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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:26 PM
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clark and lack of integrity
Does anyone here know EXACTLY why clark was dismissed from his post in NATO?
I know that rumor has it that it was "an integrity" issue.... but that doesn't tell me a damned thing.
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:28 PM
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1. No one knows
Shelton has refused to elaborate, and no one else has, either.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:40 PM
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9. surprise, surprise.....
Don't most of the things they say about liberals fail to hold water?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:30 PM
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2. Clark has asked Gen. Shelton to come forward and
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 01:30 PM by Ilsa
explain it. Without an explanation, it is useless hearsay and political flaming. Clark said Shelton, et al, had nothing but the highest praise for him while he was at NATO, etc. Shelton has been conspicuously silent.

I suspect Shelton is a Repuke and is angry at Clark for declaring himself a Dem and running against the current War Machine in the WH. Furthermore, he is probably jealous of Clark's resume and the possibility that he could beat *.

(Edited for spelling)
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:31 PM
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5. Actually...
...Shelton is an advisor to John Edwards.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:48 PM
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26. Shelton has been an advisor
to Edwards for a long time because Shelton is a prominent military man from Edwards' home state.

I don't really think that has anything to do with his comments though because Shelton hasn't really done anything for Edwards' campaign. it seem pretty clear that there's some personal issues between Clark and Shelton that are not political at all.
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kclown Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:30 PM
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3. Can't access New Yorker archive
Read a piece in the New Yorker about 2 weeks ago.  Basically,
SOD Bill Cohen decided he was grandstanding in the Kossovo
affair.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:42 PM
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10. Cohen is a GOP'er Clinton had head DOD - and Clark was a brighter light
so Cohen had him removed early.

There were policy differences - but they were within the DOD - no one in EU or NATO requested he be removed - although Clark was more aggressive toward Russia than others in NATO wanted to be - he played a very effective "bad guy" to the good guy "compromiser" Clinton when SLAVIC NATIONHOOD was pushed by the Russian Army and had to be stopped.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:30 PM
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23. more aggressive
well, that's one way to tell the tale of the brit general who refused clark's orders saying "i am not going to start WWIII for you."
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:43 PM
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11. That New Yorker piece has been discredited...
Here are a couple articles discussing the New Yorker piece, there are many more articles about Clark that discuss the issue...you might go to clarks blog and ask this question as well.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2091194/?0si=- "Defending the General"

http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2003/11/yglesias-m-11-14.html

:)
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:30 PM
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4. Shleton had an axe to grind....
Freepers don't need proof to spew this shit...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:33 PM
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6. Integrity concerning matters of the military
and used by some generals in describing someone sometimes means that person disagrees with an approach or policy and challenges it. His service in that capacity was cut short (no derelection of duty) by convincing the president his replacement should be appointed a couple of months ahead of the planned replacement due to his impending retirement.
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:37 PM
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7. In my opinion, it boils down to an old quarrel between the Army
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 01:38 PM by lindashaw
and the Air Force. No one wanted to put troops on the ground, and Colin Powell said it would take 400,000 or some such ridiculous number. But the Air Force said they would do it from the air, which the Brass scoffed at because of the mountainous terrain. But the Air Force really did accomplish the job, and Clark undoubtedly ruffled a lot of feathers in the process.

Cohen, in my opinion, behaved abominably and tricked Clinton into approving Clark's early demise. When he found out that he had been tricked, I read that Clinton was furious. The Shelton thing was a matter of professional jealousy, more than likely. You can't be where Clark was without making enemies.

edited for spelling
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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:39 PM
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8. Shelton started the smear...
and has been to cowardly to come forward and take the heat for his words. Shelton should just worry about climbing ladders.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:49 PM
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12. Shelton should run for president
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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:51 PM
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13. perhaps he should
I think Dean and Shelton would be a good match. Heck it would help Dean on his Draft Dodging allegations.


