The Strange Death of the Woman Who Filed a Rape Lawsuit Against Bush

[FlaGranny]

Has anyone seen this? I apologize if it is a dupe. I checked, but didn't see anything.

"I can really understand media members being intimidated, even frightened, of the Bush administration. As I've detailed before, these are not Boy Scouts running the show. The Schoedinger death is just the latest in a string of strange ones surrounding the Bush family - Bush biographer J.H. Hatfield, Sen. Paul Wellstone, Sen. Mel Carnahan, and others that are detailed on various sites, including at http://members.boardhost.com/gwbush/msg/362.html .

For the record, I contacted Bush's media office about Schoedinger and have yet to hear back. Now that I live in the Washington, D.C., area, I can go down to the White House in person and try to get someone to speak to me about this case. As expected, I haven't had much luck with the Fort Bend County and other Texas authorities. So maybe I'll stand outside the White House, holding a sign saying, "Who killed Margie Schoedinger?" and passing out copies of my column on the case. It would make about as much sense as anything else in this matter.

For all I know, maybe Schoedinger did kill herself. Maybe she dreamed up a lot of this stuff. But I don't know, am I "deranged" to think it's weird that in this mass-media, detailed-information age, so few people are even asking any questions about how a woman who filed a rape lawsuit against the president could be dead less than a year later?"

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

[Aries]

1. Shrub is also featured in this book with a similar theme

But Poppy plays a major role in it, as do various Democrats for that matter. Caveat emptor, of course...

http://www.trance-formation.com/NewMain.htm

"...TRANCE Formation of America is the first documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control. Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch operation. Tracing her path from child pornography and recruitment into the program to serving as a top-level intelligence agent and White House sex slave, TRANCE Formation of America is a definitive eye-witness account of government corruption that implicates some of the most prominent figures in U.S. politics...."

[Semi_subversive]

5. I started to read this

and had to run for the tin foil hat. Her insistance that she was used as a child sex toy by the likes of Gerald Ford, Pierre Trudeau, Sen. Byrd and other famous people (and only famous people) made her lose all credibility with me.

Edit: Started to read "Trance".

[Aries]

6. But there have been no lawsuits

by some of the entertainment types she mentions, who (I think) would be eligible to sue for libel as "non-public" figures if it were false. You're right, though, it is one of the strangest stories I've read.

[DemBones DemBones]

20. If you're famous, you could spend a lot of time and money suing

people for libel. That's why famous people don't sue over every strange story that's printed. And the people who write the stories know this so they continue writing them. It's big news when a famous person does sue.

[theivoryqueen]

2. This admin has scared me since 2000

and before, when as Governor, Bush pretty much shut down the Gov's mansion - a texas first - and ran the show however he saw fit.

[bif]

3. Check this site out for more lurid info

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1546689.php

[bearfartinthewoods]

4. it isn't a dupe...it's a quint

or whatever it is when something has been posted five times.

it's a sad case....somewhere in the other threads you can read a PDF file of her actual statement to the court. it's obvious she had severe mental difficulties. when the story first broke, there was a DUer who was also a journalist out of houston (i think). it took some doing but she dug up the details of this women's history and previous allegations she had made.

my brother has similar issues. in his case, he thinks the neighbors break into his place while he is gone and urinate on his computer.

we are sll sooooo lucky that the tiny little chemical imbalance that draws the line between reality and delusion is not an issue for us.

[FlaGranny]

7. Sorry, I've been on the boards every

day and didn't see it posted before.

Anyway, the point is, she may have been crazy, but read again the last paragraph. That is the point of the entire story - not whether these things were actually done to her.

Edit: Compare Clinton.

[KoKo]

8. Thanks for posting this again. It's another "oddity" about the Bush's so

it needs to be posted every so often. I read the original allegation about a year ago here on DU, and thought Shoedinger had some problems.

However since Neil Bush's nanny got run over by a car in a very bizarre accident, it does make one wonder about Shoedinger.

[FlaGranny]

9. Yes, I've seen the story of her lawsuit many

times, but this was the first I knew she was dead.

