Clark supporters, who is your VP choice

[AmericanDem]

mine is Clark/Gephardt, wouldn't mind Clark/Richardson either. Would liked to have set this as a poll but apparently I need to donate to do that.

[junker]

1. the only match up with existing candidates that make sense are

clark/sharpton (sharpton is one cagey bastard and survivor
clark/kucinch


here comes the sun!

[Mattforclark]

3. Sharpton v. Cheney

I would love to see him debating Cheney lol.

[Bucky]

82. But existing candidates rarely get the VP nod. But here's the best VP...

When was the last time a nominee picked a competitor as the VP? 1980, like that did America a big favor. The most vice presidential of the other candidates is actually John "ToughEnough" Kerry.

Fringe candidates like Kucinich or Sharpton are certainly not who you need to reach for. Clark, if he gets the nomination, is going to have his eye on the ball, wants a second in command who can step in, not just a ticket balancer. Mary Landrieu would be interesting, but it'd be a ticket of Arkansas-Louisiana. Clinton pulled that off with Gore, but Landrieu lacks the gravitas of a Gore.

Bill Richardson makes some sense, but I think he still has some baggage left over from the Clinton Administration. Wasn't there more than just Wen Ho Lee going on at DoE?

Dick Durbin, Maria Cantwell, and Patty Murray would give some regional balance and have solid credentials. I'd love to see Barbara Mikulski debate the Sneer. But part of Clark's appeal is that he's not really a politician, just a concerned citizen who's had some success in the public arena. I think we're missing the perfect choice to complement that appeal:

Oprah!

Imagine the Senate being run like her show. Baby, Oprah is ON.

[Mattforclark]

2. Dunno... but

Gephardt or someone like that might be good for the midwest,

Edwards or someone like that might be good for the south,

Landrieu or someone like that might be good for women/the south,

Richardson or someone like that might be good for the hispanics/southwest,

Dean might be good for base/organization.

[AmericanDem]

4. ummm Thanks for being specific

:scared:

[Mattforclark]

9. Well

I can see advantages and disadvantages for all of them. I was just trying to make that clear. I am sorry if you don't find that to be specific enough.

[mrgorth]

5. Dean

Oh, I'm a Dean guy...nevermind.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

6. Kucinich or Gephardt would be good

Clark needs some populist credentials badly, or we won't be able to GOTV on election day - he needs to pick someone with solid union support.

[RandomUser]

7. Not sure

But I think it should be someone with legislative experience. He needs someone with the skills to shephard bills through congress.

As a general managing bases and dealing with domestic programs on those bases, he stands to gain a lot less from having a governor as a VP. He already has executive domestic governance experience and has foreign policy down, but he lacks legislative experience. Thus, a senator or congress critter would work well with Clark. I suppose it's ok if the VP is a governor who previously held a position in the legislature. But a governor without legislative experience won't really help Clark, since Clark has that governing thing down already.

And whoever is his VP should also bring a swing state with him.

Many have expressed a preference for Clark/Dean, but I think it's not so much Dean that Clark needs, but rather Trippi.

[rucky]

8. Clark/Dean...by a mile!

Put Trippi in charge. You'd be a fool not to want to tap into that energized base!

[RandomUser]

22. I think

a good scenario would be for Clark to win the nomination, pick someone other than Dean, and hire Trippi to meld the two grassroots together. I'm not sure how plausible this would be, but it would be the optimal scenario, in my opinion.

Clark needs Trippi and the activists a lot more than he needs Dean. While Clark is a virtual necessity for Dean, Dean doesn't add much to the ticket for Clark.

[Petrodollar Warfare]

45. Excuse me, but the activists support Dean - not Trippi!

First, I am a proud Dean/Clark and Clark/Dean supporter, and I don't care about any of the other candidates in the race. I would not have bothered to post here except for your seemingly illogical reference that Trippi can bring the "activists" over to Clark? I know Trippi, I went to his house this summer and talked to him for an hour, almost 1 on 1, and I like him a lot. But Dean supporters support Dean based on his positions, often re Iraq, and not b/c he hired Joe Trippi to run his campaign.

In my opinion, both Dean and Clark need each other to win, and I don't care who is VP in that combo, but the activists didn't join up with Dean b/c of Joe Trippi, and to suggests that Dean supporters will follow Trippi like a puppy over to Clark is not exactly logical. Just thought you should consider that.

