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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:08 PM
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Actual Laser Super Weapon + DRAFT = PNAC Conquest success by 2008?
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 12:10 PM by Dems Will Win
At least PNAC thinks so--that's the problem.

Most don't know it but Bush and PNAC have a secret weapon up their sleeve--and it's a SUPER WEAPON. Once the "Airborne Laser" is fitted onto 50-60 747-400s, the U.S. will be able to blow away ballistic missiles in the launch phase. THis is the end of war as we know it. The U.S. will be able to blow up in-flight missiles--from 180 miles away!

This neutralizes missile launches and the 2 MegaWatt beam can even strike ground targets with pinpoint accuracy, burning a hole the size of a basketball in just about anything. This is why Bush is so hot to militarize space so he can put the Super Weapon into orbit, where it would work just fine.

At this point, many of you might think I've gone nuts, that Reagan tried and failed at Star Wars and the recent anti-missile tests all failed and were faked to look otherwise. Unfortunately those missile tests were made irrelevant in March 2001, when Raytheon successfully tested the "Rubber Mirror", over 400 small mirrors that change to keep a control beam focused on a target so the main laser can shoot through 180 miles of atmospheric turbulence. They continue to run and advertise the anti-missile tests just to distract the media and the public.

This is the real deal! Here is the official government site touting the invention that made the BIG STICK, the Airborne Laser, a reality:

http://www.airbornelaser.com/news/2001/033001.html

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. , March 30, 2001

New Solid-State Laser Developed For Airborne Laser Program
Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company today announced that its subcontractor, Raytheon Electronic Systems, has achieved a crucial milestone in the development of the Beam Control/Fire Control system for the U.S. Air Force's Airborne Laser (ABL) program. The Beam Control/Fire Control system will aim and fire a high-energy laser at a target missile in its boost phase.

<snip>

"The 'first light' test is significant because the TILL is the heart of the Beam Control/Fire Control system. This is a brand new technology and the test proves the design is valid," said Lockheed Martin ABL Program Manager Paul Shattuck.

This laser is an integral part of the Beam Control/Fire Control system and will project rapid, powerful pulses of light on a small section of a boosting target missile. The light will be reflected back to an extremely sensitive camera. The reflected light data is interpreted as information about the target's speed, elevation and probable point of impact.

<snip>

Raytheon's test showed that the TILL should have plenty of power to meet the signal needs of the system. According to Lockheed Martin Chief Systems Engineer Marya Andrepont, the test is a significant step in proving the technology. "We were expecting the laser to run for a few seconds, and they ran it for 30 minutes. I have great confidence that Raytheon will deliver a laser module that meets our needs," she said.

<snip>

Here is the evil schedule:

http://www.airbornelaser.com/schedules/milestones.html

Any remaining Doubting Thomases should be convinced by the videos:

http://www.airbornelaser.com/pics-clips/video.html


The Super Weapon plus a MILITARY DRAFT of millions starting in 2005 will give PNAC the cajones to attempt their world oil takeover. If Bush gets back in, we will be looking at our collective worst nightmare.

Again, buy an extra pair of shoes to wear out while you are canvassing for the Democrat in the next election in 2004. It will be the best pair of shoes you could ever buy.


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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:17 PM
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1. does this mean we can finally get rid of our nukes and landmines???
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:28 PM
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4. no.
it means we get rid of everyone else's.
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monkeyboy Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:22 PM
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2. Gotta love this part
<<The Airborne Laser will be the world's first boost-phase defense against theater ballistic missiles of the type that were used against U.S. troops during the Gulf War.>>

Oh yeah, I remember, that was such a HUGE problem. Thanks gods we finally developed a weapon to deal with that.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:24 PM
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3. I'd rather have them using this weapon
than raining bombs down on cities still filled with civilians. Laser weaponry forces pinpoint accuracy by default. If they do happen to make a mistake in their targeting, perhaps "only" one or two innocent people die, rather than twenty or thirty.

On balance, this is actually a good thing; as with all weapons, it'll be abused, particularly if it goes into space.