:toast:
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:54 PM
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15. Dean Shelton sounds good
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 01:55 PM by creativelcro
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:53 PM
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14. Here's a good source of info
Lot's of good material on Clark's retirement.

http://wesleyclark.h1.ru/departure.htm#top

MzPip
:dem:
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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:55 PM
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16. great job
That will keep all those truly interested in the real reason, busy for awhile. Thanks for the post.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:56 PM
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17. real reason is that Clark is nutzo
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 05:09 PM
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34. A charge you cannot back up with fact...
... so you wallow in auto-backpatting and the "cleverness" of your dishonesty.
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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:57 PM
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18. He's too liberal for the service
I know saying he is too liberal sounds like a flip answer, but I think it's true. We have never received an adequate answer to your question, but it probably boils down to personality. The military is conservative in nature and too much concern over things like protecting civilians or rebuilding democracy would show a lack of "integrity". :crazy:

If there was a real justification for his removal, we would know by now.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 01:59 PM
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19. Why? Why? Why? Every single day! Argh!
There are three other very good threads from the past three days on this topic.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:20 PM
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20. Here is another article regarding the Shelton smear...
It is entitled: Frag Officer: Hugh Shelton smears Wes Clark

http://slate.msn.com/id/2089014

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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:25 PM
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21. Senator Cohen (R)
Cohen acted in a partisan mannor during his tenure at DoD. It was well known during among the staff.

Setting the table:

A woman in the airforce had been court marshalled the year before Ralston, a good friend of Cohen, was also revealed as having an affair with a CIA agent. It boiled under the headlines at the time because nothing happened to Ralston. Except, Ralston could not be promoted to head NATO. Shelton is a long time Republican, and openly supported the squatter.

Albright, Clinton and Holbrooke wanted to do something about Kosovo since it was turning into another Bosnia. Too much blood on their hands for ignoring another bout of ethic cleansing. Clark got Clinton's nod for NATO.

First course:

Cohen, with urging from the GOP, made life miserable for Clark. And here, Clinton did little to protect his pick to head the war. Shelton, with his ass firmly planted in at the JC sided with Cohen. That cabal did absolutely everything, everything to be insulting and revolting during that time. In the words of Albright to Clark, "the got me, and they'll get you too." He received other warnings from visiting delegations of congress members. Although Clark never named names.

Turkey:

Clark managed to win the war without a loss of one American life. I believe it was Albright who was the back channel to Clinton.
There was once a meeting with Clinton regarding Kosovo; Cohen knew that Clark was in Washington...he didn't invite him. Imagine, the general leading a war was not asked to brief the president about that war.

Clark received a call telling him that Ralston had been named to head NATO and because Ralston would have been forced to retire if they waited, Clark was forced out 3 months early. Shelton never gave him a reason. When Clark called Holbrooke, it was learned that Cohen had released the info to the press before calling Clark. Clinton had no idea what he was signing, before it was too late. Strange way to treat someone you think is a star.

Pie in your face:

Ralson now works for Cohen as a defense lobbiest. Oh, and recently he also took on the job of advising Dean. Cohen in a K Street fat cat who rests on laurels he never deserved. Shelton advises Edwards and recently won a big contract for Red Cap, a defense firm doing business in Iraq. Show me the money...it is better than honor and integrity.

Coffee hot and strong:

This question was asked yesterday and the day before. It is an ugly story, and pisses me off. Now, if you think these Brutus wanna-be's have any shred of truthfullness left in their entire being, you would be suffering from a form of delusion beyond any known cure. Vote for whomever, but carrying a rumor that is so disgusting only some rightwing hack needs spew it needs to stop. It dishonors those that repeat it, originate it, and delight in it.

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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:25 PM
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22. A practical reason for Shelton to smear Clark
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 02:27 PM by gulliver
If Clark becomes CiC, all of Shelton's toadies are in jeopardy. Shelton has to fear that CiC Clark will not look kindly on Shelton proteges. I doubt Clark would do a wholesale purge of Shelton people (that's more like Shelton's style, IMO).

I personally think the silence by Shelton when challenged for details speaks volumes. Shelton probably knows that he can't sustain a charge of character or integrity issues against Clark. Fairly judged, it is Shelton who obviously has the problems.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:32 PM
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24. Post and run
The person who started this thread never returned. Surprize, surprize. surprize.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:43 PM
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25. About 6 articles from the New York Times
written at the time of the occurrences can be found on my Blog site here:
http://frenchiecat.forclark.com/ read the entry entitled:
the Truth about Shelton/Ralston/Cohen and General Clark
------------------------------
In addition to the information from my blog (go there!), Remember that Ralston who replaced Clark early was the General that had been charged with infidelity for cheating on his wife in the late 80s. Ralston was denied position as Joint Chiefs in 1997 because of it. Cohen went to bat for Ralston but was unable to convince anybody to give Ralston the job.