Like I mentioned in another post, I'd like a "Dean and/Or Clark for President" bumper-sticker. I'm in the anyone but Bush group, and I can not vote for any Dem who voted in favor of the Iraq resolution.

Bottom line, Dean needs Clark's national security gravitas, but Clark needs Dean's money, energy and on the ground organization. Had Clark started campaigning hard in March 2003 as soon as the war started, he could be sitting where Dean is now, but Clark simply started too late to catch up. I think Dean can win the Dem nomination, but maybe not the General election. I think Clark can not win the Dem nomination due to his late start, but could win the General Election. It's a catch 22, but the strengths and weaknesses of each man cancel out when they are added together. The solution, a Clark/Dean or more likely Dean/Clark combo can win it all. IMO - that would be optimal.

[RandomUser]

52. Exactly

Clark needs Dean's money, energy and on the ground organization.

I agree. That is what Clark needs, not Dean the candidate. Dean's campaign is worth a lot more than Dean.

And choosing Dean has an opportunity cost, meaning Clark won't get a VP who brings a swing state or has legislative experience.

And as I've stated, the scenario of getting Trippi and the activists without Dean is of questionable plausibility. But it would be the best of both worlds.

[Dr Satan]

10. Powell or McCain

all 3 are the same.

[ajacobson]

11. Much like

all your posts are the same.
:boring:

[AmericanDem]

16. n/t

n/t

[Renew Deal]

28. Get over it already.

You are going to be one of those people banging your head against the wall in a padded cell yellin: BUT CLARK IS A REPUBLICAN.

:nopity:

[RandomUser]

43. Too funny

:)

[Blue_Chill]

12. Dean

But a VP debate between Mr. Burns....er I mean Cheney and DK would be hilarious.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Clark

needs a policy wonk that's been inside of Washington and knows how to play the game. Keeping that in mind, I'd say:

I have to think about it some more....

[faithfulcitizen]

73. many Clarkies like...

Bob Graham, Bill Richardson, or Joe Biden :)

Edwards used to be on that list, until, well, Hugh Shelton's "advisorship" became known... :grr:

Personally, i like Graham, most in line with Clark, great experience

[MariaS]

14. Good VP Choice

Russ Feingold would be a good choice in my opinion.

Maria

[returnable]

18. Excellent choice!

:toast:

[RandomUser]

44. Interesting choice

I don't know much about him, but I really like his campaign reform stuff. And he's got the legislative experience that's a must for Clark's VP.

[Donna Zen]

51. I love that man!!!!

BTW, Richardson has already told the press he is staying where he is. Can't say as I blame him.

A VP presides over the Senate, and must be able to use persuasive means to shepherd legislation through Congress.Today they have increased their role within the administration by having a strong interest that they can assume and pursue.

In an election, they just need to bring interest groups and hopefully a state or three.

What about Cantwell?

[_NorCal_D_]

54. Yes

Wasn't Feingold the only Senator to vote against the 'patriot' act?

[returnable]

84. Yes, yes he was n/t

[RobertSeattle]

15. ND Senator Kent

"Clark Kent 2004". Get it? That ticket will get an million extra votes just because of all the dummies in the US - "I'm voting for Superman".

:evilgrin:

[MariaS]

26. Too Funny

but sad too when I think about how right you are about the dummies who would vote because of that alone.

[Renew Deal]

31. Does ND get us enough delegates.

The dummy vote is crucial. (Not saying that North Dakotans are dummies.)

[KittyWampus]

17. Dick Durbin

:)

[Mattforclark]

19. Very

Interesting. I hadn't really thought of him. Think think think. Hmmm :)

[creativelcro]

20. CLARK is my VP choice for Dean

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[creativelcro]

30. Clark would be a fantastic VP, I fully support him

[RandomUser]

35. Clark is not running for VP.

Traditionally, saying someone is "running for VP" is used to marginalize them. And I see that being done here. Clark is running for President, in case you forgot. If he wanted VP, he wouldn't have run, since he had a pretty good shot at that already. And considering Clark as a VP is a way to hobble his candidacy, and definitely not nice in a thread where DU'ers are trying to find VPs for Clark.

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[creativelcro]

42. stop swearing man

I'm not a Dean supporter, I just see Clark being VP as the only way it woudl work with Clark... I have not made up my mind about who I'm gonna vote for...

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[Renew Deal]

32. That's not nice n/t

[AmericanDem]

34. yes it is

that isnt who i addressed this thread too. Look at it its been spammed everywhere. Mods have been told

[RetroLounge]

78. Mods have been told? Wow!

Welcome to DU and Threadjack central...

