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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:15 PM
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So I did my Sidney Blumenthal interview this afternoon...
Am transcribing now. Here's a taste.

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WRP: Your book 'The Clinton Wars' was highly critical of the mainstream news media across a broad spectrum, specifically dealing with the mayhem surrounding the Clinton 'scandals' and subsequent impeachment. It's been a few years since all that ended. What do you think of the quality of the mainstream news media today?

SB: Recently, there has been some recovery on the part of elements of some major news organizations, but for the most part, the passivity of much of the press is consistent with the rote hostility it showed towards Clinton, and the gullibility it demonstrated in propagating the psuedoscandals and scurrilous stories that were generated on the fringes of the extreme right and then massaged by the Republican Party. The press showed itself all too frequently to be manipulated, to become an instrument, even an arm, of repressive parts of the government. One has to remember that the Independent Counsel, Ken Starr, was the government. The idea that reporters doing his bidding somehow were acting as brave, independent characters in the tradition of intrepid reporters who have uncovered serious crimes against public office in the past is ludicrous.

Right now, the Republicans and the Bush administration are putting out the line that there is progress being made in Iraq, and that things are much better there than what is being depicted in the media. The media has gone out of its way to show what it considers progress. But what if the opposite is true? What if, in fact, the reality on the ground in Iraq is far worse than anyone thinks, in terms of being able to put together a long-term, stable situation that can lead to anything resembling a state, much less a democracy? What if it is not working out at all? Why should the press decide to follow the administration’s lead on this sort of thing? Why doesn’t it follow its own instincts and simply report facts, and let the facts stand on their own merit?

The press bears a great deal of responsibility in the common depiction of George W. Bush, in building up his image, which, as it has been projected, bears very little resemblance to how he performs as President. He was depicted as decisive, in command, somebody who completely grasped and was in synch with the needs of the difficult moment the country faced on September 11. In fact, he is manipulated by his staff, buffeted by the neoconservatives inside his administration, kept from important information, unknowledgeable about so much information, makes decisions on the most simplistic basis, never carries through on his own policies such as the Roadmap to Peace in the Middle East, operates in a closed, small circle, doesn’t seek out information independently, has fostered internecine warfare within the National Security apparatus between the intelligence agencies – including the CIA – and the Defense Department and the National Security Council.

What kind of President is that? The picture that appears in Bob Woodward’s fantastical book ‘Bush at War,’ which includes reporting that is totally at odds with the image of Bush that Woodward swallows, has done enormous mischief, and really is the basis and the foundation stone of what remains of the public esteem for Bush. If it were not for this image of Bush, which grows out of the exploitation of 9/11 and the lies surrounding the buildup to the Iraq war, and the compliance of much of the press corps, Bush would have nothing to stand on. The public actually disapproves of all the consequences of his actions, and yet it has a picture of him that is dissonant with the kind of President who would bring about those actions. Why does the public have that picture, and what is the press doing about it? The press has a lot to answer for.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:20 PM
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1. Good stuff. I just now started reading Clinton Wars
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:21 PM
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2. Wowsa!
Ask a question....this ought to be a good 'un
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:27 PM
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3. I'm just finishing the book
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 07:28 PM by kskiska
His writing is beautiful and fully captures the mood of the impeachment debacle, and exposes the absolute hatred and vile agenda of the right wingnuts.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:37 PM
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4. The American media indeed has a lot to answer for...
...but no process or person exists in a position of power able to expose their duplicity.

- Most politicians on the Left are too afraid to confront them in fear they will become a target. They know the New Corporate Media has the ability to make or break them.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:53 PM
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5. Literate!
What was he holding back? Just foolin'.

SB diction is to die for. More...I need my fix of the literate. To think, he worked for we the people at one time.

Are you saving the best parts?

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:01 AM
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22. The reeeeeeeeeeeeeally good stuff
you're gonna have to wait for. :)
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 07:58 PM
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6. Blumenthal is an amazing man.
This "snippet" was fantastic. Can't wait to read the full interview.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 08:14 PM
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7. This is going to be one tough presidential campaign. How do you fight
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 08:15 PM by AP
a media like that? And isn't it crazy that the guy who RUNS the WashPost is the author of a crazy book perpetuating a lie about Bush.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 08:32 PM
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9. Woodward is still feeling all warm and fuzzy from his nickname
Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 08:33 PM by Military Brat
bush greeted him at first meeting with a rousing, "Hello, Woody!" What is it with bush and nicknames, anyway?

SB is one of the best and the brightest. The Clinton Wars is tough reading because every few pages I'd have to eat another Pepto-Bismol tablet or else "lose my lunch," finally realizing the depth of depravity and desperation the RW faction inflicted on Clinton. Jeeez. I was sort of noncommittal towards the Clintons until I read that book, but I have a newfound respect for anyone who can live through that and still maintain such grace under pressure.

Edit misspelling
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 08:35 PM
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10. Woodward is a Bush loyalist. He was "placed" at the WP by Poppy
and I have no doubt that Poppy is Deep Throat. Bush needed Nixon to go down to save the party and set up his 1980 run for president.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 08:42 PM
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12. I believe that Poppy is Deep Throat too.
The University of Texas bought Woodward and Bernstein's notes and are refusing to divulge Deep Throat's identity.

I believe that James Baker's a trustee, and there might be a Bush or two as trustees as well.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:15 PM
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20. Here's quite a bit more information on Woodward...
I had not yet put those pieces together in regards to Bush and Woodward. That's a VERY interesting line of thought.