Clinton named Clark as SAUCER in that same year 1997. mmm...mmm...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B05EEDA153CF93BA35755C0A961958260
June 8, 1997, Sunday
WEEK IN REVIEW DESK
A Plea for Exceptions By ERIC SCHMITT
Defense Secretary William S. Cohen's decision to forgive an Air Force general for his adulterous affair in the mid-1980's, and still consider him as a top candidate to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff faced rising criticism last week.

Gen. Joseph W. Ralston, who is now Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has admitted to having a yearlong affair with a Central Intelligence Agency analyst while the two were students at the National War College 13 years ago. The General was estranged from his wife at the time.

Secretary Cohen said the affair did not disrupt military morale or discredit the armed forces, but critics in Congress say that the Pentagon is selectively enforcing its rules against adultery. ERIC SCHMITT
-----------------------------------------------
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60916FF3E580C7B8CDDAF0894DF494D81
NATIONAL DESK | June 8, 1997, Sunday
Adultery Is Just One Land Mine for Pentagon Chief
By PHILIP SHENON (NYT)
Late Edition - Final , Section 1 , Page 26 , Column 3
ABSTRACT - Interview with Defense Sec William S Cohen, who comments on personal criticism he faces for initially defending Gen Joseph W Ralston, his choice to head Joint Chiefs of Staff, amid furor over adultery; Cohen is fast discovering that post will make him unpopular with many people he long considered friends, including former colleagues in Senate, over diverse range of issues; photo (L)

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB071EFF3D5B0C718DDDAF0894DF494D81
NATIONAL DESK | June 12, 1997, Thursday
Top Officer Needn't Be Flawless, Cohen Says

By PHILIP SHENON (NYT)
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 24 , Column 1
ABSTRACT - Defense Sec William S Cohen says he will not insist that next Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff have blemish-free sexual history, even though admission of adultery doomed Gen Joseph W Ralston's candidacy

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10C16FB3B580C738DDDAF0894DF494D81

NATIONAL DESK | June 10, 1997, Tuesday
GENERAL GIVES UP ATTEMPT TO HEAD THE JOINT CHIEFS

By PHILIP SHENON (NYT) 1360 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 1 , Column 4

ABSTRACT - Gen Joseph W Ralston withdraws name from consideration to become next Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff after failing to persuade Congressional lawmakers he is worthy of job despite adulterous affair in mid-1980's; says decision is solely his, and has been made with sense of regret; says public discussion blurred facts in number of recent cases and gave mistaken notion of double standard regarding military justice; Defense Sec William Cohen, who supported Ralston's candidacy, renews search for new nominee; asks Ralston to remain in post as vice chairman of Joint Chiefs; Pres Clinton praises Ralston's 32-year career in Air Force; says he is pleased with decision by Cohen to review military's disciplinary standards for adultery and sexual indiscretions; says it is essential that system be reasonable, consistent and fair to those who serve country; photos (M)



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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:50 PM
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28. great blog Frenchie
very informative.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 05:06 PM
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33. When I checked my blog last, some "pancake"
commented on the information I had provided by saying:

The question remains: Does Clark have the proper instincts and basic common sense, beyond whatever immediate desk he's behind, to tackle the current problems at hand?

Given your references, there's no way of knowing -- but why change horses in mid stream?

He as much admits as having problems getting the NATO neighbors to cooperate and contribute in lowly Yugoslavia -- so how in the world doies he expect to get the kids at the UNITED NATIONS to foist over their fair share in combatting terror, corruption, pollution eta al if POTUS?
I thin this is a step backward in your campaign, frankly.


TO WHICH I REPLIED:
Now one said Clark had an easy time of it. However when one looks at the results, what one sees is that Clark won the war, had no American casualties, and the dictator he was attempting to oust is currently sitting in the Hague.