:)

[RandomUser]

25. Clark is my VP choice for Dean. But Dean is not my VP choice for Clark.

Each candidate has different needs.

[Racenut20]

21. Durbin would get my vote

[Think Globally]

24. Clark/Cheney would be about right.

[Renew Deal]

27. Richardson, Dean, Kucinich, maybe Gep.

But I think there are plenty of good people I am forgetting.

[Snow]

29. Probably overkill, but Cleland......

I'm not really a supporter of anyone in particular other than negative dubya, though....we've really got an excellent selection, IMHO.

[ohiosmith]

33. Clark/Clinton-unbeatable

[RandomUser]

37. too divisive

I think Hillary needs time to marinate and let the negative associations pale a bit. Right now, having her as VP would rally the republicans to come out and vote against her. Not a good idea.

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. Kucinich or Bob Graham. n/t

[usregimechange]

39. Dean or a female n/t

[IranianDemocrat]

40. Dean

.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

41. If Clark Gets the Nod, He Will Be Forced to Pick Dean as VP

Anything less would probably split the party and disillusion many activists.

It's a pretty good fit, anyway.

DTH

[KittyWampus]

56. What About The Activists Supporting Dennis?

Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt, Sharpton, Carol M-B and I suppose Lieberman?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

59. Do You Dispute Dean Has the Most Activists?

IMO, he clearly does.

Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards and even (gasp) Lieberman are true-blue Dems and will all support the nominee. Although perhaps Edwards could be promised AG, and Gephardt Labor (Kerry and Lieberman will still be in the Senate).

I think Kucinich is a true-blue Dem and will also support the nominee, although some (SOME, not all) of his most ardent supporters will likely go third party, but I think that'll be true whether the nominee is Clark, Dean, Kerry or whoever.

Sharpton and Mosely-Braun will also support the nominee, that is clear from their statements. The degree of their support will depend on both their relationships with the nominee and that nominee's strength on issues of interest to them and their communities. And I still love the idea of Sharpton as Press Secretary and Mosely-Braun as a key ambassador.

Oh, and definitely Graham for Homeland Security.

DTH

[KittyWampus]

61. Primaries Haven't Happened Yet. How Can We Know Who's Got More Support?

Isn't it a little early yet. Seems we should wait til after the primaries to find out who has the most supporters.

And if Clark has the most supporters/delegates- then he wins.

Since when is it a "rule" that the candidate with the 2nd most automatically gets VP?

If you were to add together the support of the other candidates besides Dean... you'll see VERY LITTLE support of Dean overall.

So why should he EXPECT the VP slot?

What about the majority of Democrats who DON'T support Dean.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

63. Look, the Parameters of This Thread

Which I'm operating under, are that Clark wins the nomination.

While it's true that the primaries haven't even happened yet, I ask you again, do you SERIOUSLY dispute that Dean has the most activists? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that's going to change materially for any other candidate except MAYBE Clark in the next two months?

Like him or not, Dean has revolutionized campaigns. He has a very strong machine and lots of cash and volunteers. His organization is a big plus.

As for the people who don't like Dean, while I suspect there are some Dems who WILL NOT vote for Dean if he's the President, I think that they'll be less doctrinaire if he's "merely" VP.

DTH

[KittyWampus]

64. If You Add Together All The Other Activists

Dean is in the minority...

So why is everyone else (the majority who don't favor Dean) chopped liver?

PS- no , i don't deny dean has a lot of supporters.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

65. Look, I Like Your Posts, and I Really Don't Want to Sound Patronizing

But isn't this a rather obvious question?

There's only ONE VP slot. It's not "VP by Committee."

If you have to pick one VP who will deliver the most activists, it's Dean. And it will almost certainly still be Dean six months from now.

As for the rest of the field, it's as I said, most of them are true-blue Dems who will endorse (enthusiastically, IMO) the ultimate nominee.

The biggest loose cannon in this respect among the major candidates is, IMO, Dean. So picking him as VP also neutralizes that possibility. While this may be an example of rewarding potentially bad behavior, that's politics for you. It's certainly not a game for purists or the faint-of-heart.

DTH

[paulk]

68. electoral votes will trump activists

Dean brings four electoral votes with Vermont. Dean as VP to Clark makes no sense. It ain't gonna happen, activists or no.

Clark will need someone from Congress, probably the Senate, preferably from a swing state. As a Washington outsider, he will need someone to help him work inside Washington.

