Will there be a revolt if Bush wins next year ?

[kentuck]

Will the vast number of people that despise this guy just let it ride for another 4 years, after what happened in 2000? After he came into office promising to be a "uniter, not a divider", he has divided the entire world. Never in our history have we had such an arrogant leader that was so ignorant of history itself. But he does understand politics and how to manipulate for political advantage. It is not just Karl Rove's genius. George Dubya Bush studied at the elbow of Lee Atwater also but obviously he forgot Mr Atwater's deathbed confession.

If he steals another election like the last, the people will not stand for it. There will be massive civil unrest. There will be riots. There will be labor unrest. Someone so despised by so many Americans will not be permitted to stay in our White House for another 4 years. They will vote him out or this nation will pay a price unlike any political price they have seen since Abraham Lincoln. We cannot remain divided without serious consequences. I hope the media understands this reality and starts reporting more fairly. Otherwise....

[maggrwaggr]

1. one word: BA-A-A-A-A-A-A!!!

That's a sheep, by the way.

The people of the United States are so anesthetized by television they wouldn't revolt even if you changed classic coke again.

They'll be told everything is great and they'll believe it.

Who in the US would get off their lazy ass to revolt?

[PaDUer]

33. The truth..

November 23, 2004

In the span of one weekend, the citizens of President Eduard Shevardnadze's Georgia managed to oust him from power over what they called "corruption, fixed elections, and social decline".

Now doesn't that make it sound like Shevardnadze had instilled George W.Bush's idea of western democracy (corruption, fixed elections, and social decline)? Apparently, not everyone shares Bush's enthusiasm over these principles, and not every country has citizens as apathetic as Americans are.

Try to imagine tens of thousands of exasperated American citizens storming the White House, demanding a change, and causing Bush to flee in fear. Don't try to imagine this for too long, because we all know that it will never happen in America.

But this story is so much bigger than the llttle press it is receiving. In Georgia, there was an administration rife with corruption, and a recent election that was obviously fixed, with the country suffering from ongoing social decline under its present administration - and the citizens themselves rose up and demanded change, and they got it! No debates in any Congress or Parliament, and no voting on a solution. The citizens just got organized and marched right down to the Parliament building and chased Shevardnadze out!

Full article--

http://www.newzmaniac.com/georgians.html

[forgethell]

2. I'm pretty sure a revolt

would divide the nation, also. And my guess would be that the Repukes are much better armed than we are. In any event, I'll be keeping out of it. You have fun.

Frankly, though, I don't think it will come to that.

[sasquatch]

3. We are due for another Civil War/Revolution

Thomas Jefferson said once "The tree of Liberty needs to occasionly be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants". Keep your powder dry my friend:(

[radfringe]

27. we're already in a civil war

the "uniter" has divided the country (divide and conquer?)

Red V Blue states
Liberal V Conservative
Democrats V Republicans
Rich V Poor
Black V White
Young V Old
Big Business V Employees

he's quick to take credit and even quicker to blame someone else - this is not a quality of a "leader" that seeks to unite - only for one that wants to divide

[_Jumper_]

4. No

But there may be an exodus of liberals to other nations.

[quinnox]

5. Not a chance

If Bush wins, there won't be any revolt. Things will flow along as usual.

[kentuck]

6. People have almost revolted already...

I can't imagine going thru 4 more years without some serious consequences.

[mlawson]

7. Was there a revolt on 12/13/2000????

I just remember the sickening sound of the Dem 'leadership' rolling over for it. Hell, 'we' couldn't even defeat the f-----g Medicare bill this week!!

[Skittles]

17. except for the black caucus

I'll never forget their courage

[mlawson]

20. That is right.

They are the heroes of our party. I have yet to see an adequate explanation of why the rest of the party let us down.

[DuctapeFatwa]

8. Any who manifest "unrest" will be considered terrorists and "dealt with"

either liquidated outright, or disappeared.

Head down, mouth closed, live longer.