I believe that this is about as effective as it gets. Non?



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teevee Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 02:50 PM
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27. press conference of shelton and cohen praising clark
Shelton's comments are no more thana partisan smear.

"Q: This is General Clarke's last visit to Kosovo today. Any word on how he has performed his job?

Sec Def.: He has done an extraordinary job. General Clarke is one of our most brilliant officers. He undertook a mission that is perhaps one the most complicated and complex and carried it out successfully. As I mentioned in my remarks, this air campaign was the most successful in the history of warfare. We had over 38,000 sorties that were flown. We had only two planes that were shot down and no pilots lost. That is a record that is unparalleled in the history of warfare. So, General Clarke and his entire staff and subordinates and all who participated deserve great credit.

Q: Why is he leaving office, then?

Sec Def.: He is leaving because we have General Ralston who will become the new SACEUR. We are now replacing many of our CINCs throughout the world.

Q: It is not a reflection on his performance?

Sec Def: No reflection at all. He has done an outstanding job as the Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Southern Command, and he did an outstanding job here as EUCOM Commander and also as SACEUR"


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2000/t05022000_t501koso.html
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 05:10 PM
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35. Nice link, and thanks for the ammo, teevee!!! (n/m)
:D
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 04:43 PM
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29. it was said by General Shelton - who was challenged
... to put up or shut up. and he seems to have shut up.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 04:46 PM
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30. Here it is again... please bookmark...
We've all heard the story by now. A few weeks back, Gen. Hugh Shelton, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was at a forum in California where he was asked, "What do you think of Gen. Wesley Clark, and would you support him as a presidential candidate?"

"I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote." Shelton replied.

There are two problems with that statment. The first is unless Shelton reveals what those "integrity and character issues" are, the charges are meaningless and they show a lack of integrity unto themselves. Afterall, how can Wesley Clark possibly rebutt them if he doesn't know what the issues are? This is like someone telling you on your wedding day, "I wouldn't marry him/her if I were you... I'm not going to say why... just trust me..." Huh? How does one respond to that?

The second problem is the assertion that Clark came out of Europe early based on the mysterious and vague charges of "integrity and character" issues. In all actuality, Clark was relieved of duty based on personal vendettas carried by General Hugh Shelton and Admiral Leighton (Snuffy) Smith. It was Shelton who called Clark to inform him that his nato assignment would end early. (According to Waging Modern War, Shelton would not even show Clark the courtesy of extending the phone call a few minutes to work out a face-saving exit.) President Clinton privately told Clark, "I had nothing to do with it." http://www.farcaster.com/mhonarchive/hauserreport/msg00467.html

So what drove General Shelton to the decision to recall a very successful General from the field after executing a very successful war?

He directly crossed Admiral Leighton Smith, the four-star commander of Mediterranean nato forces. Although nato demanded a full Serb withdrawal from the besieged city of Sarajevo, Smith urged that a brief bombing pause in early September be extended indefinitely, since, as he explained to Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, he thought the United States had no business intervening. But Clark, then still a three-star, insisted in a heated telephone call that the bombing should continue as planned. As Holbrooke writes in To End A War, "I could tell from the noises emanating from Clark's cell phone that he was being scolded by a very angry, very senior American naval commander." Smith--who quickly alerted his superiors to Clark's insolence--had the inclinations of nato policymakers on his side; after all, heads of state had neglected Bosnia as long as was politically tolerable. But Clark was right, and he won: The bombing resumed and caused the Bosnian Serbs to withdraw from Sarajevo within two weeks of Clark's clash with Smith. That November, the warring parties met at Dayton to negotiate a peace accord. Clark was soon afterward awarded his fourth star--despite ferocious resistance from the Army, which would have preferred his retirement. http://www.farcaster.com/mhonarchive/hauserreport/msg00467.html

During the above-mention events, President Clinton seethed, privately calling Smith insubordinate, and eventually forcing the admiral to resume action. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/books/2001/0109.thompson.html

So, we see, Clark defied Admiral Smith, won Clinton's backing, and resumed the campaign. The intervention ended less than two weeks later.

So here's the setup. Clark defied Admiral Smith. Smith alerted his superiors to Clark's "insolence" (but apparantly not Bill Clinton, who agreed with Clark and disagreed with Smith.) Those superiors were most likely Richard Cohen and General Shelton.