Dean isn't that person.

[KittyWampus]

79. What Do I Know Anyway...

I'll just try to express myself once more and then bow out- acknowledging that you have a VERY valid point.

There MIGHT be other Dems who'd bring more to the table than Dean.

True Dean has 20% of the Democratic base but that leaves 80% he doesn't have.

Why pander to that 20% when it represents less than a quater of the entire base?

Perhaps... PERHAPS... the fair thing to do would be reach out to a congresscritter who isn't even in the race at all.

Like Graham or Durbin.... of course they are only cockroaches....

[_NorCal_D_]

46. Kucinich

B-)

[ElementaryPenguin]

47. Dean

eom

[SeveneightyWhoa]

48. Here are my favorites:

Clark/Dean
Clark/Kerry
Clark/Edwards
Clark/Gephardt
Clark/Cleland

any of those would work..but I'm leaning towards Dean or Kerry as the VP.

[Lady President]

49. Clark/Gephardt or Clark/Graham

I'm not a Clark supporter, but he's in my top tier, so I'll throw in my two cents.

The weakness that Rove will exploit with Clark is his lack of political experience. The best way to counter is to put someone with a long career in politics into the VP spot. I think Clark/Gephardt would be a very solid ticket.

On the other hand Clark/Dean or Dean/Clark would be one of the worst possible scenarios. I think a General or a Govenor could win, but they absolutely must be balanced with someone with federal government experience.

[Bonobo]

53. Clark/Dean!

That way we keep the "democratic wing"... although I think that is bullshit rhetoric.

[elfin]

57. Bill Richardson

Smart, experienced, Hispanic

[eagler]

58. clark/kerry

nt

[mmonk]

60. Clark/Graham or Clark/Dean

[VOX]

62. Edwards.

Edwards would complement Clark in so many positive ways. These men are articulate, warm, excellent speakers, and they can communicate a message with the best of them. Their combined experience on the foreign and domestic fronts would be quite potent. They would have the power to catch the attention and the hearts of the fence-sitters and independents.

A Clark-Edwards ticket would be somthing to be reckoned with -- attempts by the right-wing press to marginalize these guys would probably ring hollow and fall flat.

[Kathleen04]

66. Agreed.

I like the idea of Clark/Edwards also. Some people are saying that Edwards "doesn't have enough experience", etc. After 8 years of experience in the White House as VP, think of how great of a President he would be. Plus, he brings his experience in the Senate to the ticket. With 2 Southerners, we should be able to pull in at least their home states and those perhaps more.

A Clark/Dean ticket doesn't bring much in geographically and would leave no connections to Washington. I think that the majority of Dean's supporter's will support the nominee whether Dean's on the ticket or not. However, he does bring his grassroots campaign and fundraising abilities with him. I think that it would be more of an advantage for Dean to add Clark to HIS ticket, rather than vice-versa.

So, if Clark got the nod, I'd be wanting Edwards as VP.

[Justice]

67. Richardson

Although he said he wanted to stay in NM.

[John_H]

69. Hillary or Fiengold

[Barbara917]

70. Wesley Clark/Ann Richards

If only Clark would ask her.....And if only Ann would......

I can dream can't I?

Clark/Graham might be good.....

[Field Of Dreams]

71. Graham or Edwards

n/t

[Phelan]

72. Edwards

People saying Kucinich need to get examined...
And if he thinks he is a viable candidate for office, he does too.

[Ksec]

74. Id say Kucinich

Hes a great politician and I know once America has a chance to get to hear him his popularity would jump. This would also cover all bases as far as ideologies.

[MoonRiver]

75. I like Clark/Richardson.

Hadn't thought of that combo before. Clark/Graham is also a winning ticket. One thing I know though is that the General will pick the absolutely best choice possible. We'll probably all be surprised.

[Ksec]

76. Graham would help win Fla.

Thats true. A good choice

[MoonRiver]

80. Yes, we probably already have NM in the bag.

I really like Graham too. He's tried to sound the alarms about Bush*'s 9/11 cover-ups. I've always wondered just how much he actually knows, or at least strongly suspects.

[1songbird]

77. Clark/Gephardt or Clark/Graham

[retyred]

81. ABB

Anyone But Brush!


retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
read the book

[AmericanDem]

83. I came away knowing more...

about fellow Clark supporters with this thread. Except for the jugheads that spammed it, this was interesting to me. Thanks