I have two websites for you. One is the best PNAC source I have found.

[WilliamPitt]

I did a speaking gig in Albany a couple of weeks ago. While I was there, I met a scholar who has traced the roots of PNAC all the way back to the Truman administration. He put it up on his own small website here:

http://buddhistpeacegroup.org/pnac/

Don't let the URL fool you. That might be the most important site on the web. You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. Prepare to have your mind blown. I'm going to use that one site to write a whole book.

Here is the other site:

http://www.thefourreasons.org/

Amazingly well-prepared resource. Please keep this thread kicked.

[Marnieworld]

1. Kickidy-do-dah!

Thanks Will!
:-D

[Maple]

2. Eisenhower's

military/industrial complex

[Capn Sunshine]

5. I often wonder who Eisenhower had in mind

when he warned us of this.
I also wonder if you can draw a staright line from them to the death of JFK

[SeveneightyWhoa]

3. William Schneider, PNAC signatory = Bill Schneider of CNN?

LMAO! I knew he's part of the AEI but a PNAC signatory as well...its great to know that these people have members infiltrating the major media.

Anyhow, thanks for the resources. I'm going to link to them from my two sites.

[Sterling]

13. I hate that guy

No surprise that he is in on the crime though, his "reports" are right out of an Orwellian nightmare.

[Rose Siding]

16. I don't think it's the same guy

CNN's bio of their guy doesn't leave room for this other life.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

20. You must be kidding.

If not, its quite well known here that he's a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (basically PNAC's big brother), yet the CNN bio doesn't mention that either.

They also don't mention on Paula Zahn's bio that she's a Bush apologist media whore with a plastic face thats clearly about to fall off, who deserves to be right back on Fox where her Republican ass belongs. You see, they tend to be rather selective in their anchor biographies.

[madfloridian]

30. Partyline, I think there was a discussion on that here last year.

What you said rings a bell. I thought we had determined it was another one. I can not find one thing on it, not even in my saved bookmarks.

[Cleita]

4. Thanks.

eom

[WilliamPitt]

6. Kick

[brook]

7. Well, okay...

here's a :kick:...

but, in return, I want to hear about your upcoming luncheon...every syllable spoken. Ya hear?

Thanks for the links, btw.

[WilliamPitt]

9. Promise

:)

[Champion Jack]

8. kick

[bpilgrim]

10. thanks

:toast:

added to the list ;->
http://bbs.globalfreepress.com/index.php?showforum=12
peace

[Sterling]

11. Great find Will

Thx

[bread_and_roses]

Thanks

bookmarked.

[CivilRightsNow]

12. NED

I feel like a lone conspiracy theorist but Ive made several posts at DU about NED and the ties that it has to the voting scandal,PNAC, etc.

NED is the daddy think tank and PNAC, Heritage, etc spawns from it.

I urge you strongly to give it a serious look and the member ties to October sunrise, corporate buddies, etc.

You could search for my previous posts if interested for just the tip of the iceberg.

Nobody would even touch the links or information, given, Im a horrible organizer of information.. but it all stinks.

[DUreader]

17. Keep trying

I am a terrible organizer as well

alot of what you said made sense to me but there was so much

material to read thru

Keep trying to organize it and be prepared to shrug off the flames

you will recieve

[Eloriel]

21. Well *I* haven't seen any of your posts

Why on earth aren't you posting some of the links to some of those posts or the links IN the posts?

Please do so. That's the way DU works (well, before the candidate wars): we are link-driven.

Eloriel

[CivilRightsNow]

27. Sorry...

I am too poor for a gold star and did not have the ability to use the search feature.. now that Im back at my home computer, here you go.

I spin off into CNS and Heritage a couple of times and throw a gratuitous Rick Sanatourum link in, but I think it gives some background on who the people running NED are, what it's background is... what type of programs it participates in.. etc. The confusing part is how all these think tanks are linked together, its hard to know where one ends and the other begins.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=674299

If you think about the Regan Doctrine and why NED was started, you will see that PNAC is simply an offshot, Bush's baby think tank for his almost plagarized doctrine.