[9215]

10. i made the same mistake

It was Marvin Bush's nanny who ran herself over with a car.

[BringEmOn]

14. Christine?

Bush babysitter run over by Christine?

[jiacinto]

24. You sound ridiculous

If it's the same woman I'm thinking of her complaint was posted here months ago and it was clear that most of the claims in it were just not plausible.

[jiacinto]

11. This issue has been debunked

I saw copies of the lawsuit and it didn't sound like the woman was of sound mind.

[ibegurpard]

13. I would've thought so as well

Until she wound up dead. That doesn't seem slightly suspicious to you?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. If you were being hounded...

...by very powerful people with very bad reputations, and you had very little proof that it was actually happening, how sane would you sound? You're thinking about that lady just the way they want you to think.

Cliff Baxter of Enron was supposed to be depressed before his suicide, too.

And say...wasn't J. Hatfield, author of the unauthorized biography on Coke-n-Smoke, also a suicide?

I could go on, but it's late.

[jiacinto]

19. If it's the same woman I'm thinking of her complaint was posted at DU

months ago. And the way it was written, the claims she made, it just didn't sound plausible.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. Plausible or not, reporters that tried to talk with her in her last few...

...weeks found a woman who didn't want to talk with anyone, and appeared to be very frightened. Crazy people tend to rant and rave publicly about the things they feel are bothering them.

She may have launched the suit in hopes of getting whoever was after her to back away.

I've gotten to the point where I don't discount ANYTHING when it comes to the NeoCon Junta. These people are completely ruthless.

[jiacinto]

23. It was clear that this woman didn't have it together

I think people are jumping to conclusions.

[Minstrel Boy]

28. The people jumping to conclusions

are those who say it's clear there was absolutely nothing to the lawsuit.

What's evident from what I've read is she wasn't seeking publicity. The court document states she feared for her life, and that she was told she would be killed for implicating Bush.

As I said elsewhere, just because something is outrageous doesn't mean it's necessarily false. An accusation such as hers, made against, say, Uday Hussein, would have been swallowed unblinkingly by many Americans. There are very disturbing allegations about the Bush family, particularly George Sr and Jr, made independently and over a number of years. I'm not presuming they're all true, but neither will I disbelieve them simply because they're too horrible to believe.

[jiacinto]

30. It's not that I don't "believe them"

But beyond that woman's complaint I haven't seen anything to corroborate or to support her claims. You all are making the most absurd of claims before you even have the evidence to support it.

[Minstrel Boy]

31. I'm making no claims at all

other than this woman died before she could make hers.

[jiacinto]

32. Yeah

but at lof of people are jumping to unprovable claims.

[9215]

12. Any death associated with the BFEE is worthy of a second, or third look

thanks for reposting this.

[BringEmOn]

15. "...you're dead."

"You can criticize me, but don't criticize my children
and don't criticize my daughters-in-law and
don't criticize my husband, or you're dead"

-Barbara Bush

[RBHam]

16. Let us review

http://www.bushbodycount.com/

There have been plenty of updates lately thanks to the misadventure in Iraq.

[jiacinto]

26. This is ironic

This sounds a lot like the "Clinton Body Count" that the folks on the far right had during his tenure. I am sure that all of you remember the "Clinton Chronicles" videos and the alleged "Clinton Body Count."

This looks way too similiar.

[Minstrel Boy]

18. The charges may have been outrageous, but

sometimes the more outrageous the crime, the greater the chance of evading justice. I'd say that's especially true if you're a scion of one of America's leading families. And why is it that this family has attracted an unusually large number of outrageous stories regarding pedophilia and sexual abuse?

The Thoreau piece is unsettling, because Schoedinger doesn't come across as a disturbed woman seeking attention. Disturbed undoubtedly she was, particularly if the abuse was true, but she wasn't pursuing the media.

"When I started asking Schoedinger about certain details of the case, such as alleged surveillance at her home and if she was still legally representing herself, she politely ended our conversation. 'I need to see what has been written,' Schoedinger said. 'I feel like it's best for me to end our conversation.'