Shelton, Smith, and Cohen were angry. Not only had they been defied, but they were proven wrong and were not backed by their Commander in Chief.

They fought Clark being awared his Fourth star - wanting him retired instead. They had been out manuervered by Wesley Clark and Clark won the Kosovo intervention. Embarassing to be sure.

I don't know how thick Admiral Leighton W. Smith and General Shelton were during the Kosovo conflict, before it, or after it, but they have both been guest speakers at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce.

http://www.uky.edu/RGS/Patterson/faculty.htm

I would suspect their association goes back a bit further.

As for Clark and his "character issues," he "risked his career to confront the uniformed reluctance to use force in defense of human rights."

Clark was disliked (even hated?) by the upper Pentagon brass because...

1. Such liberal/progressive views like humanitarian missions and nation building for the military made the Pentagon uneasy...

Despite his credentials as a warrior - 34 years in the Army, including a Silver Star, two Bronze Stars and a Purple Heart earned in Vietnam - {Clark} argues that the U.S. military must learn how to perform such nontraditional functions as peacekeeping and even nation-building, because that's what it will be doing in the 21st century, like it or not. And, since it's no small task to turn gung-ho soldiers into order-keeping policers, it's all the more urgent that the entire military start rethinking its doctrine immediately.

Paradigm-shifting views such as these did not make Clark popular with his superiors at the Pentagon, including former Secretary of Defense William Cohen.


http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=article&pubID=528

2. Wesley Clark welcomes homosexuals in the military

I'm not sure that I'd be in favor of policy. I supported that policy. That was a policy that was given. I don't think it works. It works better in some circumstances than it does in others. But essentially we've got a lot of gay people in the armed forces, always have had, always will have. And I think that, you know, we should welcome people that want to serve. - MSNBC

Former NATO supreme commander Wesley Clark says it is time for the ban on gays in the military to be lifted. - gayPASG


3. Clark was/is too intelligent for the military "culture."

...General Barry McCaffrey told the Washington Post: "This is no insult to army culture ... but he was way too bright, way too articulate, way too good looking and perceived to be way too wired to fit in with our culture."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1044318,00.html

I would say these sound like integrity and character issues I admire.

More...

After prosecuting NATO's first war by uniting its 19 countries and defeating the Yugoslav Army with no alliance casualties, the four-star general had ruffled enough feathers at the Pentagon that his career abruptly ended.

"Wes could not possibly be a better leader," Taylor said. "I really respect Wes in a very special way for his brilliance. But he's also a man of real character and high personal values."

Any problem Clark had with higher-ups in the Pentagon was due to "professional jealousy" by officials who had trouble with a highly intelligent man who made his case with solid evidence and debated vigorously, Taylor said.

"The guy, when he starts doing something, is exhaustively focused on achieving the mission," said retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, who has known Clark since the two taught at West Point decades ago. He preceded Clark as commander of U.S. Southern Command.

The tension with Washington stemmed partly from the failure of bureaucrats to give Clark resources he needed as the commander on the scene, Grange said.

During and after the conflict there was friction between Clark and his superiors, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Hugh Shelton and Defense Secretary William Cohen, apparently over Clark's high-profile persona and his willingness to challenge them.

At the root of this conflict, Taylor said, was jealousy of a "superstar" by Clark's superiors at the Pentagon. "Shelton and Cohen didn't like Wes being direct with them, arguing his case," Taylor said. "They wanted someone they could tell what to do."

more...

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/Nation/AB925B9C76D6B82686256DBC00375519?OpenDocument&Headline=Clark\'s+rise+in+military+impressed+and+rankled+observers

and more...

U.S. News Online
Outlook 8/9/99
the real reason for Clark's ouster may be that the famously political general was impolitic. Pentagon insiders say Clark's frequent and public complaint that politicians had tied his hands during the Kosovo war irked his boss, Defense Secretary William Cohen. Cohen reportedly also was none too pleased that Clark's aides called him "Senator Cohen," a mocking reference to his past as an elected official. The bottom line, says one Pentagon official: "You don't piss off your boss and get away with it-

1999 UNIVERSAL PRESS SYNDICATE
No wonder these generals and admirals in what once was called the War Department got rid of the one genuine military thinker and hero we have, Gen. Wesley K. Clark. What did he think he was doing, insisting upon winning?

