Is there anyone left in the Clark campaign

[Capn Sunshine]

who hasn't signed on to DU to bash Dean this week? Sheesh.
Don't make us jam our massive numbers down your throats, people. It's not what we're about. We've been very polite about not doing that. Other campaigns seem to view taking over DU and posting in ever increasing numbers as their only chance, and I'm guessing that ever since the purge of the internet guys over at Clark central they have a lot of time on their hands.

But seriously, dudes.....

[La_Serpiente]

1. what?

I don't get it.

[Capn Sunshine]

3. post counts , for one thing

all low, all pro Clark , anti Dean, Clark is our only hope, etc.
There's one on the page now.

[returnable]

17. It's not limited to one candidate

If you haven't noticed the number of low-count Deanies here in recent weeks, you've had your blinders on.

As the primary season tightens up, more folks take notice and are looking for places on-line to talk to other Dems.

Are you really surprised more folks are starting to pay attention now?

I mean, geez, DU will be a zoo by the time of the general election.

Or do you think only folks who have been here since before the summer of 2003 should be allowed to discuss the candidates?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

30. I remember when the Deanies first came to DU

en masse, obviously working from talking points, a host of new low count posters - I used to complain about their astroturfing at the time, but it's true the Clark people have caught up certainly, if not surpassed, the Deanies.

[YEM]

2. Dean's got this pretty much wrapped up....

You are fooling yourself if you think he doesn't. Know can come close to the momentum he is generating.

[La_Serpiente]

4. I am shocked by the arrogance of your post

As far as I am concerned, nobody has this wrapped up the nomination yet. There is still 1 month and a half until the Iowa caucuses. and anything could happen.

[Bucky]

5. I think you're being sarcastic

I honestly can't tell. Oh, wait--I get it. The dude's smokin a doob.

[La_Serpiente]

8. Ok

;-)

[Capn Sunshine]

6. I know this, you know this

why does DU have to be flooded with all this garbage in the meantime? We could really use this time to dialog about the REAL enemy. We don't need campaign talking points every day.

[returnable]

15. Hey, a low-count Clark-basher!

Damn those Deanies! They're flooding DU!

[kstewart33]

7. What is this nonsense?

A threat? I think better of DUers than that.

I'm a Clark supporter and I haven't bashed Dean. So keep your threats and your 'massive numbers' to yourself, ok?

Moderator, do civility a favor and lock this thread.

[Capn Sunshine]

10. It's not a threat. Its an observation

I am getting tired of all the space wasted by both sides of this argument. Its always The Clark people who get all huffy

[bicentennial_baby]

9. You are talking nonsense

What are you talking about? I see a few overzealous Clark supporters causing grief to the Deanies this week, but I am not seeing any massive influx of us, any any means.

Also, regardless of how many times it's been pointed out and y'all refuse to listen, there was no purge of the internet people from the Clark campaign. There were originally 2 Draft Clark groups, one run by Stirling Newberry and one run by John Hlinko. John and his group now work for the campaign, and John is Clark's Director of Internet Strategy and he highly active in the campaign at the grassroots level.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/23/clark_road_show_rolls_seeking_support_via_rvs/

Stirling Newberry did'nt get picked to work on the campaign, and he threw several public hissy-fits. That's all, and it's over now. So you can stop perpetuating the "purge" myth.

[Capn Sunshine]

11. If it was nonsense, I wouldn't have posted it

certainly you will admit to the strategem being used here. Every time I bring it up, the replies come fast and disparaging.

I just want the dialog to be more about Bush and less about the candidates shortcomings; DU cant decide anything fr anyone. It strikes me as a waste of space to have to keep preaching this.

[bicentennial_baby]

19. Here's what I think

Do you want to know how I really feel about the most virulent, arrogant, and obnoxious Pro-Clark/Anti-Dean DUers? I can't fucking stand them. I rarely participate in any candidate threads, and I cringe when I see "Clark is the only one who can save us" or some such crap is a thread title. I don't read them, because it's a ridiculous waste of time and energy. That being said, I feel the exact same way about the virulent, arrogant, and obnoxious Pro-Dean/Anti-Clark DUers.

I agree that we should be talking about our real opponent, and that is Bush, plain and simple. I have been in favor of moving the majority of candidate threads to P&C, but the Admins do not agree, so it shall remain the way it currently is, I'm afraid.

The thing that's really bothering me is the focus on "low post counts". Ok, some people are new here, and some of them are overzealous or plain rude and annoying. Problem is, I see the same asinine behavior from people with quite large post counts as well. I have to laugh...when we switched over to the "1000+" count system, it was all so there would be less of the low-post count stigma. I knew it would make no difference at all. That's life, I guess.


On edit: I see from your above post that you are equally arrogant as to the future results of the primaries...go figure :eyes:

[returnable]

24. Well, you see, there's the rub

"Every time I bring it up, the replies come fast and disparaging."

You disparage and marginalize other posters, then act surprised when the topic gets flamed :eyes:

[Julien Sorel]

34. Yet another Deanite who wants the focus to be on Bush now.

Too effing bad. You and your gang of Kool-aid swillers spent literally months here violently attacking other candidates, several of you still do it, but now you want everyone to focus on Bush. Goose, enjoy the sauce.

[Capn Sunshine]

12. If it was nonsense, I wouldn't have posted it

certainly you will admit to the strategem being used here. Every time I bring it up, the replies come fast and disparaging.

