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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 09:54 PM
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Poppy's views on premarital sex
Why the Minneapolis Star Tribune chose to inflict this story on us today is beyond me.

My mom who was also 18 in 1942 was spitting tacks all day over this. She moved up to "the cities" in the summer of '42 and was working in an office. She was most upset over what Poppy had to say about the girls in Minneapolis back then. She was particularily worried because she was a princess in that summer's Aquatennial celebration and they had had Navy cadets escort the princesses during various activities and she was afraid she might have had some contact with the "old jerk". After I read the article, I was able to comfort her with the news that Poppy was not here in the summer. Actually, by the time he hit town, Mom had gone out to L.A. to live with her aunt and was working in Studio city. She was most relieved, but still peeved about his attitude.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/468/4237110.html

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MINNEAPOLIS - George H.W. Bush was 18 when he spent Thanksgiving Day in Minnesota and could not know then that he would become the 41st president of the United States. But the Navy cadet at Wold-Chamberlain Field in Minneapolis wrote dozens of letters home that reveal his enthusiasm for flying, his growing appreciation of his family's privileges and other values that re-emerged later in his career.

His letters, mostly to his mother, Dorothy, describe not only Minnesota's below-zero weather but his worries about money, his fear of washing out of training and a close call during a night exercise. They also describe visits to well-to-do Twin Cities-area households such as the Pillsburys' and his appreciation for his own family, especially during a Thanksgiving far from home.

One candid letter to his mother dealt with premarital sex.

"I would hate to find that my wife had known some other man, and it seems to me only fair to her that she be able to expect the same standards from me," Bush wrote. "Most fellows here - true, some are engaged and some believe as I do - but most fellows take sex - as much as they can get.

"This town (Minneapolis) in particular seems full of girls (working in offices etc), rather attractive girls at that, who after a couple of drinks would just as soon go to bed with some cadet. They are partly uniform-conscious, I suppose, but the thing is they, as well as the cadets, have been brought up differently. They believe in satisfying any sexual urge by contact with men. They all say 'I'm not that type of girl, but alright - just for you!' Every single girl says this."

He closed: "To think all this was brought on by your asking me what I thought about kissing." He signed it with his family nickname, "Pop," to which he added: "professor of 'sexology' PH.D."

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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 10:56 PM
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1. hmmm, not surprising...
I'm sure the whole family is a bunch of warped, sexually frustrated "preverts". Must be the in-bred thing....
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:07 PM
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5. My mother says she thinks it was
"touching" (then she gagged) that Poppy was worried about being vamped by wicked city women. Especially given what Minneapolis was like in 1942. It was quite unusual in those days to even meet someone from another state (outside of the Dakotas, Wisconsin and Iowa). Heck, even when I was a kid, our New York license plates would attract attention when we were back here on vacation.

She figures Georgie, Sr. was covering his own bad behavior. A lot of those "girls" working in offices were fresh from small towns (like Mom). She says she can't believe how incredibly naive they all were in those days. Her personal opinion is that those "Navy boys" would impress the girls with their tales of the east of west coasts and do their best to see how drunk they could get those girls and then....

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:02 PM
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2. Sure passed those values on to Neil, din't he?
Never had any luck selling his screenplay "Minneapolis Girls are EASY", either...
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 12:50 AM
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10. I was gonna say, "How's he feel about EXTRA-marital sex?"
And making babies with women other than one's wife? I wonder how they feel about "Neilsie?" Neil's wife called Bar for comfort when Neil informed her by e-mail that he wanted a divorce. Bar replied, "Well, that's between you and Neilsie," and wouldn't have anything more to do with her.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:05 PM
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3. He wrote that to his mother?
Huh.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:13 PM
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7. Mom was a little taken aback by that herself
Her mother died at the age of 92, when Mom was 66, and they never had a chat about sex except for a very uncomfortable chat the night before my parents were married. Mom says if she hadn't known what was going to happen on her wedding night before grandma talked to her, she wouldn't have known after. (The upside of this was that my mother decided her daughter would not be ignorant about such things and would not get misinformed by friends - Granny would have swooned if she knew the things my mother told me. Including her opinion that the Church's attitude toward sex and birth control has probably ruined a lot of marriages.)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:07 PM
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4. I'm glad I saw that headline BEFORE I had my turkey dinner
Having attended Bush's alma mater (as a graduate student), I have trouble believing that an 18-year-old preppy hadn't gotten it on with one of the family servants or with some prepette after a mixer.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:10 PM
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6. "professor of 'sexology' PH.D"
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 11:17 PM by Minstrel Boy
Ten years ago, at the 1988 Republican Convention, Hartford Courant associate editor David Fink struck up a conversation with George W. Bush. “When you’re not talking politics,” Fink asked the vice president’s son, “what do you and your father talk about?”
“Pussy,” George W. replied. http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemId=9010

The "Doctor" is in, baby! Yeah! :puke:
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:19 PM
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8. I'm happy to see what "all" women are like.
"They all say 'I'm not that type of girl, but alright - just for you!' Every single girl says this.""

How did he remain a virgin with "every single girl" throwing herself at him?

I have standards, too, and I wish he would have remained a virgin.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 12:18 AM
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9. How about post-marital sex? Does the name Jennifer mean anything?
You f*cking hypocrite.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 12:55 AM
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11. Jennifer wasn't from Minneapolis?
:shrug:
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