Here is a link to a Bush speech at NED, where he gives a more detailed speech about what the hell is actually going on in the Middle East then Ive ever heard him give to we, the people... but he tells NED.
http://www.ned.org/mm/20thanniversary.ram
transcript
http://www.ned.org/events/anniversary/oct1603-Bush.html

Links about NED:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Reagan_CIA.html
http://www.heritage.org/Research/TradeandForeignAid/em461.cfm
http://www.saag.org/papers2/paper115.html
http://www.jpf.go.jp/j/region_j/cgp_j/intel/abe/original/report_04.html

http://www.publiceye.org/research/Group_Watch/Entries-71.htm
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm

Here is some of a breakdown of Ned's members:

Wes Clark
"Former general, possible Democratic presidential candidate, and Segway rider Wesley Clark on why the military usually gets the money it needs while foreign aid, for example, usually loses out: "In the Defense Department, we've got the machinery. When we want something done we just make sure the B-2 Bomber is built in 49 states."

http://www.kabissa.org/lists/newsletter-submissions-l/0612.html

He joined Ned in 2001

Some more on Wesley and NED
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/88388.php

Clark praised Reagan for improving the military:

“We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan.” Clark continued: “That’s the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership.” (Ibid.)

Clark on President George H.W. Bush:

“President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship.” (Ibid.)



Francis Fukuyama
This guy scares me. Ill only focus on a few links because there is so much info out there on how scary this guy is you should have no reason finding it on your own if you are interested.

Condi Rice buddy
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s640487.htm

Member of the President's council on Bioethics
http://www.bioethics.gov/about/fukuyama.html

This is PNAC stuff. It's straight up weird. Scroll down for the article so you dont have to sign up for the NYT
http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0204/msg00031.html


Vin Weber
http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/vin_weber.htm

He is linked to the CAE (Center for -- (Other board member, Micheal Novak is also linked to CAE
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/cae.htm

http://www.citypages.com/databank/23/1119/article10388.asp

He is even part of PNAC
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Vin also had links to ChoicePoint, the people who helped steal the election and are now contracted for Ashcroft's Total Information Awareness Project:
http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=203

Thomas Donahue
President of Federated
http://www.federatedinvestors.com/company/history.asp
http://opengov.media.mit.edu/EX/0000/100/124/472/

Federated talks to the SEC alot:
Federated on the Sarbanes -Oxley Act
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s73302/skeen1.htm
On the Investment company act of 1940 amendment
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72101/neuman1.htm

Federated Is linked to the Galliot Center (Oh, his dad owns Federated, by the way):
In its role as advisor to the JEC, the Center produces "Quarterly International Economics Reports" that are distributed to members of Congress and published by the JEC. Several of the reports have been supported by international news stories and opinion-editorials, authored by Meltzer and/or Lerrick, in London's Financial Times and The Wall Street Journal. Another measure of the Center's impact is the implementation of its research as policy. President George W. Bush has highlighted the Center's grant-based aid proposal as a cornerstone of the Administration's international development strategy.
http://wpweb2k.gsia.cmu.edu/gsia/media/10-23-02NS.asp

William H Frist - Senate Republican Majority Leader
http://opengov.media.mit.edu/DBD/CACHE/0000/000/300/045/

He also wrote this book
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0742522458

He is the health industry's man in the govt.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A14010-2003Nov7¬Found=true

Frist also froze the probe into prewar iraq data


Suzanne Garmet
--formerly of AEI fame
http://www.aei.org/scholars/view.,dateType.,year.,month.,recNo.0,filter.social/scholar_byname.asp

***Micheal Novak and Richard Perle are scholars at AEI.. so is Lynne Cheney.. and Gingrich (this will make sense in the next link)

Defending Gingrich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/january97/scandal_1-8.html

She is also in bed with Vin Webber in The Council for Excellence in Govt.. Lee Hamilton makes an appearance there too. Look at the Coucil's Corporate partners
http://www.excelgov.org/displayContent.asp?NewsItemID=1315&Keyword=prnwChanging

Last but not least, she is married to Nixon's former special counsel after Watergate broke.
Leonard Garmet wrote:
http://www.bookreporter.com/reviews/0465026141.asp
Some speculate he may just be Deepthroat.