The simple truth right now is that nobody says that Clark was wrong. In fact, the respected German Gen. Klaus Naumann, just-retired head of the NATO military committee, told a group of us here recently, in his review of the still-unresolved conflict, that "the reluctance to use overwhelming force allowed Slobodan Milosevic to calculate his risks. ... I would press harder for visible preparations and visible planning."

But it was the "go-slow" guys, the "they'll give in with a just little more punishment" chaps (in fact, the very same mentality that gave us Vietnam!), the ones who would rewrite all of the dictums of von Clausewitz and Sun Tzu about the need to strike hard, fast and unrelentingly, who were unquestionably and provably wrong -- and whose political caution cost tens of thousands of lives and came close to losing the war for NATO.

So who goes? Wesley Clark!


Levin Statement on Departure of General Wesley Clark
July 28, 1999
WASHINGTON Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., issued the following statement today following the announcement that General Wesley Clark would step down as NATO supreme commander in April, 2000:

"I have known and worked with General Wes Clark for many years. He is an outstanding military officer. We all owe him a debt of gratitude for his tremendous leadership of NATO's military forces during the recent Kosovo conflict. I look forward to working closely with General Clark through the end of his term as SACEUR."


By: EDWARD N. LUTTWAK
Published in the LA Times August 6, 1999
Edward N. Luttwak is a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington

Defeated generals are sent home in disgrace, but it is most unusual to dismiss victorious ones. Whatever the future may hold for Kosovo--and it looks rather grim at present--there is no doubt that NATO's war against Serbia ended in victory. Nor is it in doubt that its military commander, Gen. Wesley K. Clark, was very much the victorious general of that war.

NewsWeek
By John Barry and Christopher Dickey,
Aug. 9, 1999

Gen. Wesley Clark, supreme Allied Commander in Europe, waged and won NATO's campaign for Kosovo without losing a single soldier in action. For the U.S. military, the victory was uniquely—historically—bloodless. Last week Clark learned it was also thankless.

In a midnight call from Washington, Clark was told he'd be relieved of his command at NATO next April, a few months earlier than he'd anticipated. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Hugh Shelton, presented the decision as a simple matter of giving the post to another deserving officer. Clark, who got the call in the middle of a quick trip to the Baltic republics, was caught off balance. He'd seen Shelton in the United States just the week before. Not a word had been breathed of his replacement. According to one source privy to the conversation, Clark told Shelton the move would be read as a vote of no-confidence in his leadership.

Shelton, brisk and businesslike, said there was no way around it. His replacement—Air Force Gen. Joseph Ralston, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—would be forced by law to retire if he weren't given a new slot by April. Clark wasn't buying it. In two conversations that night and again the next day, sources say, he argued that his replacement would be a blow to U.S. efforts to reshape NATO. Shelton wasn't moved. Clark, the 54-year-old warrior, was going to have to step aside for Ralston, the 55-year-old Washington insider.

there's more articles from Wash Post/Dana Priestly, Seattle times, etc...
http://wesleyclark.h1.ru/departure.htm
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 04:53 PM
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31. General Shelton is engaging in McCarthyism
He never produced one iota of evidence to back up his allegations against Clark. This leads me to believe that Shelton's smear was motivated by his petty jealousy of Clark (smarter, better looking) than for any substantive reasons.

Shelton is working for Edwards's campaign.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 05:06 PM
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32. I thought (way back in the corners of my memory)
that there was discussion of the challenge of being head of NATO (and some europeans had one view of what the troops should be doing) and being a part of the US Army (and being pushed to put US interests/perspectives on top of everything else)... created a tension that was both a) inevitable and b) likely to ensure a limited run for anyone in that position (because working to balance those two at times competing interests... was going to leave some of the bosses perpetually unhappy). Thought that in the end, it wasn't a complete surprise when he moved on... and that some, indeed, thought he had lasted longer under those circumstances than had been expected.

But I am working from memory of the time - rather than a recently read article.
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