Dem to vote for GWB because of abortion

[funkyflathead]

I know this woman who is 55 years old. She is rabidly pro life though to the point of excluding the other issues.

Weird thing is she considers herself a Dem, IS a registered Dem and refuses to change to repuke.

However she said she couldn't vote for a candidate that supports abortion.

She lives down the road from me. Nice lady but a little kooky if you ask me.


Just a FYI. This is in NC.

[Pale Blue Dot]

1. Change your thread title

to the more appropriate: "Dem to vote for GWB because she is a f*cking idiot."

[Avalux]

2. LOL

Unfortunately, this woman has her head up her ass. AND, unfortunately, a lot of women will vote for shrub for that reason (ughhhhh).

[liberalnurse]

3. I think her vote for *bush is a delusional one.

He will continue to play the bait and switch or talk out of both sides of his mouth...She will be disappointed as abortion is here for a long while. The repukes only modified the abortion technique; one that is rarely used.....In Ohio, they still do 24 weeks gestation per D&E technique.

Thats the big showing the repukes are going to use as a banner. They will blame the dem's for abortion continuance and argue they tried. Honestly, they don't want all those poor babies to pay for....they could care less. They do want to give the false impression that they do......

[Blue_Chill]

4. Tell her that the Right Wing will never outlaw abortion

because if it was off the table they wouldn't win another election for decades.

[Cleita]

5. Tell her we think that the apendectomy that one of his

daughters had was an abortion. Maybe if she sees him for the hypocrite that he is she'll reconsider.

[Virginian]

17. That was what I thought, too.

Maybe it was because I remember the book "Peyton Place."
But when Jenna went in to have an emergency apendectomy on Christmas night 2000 and that family values father of hers went fishing instead of worrying over his daughter, I thought something was fishy.

The next day he said she could go home and clean her room or join them in Florida. That sounded more like a Dad who was angry at his daughter. There was no compassion, concern or sympathy for his child.

Speculation:
I think she came home for Christmas thinking she and a boyfriend could get married if she was already pregnant. She thought she had her father over a barrel, he would have to allow it. He said "I'm not having the Merican people countin' months. You are not gonna have any baby." Then he made a few phone calls and told her he'd found a doctor who was going to take care of everything. "Go get your coat on, we're leaving now." He made sure the deed was done then left for Florida.

[dsc]

6. They way pro lifers get treated here

it is a miracle that others don't do the exact same thing. I realize that her point of view is alien to yours but it does exist. And it would be nice if instead of calling her names people might try thinking of what to do about this problem. 1 out of 4 Democratic House members are pro life. That is more than the number of African American Democratic house members. We might want to think about that.

[JohnKleeb]

9. 1-4 is that right?

Wow I didnt know that. I really don't know what to do about this problem honestly, my grandparents are pro life and as democratic as they come.

[dsc]

10. That was from an article posted on DU1 several times

and referred to the 2000 House. I have no idea if that is the ratio now or not.

[JohnKleeb]

12. Ok thanks though dsc, I appreciate it

I wish people wouldn't vote republican over this, my grandparents thank god are and always have been wise enough not to fall for this, they hate the GOP as much as your average DUer :), they do tend to unlike us be more conservative on the social issues but pretty liberal on economics, and dovish more so than hawkish on foreign policy.

[dsc]

14. I tried to find the article but can't

I do know that some of the more prominate pro life Dems aren't in the House anymore or aren't pro life any more. David Bonior, and Tony Hall have retired while Kucinich isn't pro life. So the numbers may be less now. I don't know the solution but I have to say some respect would be nice. Our party has gone off the deep end. You can't continually totally dis a group and expect it to vote for you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. So it's easier to get the dough for that perspective than it is for

the African American community to raise money for their candidates.

I really think they are not pro-life if they are restricting abortions. They are simply making abortions unsafe.

It simply shows to what lengths the anti- abortion crowd will go to to keep this issue trumping all other issues.

[FredScuttle]

16. Thought about it...

pro-lifers got nothin' to say to me and I don't have anything to say to them.

[Alenne]

20. Easy solution to that problem

Let women make the decision that is best for them.

[1songbird]

7. It is absolutely foolish

to pick a candidate based on whether or not they support abortion. The Repugs are not going to ban abortion and give up their juicy wedge issue. Even this late-term abortion bill that Bush signed is a phony. Repugs knew that this bill would be overturned by the courts because the bill bans abortion even in the case of the mother's life being at stake. This is absolutely ridiculous and outrageous and they knew the court would throw it out. It does however give them photo-ops that they can show to people like your neighbor. Tell her that she's being played.

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. Tell Mrs "Pro Life" that there would be...

400 US troops, thousands of Iraqis and about 2700 people in NYC alive today if her so called "pro Life" pResident wasn't appointed by the Felonious Five. :grr:

[Blue_Roses]

11. NOBODY SUPPORTS abortion, however,

MANY support CHOICE. It's not her place to tell someone what to do with their body. She needs to more concerned with medicare and how it WILL affect her. To continue to support a candidate on a MORAL view is not going to helf them get the help they will need down the road--and at 55--the road is getting shorter.

Geeze...don't these people get it. GW doesn't care about abortion, he cares about money.

[Indiana_Dem]

13. Bush is on the conservative side of pro-choice....

because the Republican party platform abortion stance 100% pro-life, no exceptions. Bush on his 2000 campaign platform was quoted as saying he opposed abortion except in cases of rape, incest or threat of life to mother. Both Gore and Bush supported the partial-birth abortion ban. i just looked it up the other day. Either you're 100% pro-life or you vary from liberal to conservative on the pro-choice side. All Bush does is smokescreen his position. Heck his grandfather helped support the foundations of Planned Parenthood, if you read the Bush family history anywhere. Maybe its not true because I read it on the internet but that's what i read.

[fujiyama]

19. I wouldn't be

completely suprised to find that Prescott Bush, although having traded with the Nazis, supported Planned Parenthood. He did have a relatively moderate social record (I also heard he supported civil rights legislation).

What's especially important for us to figure out, is how Bush was able to con people into believing he was a moderate. There were some exit polls I remember, that showed more people thought Gore was too far to the left, than Bush was to the right.

This was obviously complete BS, because Gore was hardly a flaming liberal (though he seems to have taken some liberal stances nowadays).

This is a matter of tone and rhetoric. I think Clinton was definetely able to play these "wedge" issues better than Gore was. Clinton didn't really mention abortion that often. He didn't really mention abortion or gun control very much, though him and Gore had very similar positions on those issues.

Anti-Choice people are very often strong in their beliefs and we should respect their belief that abortion is wrong, but we definetely don't need to agree with the idea of banning it (in fact I don't even agree with the "partial birth" abortion ban). We simply should agree that abortion is not a "good" thing, but it's simply a matter of freedom...for a woman to decide what to do with their bodies.

And I would let them know Bush's statements regarding abortion, such as the one where he said the national culture wasn't ready yet to ban abortion. See, even he's admitted, it's impossible to ban it, whether or not the loony wants to or not.

[loyalsister]

18. At least as bad.....

is the woman I know whose friend died from an illegal abortion back in the day. (YES it really happened\would happen!!!) She is very definitely pro-choice, yet, she votes for the Republicans. It's over money and the absurd perception that they are on the moral high ground. Warped all around. Seems like selling out her friend's memory to me. I can't even discuss it with her.