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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 03:09 AM
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Mother Earth & all of the creatures in the forest endorse Kucinich
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 03:10 AM
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1. dupe
I am betting this will turn in to same thing it did in the lounge, sigh oh well.
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theoceansnerves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 03:20 AM
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2. hmm?
what happened in the lounge? i think this is funny/cute.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 03:22 AM
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3. ah its trival
and people overhyped it, when there's much more important stuff with Kucinich going such as *subtle cough* cosponsoring an important bill on electronic voting. Sorry, I've kinda had a rough day, and I think there's much important. Yeah I think its kinda funny too but it was already in the lounge.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 05:57 AM
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4. Just so you know John
While I am a Deanie I like Kucinich, alot. Far and away the bulk of my political efforts are party building as opposed to a candidate. It is my long term goal to help move this country in the direction so that, hopefully, in my children's lifetimes, this nation will be more than ready for a President Kucinich.

Personally I think Dean is a good start.

Oh, BTW, the Kucinich supporters here in my area are some of the nicest folks I ever met. Considering there are groups fro three candidates (Dean being one) it says a lot that Kucinich is one. I won't mention the other but right out of the gate they've tried some underhanded methods.

The Kucinich folks are like a breath of fresh air after that debacle. You remind me of 'em. :hi:

Julie
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:25 AM
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6. I understand, sorry Ive been having a rough time
as of late but thanks. I dont know what my problem is. The reasons why I hear he is unelectable are what get me going :wtf: and :(, like can he help he is short, or his ethnic name and btw to me being somewhat ethnic myself thats cool with me. Sigh superficality. I hate it.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 07:18 AM
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5. go DK!
truly a couple of endorsement to covet and be proud of. :)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:28 AM
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7. Last time we spoke, Mother Earth wanted Clark.
here's why:

League of Conservation Voters Questionnaire
http://www.enviros4clark.com/lcv.shtml

Wesley Clark: The Best Environmental Candidate for President in 2004!
http://www.enviros4clark.com/best.shtml
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:34 AM
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8. lol. "I talk to God all the time, and no offense,
but He never mentioned you."

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:48 AM
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11. That's cuz I talk to mother Earth... different mythologies
We should have my Gods meet your God, mebbe? ;-)
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:36 PM
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16. It's a line from "Laydyhawke"
She still doesn't get a vote.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:35 AM
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9. Of course the problem is...
... none of them get a vote.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:37 AM
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10. Isn't that cute?
So many people are so desperate for real change.

Too bad, though... millions more are already signed up to capitulate to the 'system', and support the 'electable' candidates. Pity.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:51 AM
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12. Electable doesn't eclude being THE BEST - happen to be the same
Do not assume I settled down. As it happens, I have never been inspired by a leader the way Clark inspires me. So, I won't accept any talking down from you more that I took it in 2000 from the "oh so pure ones".
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:11 PM
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15. Such a common error...
I wasn't addressing you, obviously. You think Clark is the best, and has the best policies and plans. Fine.

I'm talking about the others, who openly admit they prefer Kucinich's policies and plans (and RECORD, most importantly), yet still opt to support more media-friendly, corporate-friendly, or good-looking (heh) candidates.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:40 PM
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18. are you refering to Nader?
"oh so pure ones".
You so funny, I supported Gore from the gitko to the end.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:10 PM
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13. Since we have a hijack in progress, here are some links
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 12:14 PM by redqueen
which show that Kucinich is the real deal. :-)

http://www.lcv.org/Campaigns/Campaigns.cfm?ID=1601&c=4
General Statements

http://www.lcv.org/Campaigns/Campaigns.cfm?ID=1796&c=4
Energy Statements

http://www.lcv.org/Campaigns/Campaigns.cfm?ID=1797&c=4
Clean Air and Water

http://www.gristmagazine.com/maindish/kucinich101503.asp
Grist Magazine Interview
No sound bites from well crafted speeches here!

Grist: Is this philosophy of interconnection at the root of your progressive platform? You are known as the progressive Democratic candidate. Can you elaborate on what makes you more environmentally progressive than other candidates?

Kucinich: I'm not tied to any corporate interests that would strip our forests, that would pollute our air or water. Throughout my career, I have worked for structures of law that protect the environment, and the principles that animate my campaign are principles of sustainability. The principles that animate my life are principles of sustainability.

Grist: It sounds like you are referring to a broad, far-reaching notion of sustainability -- not just in terms of the environment, but in terms of econ--

Kucinich: Everything. In terms of everything. You know, monopolies are not sustainable economically. A full-employment economy is sustainable. Health care for all -- that's sustainable. Taking the profit out of health care creates sustainable health systems. Preventive health care, complementary and alternative medicines a sustainable approach to health care. And universal education from pre-k all the way through college is a sustainable approach toward education. A qualitative approach to education is sustainable, as opposed to quantitative, which is based on test-taking.

Grist: So you want to apply the principles of sustainability we associate with environmentalism to an all-encompassing political model?

Kucinich: Yes. Sustainability is a principle that must infuse our whole approach to life. And the environmental movement is the path toward that. It's the key to understanding that the Earth and the air and the water provide the precondition for life. Life cannot exist without that. So we need to organize our structures of governance in a way that helps support basic principles for the furtherance of life on this planet. And when there is a collision between those values that support life and economic practices, the economic practices must always yield to protect the environment.

Grist: That's a very strong statement. Many environmentalists, and certainly most politicians, believe that there have to be tradeoffs between environmental and economic concerns. The Bush administration has led us to believe that these two goals of growing the economy and protecting the environment are radically incompatible. That's untrue, but still, you can't deny that big business at large fundamentally does not like environmental regulations. How would you balance these issues as president, knowing that you can't fully antagonize big business?

Kucinich: Well, wait a minute, you have to have enforcement of air and the water. Many big businesses are not using sustainability, we have to show big business where can make money by being sustainable. That's where the profits are in the future. You know, the thinking of the future shows that you can make money from clean air and clean water -- improve productivity. And we have to recognize that air pollution and water pollution find some sort of transfer of wealth away from the people of the country toward corporations. That's not fair and that's not just. So I intend to challenge that thinking and lead America to new thinking on sustainability.

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Emphasis added by me. Go Kooch!
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:11 PM
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14. sure, but where do the Elves stand?
I heard Gephardt was leading amongst unicorns.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:39 PM
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17. Elves are animals since when?
:shrug: a memo to the people who poke fun of Kucinich's looks, I imagine youre like the beautiful person on earth ;) and can we get a little more creative than elf or gnome? Just being a wiseass, dont take it personally.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:48 PM
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19. I'm just being a wiseass, too
actually I didn't think about the looks comparison when I wrote that, so no genuine offense intended.

Peace and unity,
northernsoul
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