[Wapsie B]

9. People in other parts of the world

would not stand for it, seeings how chimpy has pissed off just about everyone outside our shores. I could see foreign investment in this country plummeting in retaliation for putting him back in office.
The apolitical and the uninformed in the US won't care as long as they have a job to make the mortgage and car payments.

[Julien Sorel]

10. As long as the VCR works, the gas flows, and the food goes on

the table, no one really cares. The big lesson everyone should have learned from 2000 is that Americans are absolutely no different from any other people. They can be bought, bullied, and controlled the same as anyone else. When you can revolt with the push of a button, like changing channels on your TV, then I'll expect a revolt, not before -- it takes too much effort.

[quinnox]

11. Another thought

Put it this way, do you remember that picture of the freepers who organized some kind of protest and hardly anyone came? That's what any "revolt" would look like, a pitiful sight.

Hell, half of the population doesn't even vote anymore.

[DuctapeFatwa]

12. Only 25% vote - the top 25 income tier

roughly half of those eligible register, roughly half of those registered vote.

Any "unrest" will come from the bottom 75% non-voting, non-affluent majority, and the regime will deal with them in the same way they deal with people in Iraq and Afghanistan and Palestine who express "unrest"

[neverforget]

13. The only way I see a "revolt" is if the Constitution were totally

suspended. Otherwise, Americans are happy in their ignorant little world.

[mhr]

14. Revolution Is Possible!

Though I don't think it will happen next year unless the economy slides back into distress.

Eventually though, the little people and the dispossesed middle class will call the bluff and turn on the elite.

The blood letting will be viscious and extreme. I would expect public beheadings, etc.

Sadly, it could all be prevented if the corporations and elite would share the wealth and power.

The BFEE, as leaders of the the elite tribe, will never let that happen.

These people truly believe that they are better than the rest of us and therein lies the problem!

[booley]

Liek a frog in a pot

Most of the people I am sad to say simnply do not see what is going on and by the time they do, it will already be in place and they will simply accept it as too late to change now.
hell, most Americans still refuse to beleive what Shrub is doing. Krugman brought this up in his book when a majority of a focus group simply refused to beleive an accurate portrayal of the republican platform.

besides, I am not a fan of armed revolt. McViegh and the right wing nut jobs in the militais that we all like to make fun of think that way and no matter how bad I think Shrub is, I still can't justify to myself blowing up a government buiding with little kids inside..even if it would hurt an evil regime.
I have yet to meet a self described liberal that thinks differently from me. (though far too many cons for whom killing is an abstraction at best)

Short answer, no revolution until at Bush "wins" in 2008 at the soonest.

[Cleita]

15. If we have another attack like 9-11, there may be

a revolt. This would be twice under Bush's watch. Maybe the masses might wake up to the fact that the man is an ass and has done nothing to insure another attack would never happen again.

[Don_G]

16. I Think So

Given ANY excuse, Chimpy won't hesitat to declare martial law because of a "National Emergency" and proceed to loot the treasury to it's last nickel.

If and when that happens, there will be some blood shed.

[durutti]

18. Wishful Thinking

The fact is that the vast majority of Americans don't believe that Bush stole the presidency, don't think he's doing a terrible job, and don't question fundamentalisms like the "war on terrorism", "war on drugs", "free trade", etc.

In order for the left to be successful, we must capture the culture. We must saturate the streets, the concert halls, the theaters, the papers, the universities, and the airwaves with leftist thought. Only then will Americans recognize the absurdities surrounding them.

[mlawson]

22. Or they don't care.

I suspect that *most* Americans (aside from the RW core) believe at some level that the 2000 election was stolen. Many might say, "Oh yes, that is just politics; we HAD to have a president ready for January 20th!". Or some appalling shit like that, but basically, *most* really don't care what happened.

BUT: give these same people a bad call on their TEAM at the Superbowl, and they are ready to shoot the referee!!! It boggles the mind...