I just want the dialog to be more about Bush and less about the candidates shortcomings; DU cant decide anything fr anyone. It strikes me as a waste of space to have to keep preaching this.

[cspiguy]

13. Clark does not need bashing. Dean does.

I am serious about the nightmare of hearing on election night "CNN can now call it - George W. Bush has been Re-elected by an electoral landslide"... and the years of horror that will follow. THIS WILL HAPPEN IF DEAN IS NOMINATED. It's the worst of Mondale/Dukakis/McGovern, sheesh! Check back in a year if you don't think so.

[11cents]

14. Let's see ....

You're seriously asking why this Democratic forum should be used to discuss any candidate but Dean?

There's a certain pathology in the Dean "movement" of which this topic is an example. It's one reason that Dean will not win the nomination.

What's happened in the last few days, BTW, isn't that DU has been flooded by Clarkies in a concerted campaign (a deano-pathological assumption if ever there was one); rather, Clark's performance in a number of arenas has buoyed his existing supporters on DU (and elsewhere) and won him new converts here. Deal with it.

[AmericanDem]

16. Well you should rise above...

your shallow words and see the information and differing opinions before you smear a large group of people like that.

Part of anything in life is for people to come to there own conclusions, not having to fall in line with your warped belief system.

Get A Grip!

[Pastiche423]

18. A yup

It's been obvious to me for months. Although it has picked up demonstratively in the past week or so. (Dean's bat?)

Last ditch attempt at a failing campaign? Posting to an internet board will not make the illusion real.

It is what is happening in the real world that counts.

[FrenchieCat]

21. CLark's campaign is

two months 10 days old.....so Clark newbies on DU is what we should be seeing.....DUH!

[Pastiche423]

25. The clarkites invaded

this board long before he became a democrat.

[FrenchieCat]

26. and...

your point is?????

[bicentennial_baby]

27. So just say it, will you?

We are not welcome here, are we Pastiche? You would be much happier if we were not on DU. Is that correct?

[AmericanDem]

32. Ignore their warped logic.

Funny how people act when others don't agree with what they have to say, isn't it?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

40. I Would Be Much Happier If My Ignore List Was Not on DU

Unfortunately for me, that's out of my control.

Fortunately for us, booting new Clark supporters is out of THEIR control.

DTH

[creativelcro]

29. definitely

[AmericanDem]

39. your Clark logo is great

they way you switched your logo to clark is great kid. Glad to see you are doing some reading.:toast:

[jayfish]

38. How Far Back Do We Have To Go...

before we are legitimate DU'ers? One Year? Two? The beginning? I want to make sure I'm a 100%, genuine DU'er.

Jay

[Mz Pip]

23. Hah!

This from someone who hits every pro Clark thread with some snide remark.

Get over yourselves.

I have been on DU for two and a half years. I have never trashed Dean, ever. Why would I want to trash someone who I may have to vote for in the general election.

MzPip
:dem:

[creativelcro]

35. I don't hate Clark, I simply don't think he's fit

to be President yet.

[BootinUp]

20. Flamebait?

Is this a serious question?

Now is not the time for stifling debate.

[SEAburb]

22. reminds me of what the Deanies did in April and May to Kerry //nt

vvvvvvvvvvvvv

[cmd]

28. Like the General, I have not bashed others

I don't know who I will be voting for in the end. I certainly don't want to look like a fool.

[TSElliott]

31. I have never bashed Dean.

Thank you very much.

[Hep]

33. It's nice though to see

the kerry and clark people duking it out for a change.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

36. I'm Disappointed To See You Post This, Mike

The bullshit flows freely both ways. It's unseemly for you, IMO, to point the finger only at Clark supporters. Especially when many of the anti-Dean posts are coming from supporters of candidates other than Clark.

DTH

[salin]

41. I think you are correct...

and it was most apparent early in the Clark candidacy... some supporters of a couple of other candidates... who were already frustrated with the Dean candidacy... jumped in and tried to stoke the fires... and continue to do so - I think the clark contigent gets blamed because there are a few vitriolic pro/clark anti/deaners... but MORE because the loud anti/deaners (nonclark) jump on the clark threads to take sides and tweak the dean folks... giving the appearance that it is the clark contingent that is doing all the bashing.

Just my observation.

I have also just about hit the limit of patience on ALL of the smear/bash/threads that paint any of the candidates as demons or agents of rove... so devisive that it is as if the intent is to create unhealable wedges for the general election - I don't think it is the intention - but intention doesn't matter if the outcome is the same.

[chaska]

37. Darn, I miss all the good conspiracies. Why don't you guys ever call me?

One thing really stands out about those who believe in all these conspiracies: they just ain't that damn bright.

To imply that Clarkies, newbies or not, are here illegitimately is just stupid, and only indicates a certain frustration about the perception that one's side is losing.

DU is for people interested in politics to talk politics. Period. Who the hell are you to decide what gets disscussed, and by whom? Go to Home Depot, buy you some boards and some sand, and you can invite anyone you want to play in your new "Deanies only - no girls allowed" sand box. DU is not your sandbox.

Grow up, dude.

[newyawker99]

42. I am locking this thread.

All Democrats are welcome at DU. Threads such as this one discourage honest people from posting for fear of being called an infiltrator or an invader. Also, referring to people with low post totals as infiltrators without any proof is wrong.

If you feel that someone is a disruptor, please do as the rules of this board advise. Hit the alert button and let the mods and Admins review the situation.

Thank you.

NYer99
DU Moderator