...

"But I remember being puzzled by Schoedinger's attitude after hanging up the phone. I wondered that if she had made up such a wild story, why she didn't come up with something a little less outlandish, in which people couldn't necessarily dismiss her as a kook. I wondered why she didn't seek publicity to at least provide some form of protection. I've long learned that being as public as possible is one of your best defenses against rogue intelligence agents. But she didn't even seem to want any media to cover her story. I told several writers I knew, some of whom tried to contact Schoedinger. None succeeded, as far as I know.

"I remember thinking, "I hope she doesn't wind up on the wrong side of a gun." And sure enough, in late September, Schoedinger did.

...

"For all I know, maybe Schoedinger did kill herself. Maybe she dreamed up a lot of this stuff. But I don't know, am I 'deranged' to think it's weird that in this mass-media, detailed-information age, so few people are even asking any questions about how a woman who filed a rape lawsuit against the president could be dead less than a year later?"

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

[Must_B_Free]

22. No one has mentioned the most interesting detail yet...

The scandal with the woman was gathering pace. Sugar Land police decided to conduct a background investigation into Margie Schoedinger-s past activities. As it turned out, she had seven dates, (which then became seven lovers), had told no lies, committed no crimes, gotten two traffic tickets and dated George W. Bush as a minor.


Could the fabled teenaged abortion of Bush's past be a part of this unbelievable story?

[Must_B_Free]

25. Jacinto - how do you explain this coincidence?

of the dating of Bush? Isn;t that uncomfortably coincidental, considering the high volume of "coincidences" we have to accept about Bush?

Could it have anything to do with MKULTRA, where federal agents kidnapped and tortured US and Canadian citizens in the interest of perfroming "expiraments" on them?

How do reasonable moderate Democrats grapple with the fact of MKULTRA, J Carlos?

[jiacinto]

27. You sound ludicrous

That's all I have to say about this. It's clear that this woman's mind wasn't there 100% if you actually read the complaint that was posted here months ago. If it's the same woman it doesn't look legit.

[Must_B_Free]

33. Wow - Jacinto reduced to name calling...

That's a coward's admission of defeat.

I guess you have no choice but to not even address MKULTRA, huh? With the records of congressional hearings, you can't use the "lone nut" dismissal method.

Your cognitive dissonance has left you disarmed on this matter. I doubt you'll even reply because you'll only be digging your self deeper and deeper into the pit of lost credibility. It was your choice to try to use speculation to dismiss matters of fact in the first place.

But lets try again, J Carlos, please address

1. Schrodinger's dating of Bush as a minor

2. MKULTRA - kidnapping and mental/physical torture and brainwashing of US and Canadian Citzens, by the CIA, an organization once headed by Bush's father.

[Minstrel Boy]

34. unfortunately there's evidence for the CIA's interest in

trauma-induced mind control experiments involving the abuse of minors. Yes, it's out there, but just because it sounds crazy doesn't mean it hasn't happened. (That's what a nation reaps from welcoming thousands of Nazi doctors after World War II.) For some reason, the Bush name keeps cropping up. And this woman's accusations sounded oddly familiar.

[jiacinto]

35. Oh please

you are really reaching for the tinfoil. It's posts like yours that make people think Democrats are crazy and deranged.

[Must_B_Free]

36. Is this a concession of Defeat, J Carlos?

Because you sure aren't getting anywhere near the issues in question.

You seem to only dance around the edges and call names.

What is you real intent, J Carlos, to get to the truth or simply help convince yourself and others of what you'd like to believe?

[Minstrel Boy]

37. Just do a little research on CIA operations like

ARTICHOKE
BLUEBIRD
SPELLBINDER
MKSEARCH
CHATTER
MKOFTEN
MKULTRA
MONARCH

Or don't. You won't like what you find.

[Must_B_Free]

38. I guess Jacinto doesn't really care about reality

He's only interested in things that support the fantasy presented by the Bush administration.

[RBHam]

29. Ever since the Enquirer guy got anthraxed...

The Bush Family is off limits...