[PeakOil2008]

19. A Revolt will likely be global, economic.

I still don't sense the kind of unrest that would suggest a massive uprising at home against Bush, were he to be "re-installed" in 2004. All this news of a resurgent economy and the holiday shopping season will take people's minds off of next year's election for awhile.

Unfortunately, many of the same people will actually believe that they have a shot at finding a new job soon, and that the overall economic and social picture is improving for the United States. As long as they have HOPE (this being the key word), most of them will probably be willing to give Bush the benefit of their doubts come next November.

If there is any massive opposition to Bush and his Misadministration, it will almost certainly come from abroad, and in some ways, has already begun. Many countries that have for decades relied upon the US Dollar for transnational trading are now considering using another currency -- such as the Euro -- or even starting their own. There is a budding movement in the Middle East and Indonesia, for instance, to eventually unite under the Islamic Dinar. It's entirely likely that Asia and Latin America will also eventually unite under their own respective currencies. Any general shift to another currency amongst a group of nations has the potential to strike a massive, devastating blow to the US economy, even as it appears to be surging back.

The world will undoubtedly be watching the US to see if we will make a return to a progressive form of politics that is remniscent of President Clinton's eight years as the leader of the Free World. But if we should opt, by choice or otherwise, for four more years of Bush, the nations of the world will do all that they can to undermine Bush's Presidency and the US itself, at every turn.

[Spinoza]

21. "Will there be a revolt if Bush wins next year ?"

I suspect al "revolters" twould be faced with a nearly immediate and unanimous uniting of the Army, Marines, Navy, Airforce, CIA, FBI, State Militia and local police against the revolters. Also, if Bush can convince the American people he legitimately won the election, (he's done it before!) than even the huge majority of the American people would turn against the revolters. And the neo-cons would be delighted over the whole scene

For now, it's a no-go. Maybe a little rioting will be tolerated. But not much else.

[soothsayer]

23. i predict a military coup

i bet they're close to it now, deep inside

[Bucky]

24. Of course not, silly. We'll have 4 crappy more year & another shot in '08

n/t

[JaySherman]

25. I doubt it

Reinstating draft might cause civil unrest, depending on the circumstances, i.e. if there's not another major terrorist attack to scare the pants people ala Sept 11.

I highly doubt *'s re(s)election will though. The only way I could see it happening is if he blatanty loses and tries to hold on to the presidency through forceful measures (military or otherwise). Even then, IMO it would largely be the same crowd who marched against the Iraq War and we saw how effective that was in the end (before you flame, I marched in NYC).

Anyway, if it came down to rioting in the streets I'm fairly certain he'd just declare martial law anyway. Don't even want to think about that. :scared:

[tlb]

26. A bit on the melodramatic side.

I recall extreme right wingies in 1999 preaching how President Clinton under cover of Y2K was about to declare martial law, suspend the constitution, round up political enemies, and generally set himself and Hillary up as dictators for life. That sounded then as absurd as this does now.

Assuming a Bush win in 04, the 08 campaing begins immediately with Hillary annointed as designated savior. The only revolution I can imagine is the Deanies challenging her, for all the good it will do them.

[IndianaGreen]

28. More like an Exodus...

Who would want to live in a country under the yoke of the PATRIOT Act, reduced civil liberties for gays and lesbians, increased intrusion in the public arena by religious fundamentalism, and a permanent state of war like George Orwell's Oceania.

I can easily become a Canadian, despite the fact they have "GAWD" in their national anthem.

[Q]

29. The people will yawn...

...and turn over in their beds.

- While I share your dream that the people would 'suddenly' wake up...there is no sign of such a thing happening in New America.

- We remain divided because that's how the other side planned it.

[carrowsboy]

30. 9 to 5 drunk

Remember the old lush from the Fonda-Tomlin-Parton classic, 9 to 5.

I can just hear her now saying her infamous line, "Let's revolt."