Lee H. Hamilton
http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/bio_hamilton.htm
-- He is also on the 9/11 comission.. guess he is Kissinger's stand in

Also on the homeland security advisory council
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Homeland_Security_Advisory_Council

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1994_cr/h940721-terror-is.htm

The Role of the Congress in US Foreign Policy - http://www.csis.org/html/sp98hamilton.html

Last Words: October Sunrise

Ralph J. Gerson
Sits on the Henry Ford Board of Trustees
http://www.hfmgv.org/about/mission.asp

He LOVES Globalization (check out his article on page 30 of the following link)
http://www.wdi.bus.umich.edu/publications/gp_pdf/gp_issue2_fall2002.pdf

Bio - http://www.consespain-usa.org/intro/biografias/ing/14.html

Matthew McHugh
From 1975 to 1992, McHugh represented the 27th and 28th Congressional Districts of New York. While in Congress, McHugh served on a number of committees and sub-committees, including the Appropriations Committee and the Arms Control and Foreign Policy Committee, which he chaired in the early 1980s.

Then, he became counselor to the president of the World Bank... WTF?

A speech: http://inside.binghamton.edu/September-October/16sept99/mchugh.html


It just leaves me spinning when I read all the information, I can barely tell which way is up and its all so intertwined and inbred. And then, when you get ass deep in links because you have been reading the information, sometimes the path gets convoluted..

Ill try to get something more concisive together. But if one can wade through any of this, I think they may get some of the picture that I do.

[madfloridian]

32. I have bookmarked that thread you linked.

I was going to read more of it and lost it. There is a lot of great research there. Thanks for sharing that, and I am going to read more of it.

[CivilRightsNow]

33. Yay!!!

You made my week.

Id love to hear your thoughts once you wade through them.

My opinion is that the think tanks truly are our government's outsourcing agency.. for instance, the CNS linked in that thread and the author of the plagerized thesis that Powell originally used as a reason for going to war. CNS is linked to NED, but besides that, the guy wasnt a student and the "school" is actually something akin to an intellectual school of the americas.. look at it's website.

Anyway, food for thought.

Im also open to being a tinfoil hat wearer. But the list of people that currently sit on the board at NED that I did outline are, for the most part, shady creatures... one has to wonder how NED cant be rotten with all dem apples.

Clark supporters like to post 10 good things that NED did in the last 20 years, when the incomplete list of its members shows more then 20 bad things that the current people in power have done.

Im not after Clark, Im just really scared that we are looking at two faces of the same beast. I really would love to be proven wrong. It would make the world seem alot less screwed up. It would make hope alot more easy to grasp.

I also think that one has to understand the whole Reagan link and the similarities between his religious leadership, his doctrines.. how he felt he was chosen and saved by God, just like GW.. to see amazing similarities with Bush and the cycle that seems to be repeating with PNAC. You also have to look at the sister organizations like the Heritage group and many others.

Anyway, thanks for giving it some thought.

Ill stop hijacking WRP's thread. Im sure that when this web is fully unspun it will be enough to write 20 books about, PNAC is just the beginning.

[T Roosevelt]

14. Added to Stephanie's PNAC Links Archive thread

:kick:

[DUreader]

18. you got a link for those links?

thanks

[T Roosevelt]

22. Here it is

PNAC Links Archive (Redux)

[Stephanie]

24. Thanks TR!

Thanks for all your posts to the Archive thread!

[Forkboy]

15. an appreciative kick

:kick:

[Lisa]

19. thanks Will! (n/t)

...

[Stephanie]

23. Thanks Will

I see they've just been added to the PNAC Archive:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=80

Write that book! America needs to hear it.

[Ksec]

25. Its very complicated

I looked thru the first site and I couldnt make heads nor tails of it. So its basically telling us that all these guys are involved in PNAC? If so its amazingly complex and would take a genuis to decipher. Well, at least someone a hell of a lot smarter than I am.

[MSchreader]

26. Project for the First People's Century

http://www.firstpeoplescentury.net/

Try this one, Will.

Martin

[stevedeshazer]

28. Yikes

I'll be busy all weekend.

[WilliamPitt]

29. I'll be busy all year...

:crazy:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

31. Well, when the book is done and you need a title..

call it "Evils That Be: The PNAC"

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. Outstanding, Will!! You may also want to look at the various....

...intelligence agencies and how they tie into the early roots of the flow chart. Here's are couple of books you may want to use as additional resources:

Honorable Treachery: A History of U.S. Intelligence, Espionage, and Covert Action from the American Revolution to the CIA
by George J. A. O'Toole
1991

Spying for America: The Hidden History of U.S. Intelligence
by Nathan Miller
1997

[DUreader]

35. kick