So, if I feel that way about it, why do I have a mental image of a protest somewhere in the US where people suddenly start vaporizing and bursting into flame?
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:29 PM
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5. Relax! You're buying too much into their propaganda...
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 12:41 PM by Capt_Nemo
This is a load of techno-drivel. This system has weaknesses
and they aren't few:

- Clear weather only.

- Adaptative optics work, but you have to know the instantaneous variations of the wavefront caused by that ever-changing
180 miles column of air between you and your target. For that you
either have a reference light-source beaming from behind your
target, or you have to rely on a reference beam of your own reflected
on the target's surface. This last seems a little bit more realist
but you then have to get a full-proof model of the reflection on the
target's surface, which could vary with paint, humidity, etc...
(supposing you get enough reflected energy to get a "good picture"
of whatever you're shooting at)

- Then there's the little problem of getting a 747-400 within the 180
range of the launch site without being brought down by AAMs. Don't
even get into playing self-defense with the laser because those
missiles are small, manouverable machines and fast right from launch.
And you an just deal with one at a time while they could come in
a salvo.
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:34 PM
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7. I agree.
I've had a few years working with large gas lasers. Once the light is emitted from the laser tube, it needs perfect optics and an absolutely clear atmosphere to be effective. Dust, smoke, clouds, fog, etc. can easily cut the delivered power to practically zero.
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:37 PM
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9. A degree in physics helps sorting out this BS
BTW, if you pardon my indiscretion, are you an optics engineer?
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:57 PM
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14. Only by the seat of my pants.
My field was electronics. The company I worked for bought some Russian lasers. They quickly failed and there was no tech support. I had to take them apart and figure out what was wrong (and how they worked). It turned out that it used a gas mixture with a high flourine gas component which ate away the bearings in the mixing blower inside the tube.

Gas lasers are, essentially, a neon light on steroids.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:36 PM
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8. Yes, hundreds of missiles launched simultaneously would work
It is still a MAD world
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:37 PM
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10. I agree this might not work, the problem is if Bush gets back in, he will
militarize space to put these in orbit and then they are within 180 miles of everywhere. They also believe in the ABL and it will stiffen their spines for the final PNAC assault on Central Asia whether it works in the theater or not.

How did you know about the reflection and paint and humidity--had not heard that one before. Does that really matter with ABL, the TILL control and a 2 MegaWatt beam or was that for the earlier ground to air tests of the fake much weaker system?

Good post!
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:50 PM
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12. It does matter for piloting the adptative optics
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 01:25 PM by Capt_Nemo
and get the 2 MW thing continuously focused through turbulent air.

Space systems have to cope with another load of problems. they don't have to deal with
atmospheric optical phenomena but with very fast targets.

The PNACers are fully aware of these limitations. They know these
are "pork barrel dedicated systems", and want to pump up their share
of corporate welfare thet goes into their pockets.

Their wars will always be the "M1 blows up tin can APCs" and
"Humvee blown to bits" variety.

ABL or no ABL, MD or no MD, if the US tries to take on Russia or
China it will be toast.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:30 PM
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6. and this will stop pissed-off Iraqi from making homemade bombs?
There's no question we have superior military technology. However, that superiority is rendered useless by clever guerillas.

I agree that the false confidence created by this weaponry will feed the arrogance of PNAC, and we can count on that arrogance to lead them into further blunders.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:39 PM
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11. Exactly, Whether we think it works or not, it will give PNAC members
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 12:40 PM by Dems Will Win
goosebumps and thrill them no end.
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:14 PM
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17. Borrowing an idea from Aaron McGruder
We could save the world by getting the neo-cons to have some sex...
There must be something about weapons that messes with the libido
of these people... like a Minuteman III, or a Seawolf :evilgrin:
:evilgrin:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 12:56 PM
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13. PNAC still won't even control Baghdad by 2008
much less the world.
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:19 PM
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18. Absolutely right!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:03 PM
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15. so much concrete stuff out there
What does the nebulous stuff add?

For example, we recently invaded and are currently occupying Iraq, how does a super weapon chane anything?

Same with the draft. Common sense tells me that the draft is a possibility, pushing that conspiracy stuff doesn't add anything.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:04 PM
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16. blah blah blah
just another expensive bill o'goods we're being sold (but if the rest of the world believes it works, i guess that's ok). But I don't believe it.
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