hard time. I fear he may not be likable.

I don't see any of the others going far. Edwards has shown some spunk railing against the Medicare fiasco but the others are pretty flat.

[izzie]

17. Anything could stop him but now he is running on the dem plans

This makes it harder and on top of that it will be after election when the old really see what this drug bills means to them. Bush is bankrupting the country but he will be long gone when we are handed the bill. He hardly cares.He will make a nice foot note in history as the one that brought a great country to its knees but even then it will be said the people wanted him, and they are really to blame.Just as the Germans were with Hitler.

[TXvote]

19. Impeach Cheney

and watch the house of cards fall. And that could happen anytime between now and the election.

That's my theory

Peace,
Teresa
www.votervirgin.com