Shame on you Kerry and Lieberman!!

[Cascadian]

Shame on you both for failing to turn up to vote against the Medicare revamp. I also put pox on the houses of Democrats like Dianne Feinstein who cowtowed to the Republican/AARP/Pharmacutical juggernaut. And I don't want to hear from you mushy middle types that think "what choice did they have?". I am just sick! To make matters worse, many of these people cannot go to Canada for cheaper drugs. What a f---ing insult!


John

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. How ridiculous.

Kerry helped lead the filibuster against this bill. Lieberman also joined the effort. And you fault them for heading back to the campaign trail once the outcome was determined? :eyes:

[Cascadian]

2. This was a crucial vote.

Surely they could have taken a day of their time and voted against the thing. Come on!


John

[JI7]

4. edwards voted against it

do you support him for president now ?

[Cascadian]

5. I am still with Dean.

Edwards did the right thing but he is not getting the nomination.

John

[HFishbine]

19. Edwards

takes the lead in latest S.C. poll.

http://www.newsobserver.com/edwards/

[Feanorcurufinwe]

7. No, the cloture vote was the crucial vote. Once we lost that it was over.

Come on! get real.

You might want to try watching CSPAN-2 for a few thousand hours to get up to speed on how the Senate works.

[IndianaGreen]

18. Kerry voted for IWR even though his vote was not needed

Kerry thought that supporting Bush on IWR was more important than casting a vote against Bush's Medicare bill.

I agree with the original post that started this thread: Shame on Kerry and Lieberman, and double shame on Feinstein whose husband is a financial beneficiary of the Medicare bill.

[HFishbine]

20. Excellent Point

Eh, duhr, I, uh, well, we, um...

[roughsatori]

3. I'm with you. The Dems LET that pass and I am outraged

It has brought me to the point of wondering how much longer I can vote for any Democrat again. I was so depressed it signaled for me that the Democratic Party is barely breathing.

I have done advocacy work for Seniors and follow these things closely--yesterday I was so furious about this that I found myself day-dreaming about participating in armed revolution against the Dems and their cohorts the Republicans.

[Samantha]

12. A sincere question: Did the Dems in fact allow this to pass?

knowing it would be an excellent tool to use against Bush* in the 2004 election? Think about it. Could a better political PR weapon have been found?

I saw a picture of Bush* gloating on the front page of the Washington Post. My immediate reaction was the Democrats are going to use this legislation as a weapon against Bush.* They have a year to campaign against it. By the time they finish with Bush,* his political future will be history! Only one-third of the seniors wanted this bill passed. Many are savvy enough to realize this is the beginning of the end of traditional Medicare. The two thirds who were against the passage of this legislation will be voting for the Democratic candidate. I think the Dems might have outsmarted Rove on this, but they have put our future retirement safety nets out from under us in the process.

It was smart of Kerry and Lieberman to not vote on this issue. Now their positions cannot be a wedge used against them by Bush* during his 2004 campaign.

The undoing of the damage could be found in a single-payer health insurance plan for all -- such as the one several candidates are recommending.

I eagerly await the "Poison Pill" and "Trojan Horse" discourses. I want to hear Bush* defend an indefensible piece of legislation while simultaneously asking people for their votes....

[roughsatori]

15. This bill will work for Bush*, it will win him votes

The negatives of the Bill will not show up in actual life until after the election. The Democratic Party lost this one and there no pretending otherwise. They were derelict in their duty--as they were with IWR and The Patriot Act.

[mazzarro]

17. That is always the pipe-dream of centrist Democrats - hoping

that the party leaders will be "smart" enough to use bad and/or dubious *publican legislations/crony actions in campaign againts *publicans. But this never happens. I am begining to suspect that our Democratic leaders have either sold us out, surreptitiously, or they don't know "jack" about the situation the party is in.

[DrFunkenstein]

6. Whatever

This is bullsh*t and you know it. There are only a few weeks left before the primaries, and Kerry skipped out of a major debate to be there for the filibuster. He went through the Congressional procedures until it was clear that the GOP had the necessary Dem votes to pass it.

Damn that Kerry for betraying us all!!! Give me a friggin' break. Go invent some other issue.

[democratreformed]

8. Whatever is right

No matter what someone does, someone else will find something wrong with it.

But, remember, all that matters is how much money a candidate has anyway. (sarcasm off)

[Bombtrack]

16. exactly

real surprise that the author is a Dean supporter

[HFishbine]

21. Bombast

Want to see another surprising post from a Dean supporter? Try #16.

[kiahzero]

9. It was a logical move

Should either become the nominee, a no vote would be used as a cudgel in the General Election by the Republicans.

[JNelson6563]

22. Bingo!!

Thank you for noting the sense of today's conventional political thinking.

Vote with the boy king or get out of his way so that he and his henchmen cannot beat you with it later.

Reminds me of about a year ago when this strategy was in full swing. Not only did Jr get his war in Iraq but look at the GDP! It sure costs a lot to re-build a nation after you bomb the heck out of it! If not for the war the WH would not have fabu numbers to put out.

Yeah, good strategy. Don't vote "no" if it spoils things for the boy king, whatever you do. That might be *gasp* unwise.

Oy!

Julie

[dusty64]

10. How about the Big Oil

welfare, I mean energy plan. If I'm not mistaken it was killed by ONE vote for now at least, and Kerry was no where to be found. Supposedly this was one of Kerry's pet issue and it easily could have passed without some repubs crossing over. Another nail in Kerry's Presidential coffin for me, no leadership qualities whatsoever. I believe Edwards skipped this one too. Lieberman, to his credit (I'll give it when its due) managed to show up for the job he is PAID to do.

[Cascadian]

11. Both Kerry and Lieberman went in front of the cameras.

To declare they were against this is and bailed when it really counted. I have no respect for these docile Democrats that chicken out when actions speak louder than words! They are the undoing of the Democratic Party as a viable opposition party.

John

[DrFunkenstein]

14. "When It Really Counted"

Um, the whole point was that their votes didn't count.

[IndianaGreen]

24. How do you explain Kerry's vote on IWR?

Kerry's vote was not needed for passage. How did Kerry find the time to vote FOR Bush's war, but didn't have the time to vote AGAINST Bush's Medicare?

[Monte Carlo]

25. It wasn't campaign season then, for one.

There's a lot of work for Presidential candidates right now, and despite what others think, some of us aren't ready to hang it up.

[Monte Carlo]

26. Does the filibuster and cloture mean nothing?

No one goes into these Senate votes and ends up suprised about the vote count. Why cast an irrelevant vote for a loss when there's campaigning to be done?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

13. Yep, you're mistaken

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00456

[dusty64]

23. I'm mistaken?

I think not. The bill was killed by ONE vote, one repub switching would have allowed this dirty porkfest to have passed.

Vote Counts: YEAs 57
NAYs 40
Not Voting 3


Not Voting - 3
Edwards (D-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Kerry (D-MA)

Please explain to me how I was wrong?