[prolesunited]

31. My opinion is that the only revolution

we will see is on the part of the Repugs if THEY don't win. If it is close or something like 2000 happens again and it ends in favor of the Dem, they will be the ones in the streets.

Think about what they did in Florida and how they staged all those mini-revolts to prevent re-counting the votes. Think of the violent statements and threats that were in abundance on their Web sites during that time.

Civil war is possible but it won't be started by us.

[quaker bill]

32. Don't know about a revolt

But Bush* winning would be revolting.

[msmcghee]

34. No chance . . but . .

. . if by some chance Bush* loses, here's what will happen:

1) There will be Freeper riots and attacks on liberal politicians. (Financed by the RNC of course.)

2) Millions of citizens will take to the streets to counter-demonstrate in a last gasp effort to preserve what is left of our democracy.

3) They will be attacked by the Freepers.

4) The police will use crowd control, intimidation and beating and jailing of peaceful demonstrators to make it look like a major anarchist take over attemp. (Last week in Florida was a training event for that.) Authorities will claim that the rioters are being led by sleeper terrorist cells. Some major symbolic buildings and monuments will be bombed and linked to the demonstrators.

5) Marshall Law will be declared and a major Constitutional crisis will result.

6) For "the good of the nation" the election results will be cancelled and the Repukes will retain defacto control of the whole government.

7) We will be told such are the disasterous results of illegal liberal socialist attempts to subvert freedom and democracy. Seeing who has the guns and how willing they are to use them - most Americans will quietly denounce the few remaining Americans willing to identify as liberals - as malcontents and un-American traitors who deserve what they are getting "for being on the side of the terrorists".

8) Democratic leaders will be arrested for conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States. Remaining democrats will switch parties en masse - vocally proclaiming "What were we thinking" and proclaiming undieing loyalty to GWB and the BFEE.

9) A major intitiative to build hundreds of very large prison camps will provide long term storage and re-education for those who are stupid enough to voice nostalgia for the dangerous discredited notions of liberal political philosophy.

10) Thereafter, there will still be two parties: The vicious totalitarian Republican Thug Party that we all know and love today, and the New American Century party that will actually control all government processes. The Republican Party will become the Allan Combes figure - to preserve the appearance of dialogue and political entertainment for the masses. (Evangelical) Christian theology will become the defacto state religion.



Well, maybe not, but . .

[Unforgiven]

36. Funny...........

I've had similiar nightmares. :(

[msmcghee]

37. Yes, it is funny.

OTOH - A similar scenario has re-enacted itself repeatedly over the last 50 years throughout Latin America and many third world countries - as right-wing dictatorships have secured their grip on political power - aided by our CIA.

Perhaps it's not so far-fetched to imagine that they would be even more likely to use such tactics today if their newfound, almost complete grip on our governement in the US was realistically threatened.

They've never had this much power in their hands. Judging by the way they are wielding and further consolidationg that power today - I can't imagine that they will allow anyone or any future events - like elections - to take that power back from them.

Surely they know - that after what they have done - if they lose power now - they will be thoroughly discredited as the assholes they actually are. Assuming the dems do what they should do to them - they will not return to power for many decades.

I have no doubt they will do whatever is necessary to make sure that doesn't happen. There are too many trillions of dollars now at stake.

[guajira]

35. Last week I was at the Miami FTAA Demonstration...

and it was as close to a Military/Police State as I ever want to be. There were lines of fully equipped "Storm Troopers" blocks long keeping everyone herded into a small area. The downtown was deserted except for police and protesters and reporters.

Tour buses were directed away from the demonstration, so many protesters were not even allowed into the area of the amphitheater.

We were barricaded into a 'box' and if any rioting had started, we wouldn't have been able to escape out of the area!! We could have been shot like fish in a barrel. I believe B*/Asscroft would turn this country into a military state in a second in order to stay in power!!

I do believe if B* gets re-elected (god forbid!), there will be some Americans who will move to Canada, Mexico or Europe. I have been thinking seriously about Merida, Yucatan.