Bob Woodward
<http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr196-woodward.html>

Excerpt:

"By 1968, Woodward ran the ship's radio team. In 1969, Woodward was awarded the Navy Commendation Medal for his communications work. From there, Woodward moved on to a Pentagon assignment, a job that included briefing top officers in the government. Admiral Thomas Moorer and former secretary of defense Melvin Laird are both on record noting that Woodward briefed Al Haig at the White House during this period. What is suspicious is Woodward's semi-admittance to Hougan that he had done some briefing, and his complete denial to Colodny and Gettlin that he had ever briefed anyone at the White House. Havill notes:

'Considering the evidence, Bob Woodward's denial more strongly suggests intelligence than it does his uninvolvement in White House briefings.'

Woodward's secrecy about his past, his choice of associates, and what is known of his activities caused Havill to write:

'The question, then, begs itself once more. Was Bob Woodward ever a free-lance or retained Central Intelligence Agency liaison officer, informant or operative . . . ? This author got various forms of affirmative opinions from intelligence experts. It would explain his assignment to the Wright and his misleading statements to interviewers. It would make understandable his being able to get out of going to Vietnam in 1968, his extension for an additional year at the Pentagon, his being chosen to brief at the White House and his denials as well. It would also help explain his subsequent high-level friendships with leaders of the U.S. military and the CIA.'

It would also explain the role Woodward and Bernstein wittingly or unwittingly played in keeping the CIA's nose clean while making sure the world saw the President's nose was dirty.



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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 08:31 PM
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8. Blumenthal is an unusually engaging person
with a keen grasp of facts and the unique ability to translate abstraction into clear terms.

You've done a lovely job with this, Will.

-Anyone read Woodward's book...?
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 08:38 PM
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11. ZombyKickDeluxe
I need to get more familiar with this guy! I felt little Chomskyesque echoes, albeit closer to the mainstream Left, and that's fine by me.

I know exactly what he speaks of here:

The press bears a great deal of responsibility in the common depiction of George W. Bush, in building up his image, which, as it has been projected, bears very little resemblance to how he performs as President. He was depicted as decisive, in command, somebody who completely grasped and was in synch with the needs of the difficult moment the country faced on September 11.

Luckily, my local paper up north is less fawning, but I picked up a Phoenix paper today, and it pretty much gives him this kind of coverage, and not just in their puke-inducing editorials. The headline today was how he is going to come into town tomorrow and be basking in victory over the Medicare bill, and how he is leading us through "epic times" with "bold and decisive leadership". THIS WAS "REPORTING", mind you. Even Riefenstahler was more subtle in her filmic depictions. :puke:

Great job, brother. Thanks for sharing.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 08:54 PM
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13. "The press has a lot to answer for." Yes, but will they ever be
held accountable? I honestly believe that they are traitors. They are purposely keeping the truth from the American people. What else could you call them?
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 09:04 PM
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14. okay sid, now tell us something we dont already know
glad you got the interview, will. it helps your career.

BTW did you see CNN today after judith woodward mentioned the medicare bill without mentioning that the bill contained a portion that prevented the govt from negotiating drug prices, the station broke to a commerical for of course..........pharmacueticals.

that's the problem, as chomsky points out, that the only real customers the media intends to satisfy are commerical sponsors.

that's why both woodwards can get away with mis-stating the truth.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 10:23 PM
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15. Amen!
The press has a LOT to answer for. The bastids.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 10:33 PM
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16. Thanks for the peek.
Looks like it will be an interesting and informative interview after you get it together.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:00 PM
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17. very interesting
I'm sure Clinton must be silently seething somewhere looking at the press coverage that Bush gets compared to what he got.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:08 PM
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18. Excellent interview, Will...SB comes across in your interview as an...
...incredibly astute individual. I might have to find a copy of his book sometime soon.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:10 PM
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19. Do yourself a favor and buy it.
It's one of the best political books of the year, maybe the best.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 11:59 PM
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21. Can't wait to read the rest.
:bounce:
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:06 AM
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23. I had a really nice discussion with Blumenthal's mother at a Dean event
(actually it was a birthday bash at a friend's home) and she's backing Dean all the way. That's nice but not anything to write home about (or to go slightly OT in a Will Pitt thread about). The REALLY interesting thing is that Sidney told her to support Dean because he's the guy that's going to win!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:08 AM
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24. Interesting
I pointedly asked him about the candidates, and he refused to say who he was for, if anyone. His one piece of advice was to tell the candidates to stop "nipping at each other's heels." Take that for what it's worth.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:15 AM
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27. I thought it was very interesting too, Will.
Mom's a very bright '80 year old who's still working as a real estate agent. I'd never met her before so she had no reason to tell me ... she just volunteered it. She also mentioned that several other folks from the Clinton WH are quietly rooting for Dean as well. I was stunned, actually.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:12 AM
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25. Scathing...
He was depicted as decisive, in command, somebody who completely grasped and was in synch with the needs of the difficult moment the country faced on September 11. In fact, he is manipulated by his staff, buffeted by the neoconservatives inside his administration, kept from important information, unknowledgeable about so much information, makes decisions on the most simplistic basis, never carries through on his own policies such as the Roadmap to Peace in the Middle East, operates in a closed, small circle, doesn’t seek out information independently, has fostered internecine warfare within the National Security apparatus between the intelligence agencies – including the CIA – and the Defense Department and the National Security Council.

Touch 'em all, Sidney. That one's not coming back.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:13 AM
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26. Pretty much why I posted this segment
That is the torch. More to come.
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