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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:19 AM
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Should Kerry remind voters he voted to cut Medicare spending?
"The debate’s high point came when Kerry no fewer than six times pressed Dean to answer the question of whether as president he would seek to reduce the rate of growth of Medicare.

Dean deftly avoided giving a direct answer, at one point changing the topic by saying, “What I intend to do in Medicare is to increase reimbursements for states like Iowa and Vermont....”

Kerry refused to let go, saying, “You still haven’t answered the question.”

Reporters had no better luck in the post-debate spin room. When one reporter asked Dean again whether he’d reduce Medicare’s growth rate, Dean replied, “I said Medicare was off the table, cuts in Medicare are off the table.”

How about the rate of growth? the reporter persisted.
“Cuts in Medicare are off the table,” Dean repeated.





Balanced Budget Act - Conference Report



Bill Number: HR 2015
Issue: Budget
Date: 07/31/1997
Sponsor:


Roll Call Number: 0209
Conference report adopted
Full Member List


Senator John Forbes Kerry voted YES.

Vote to adopt the conference report on a bill to provide for a balanced budget by 2002. The bill reduces spending by $270 billion over 5 years, including reductions of $115 billion in the rate of growth of Medicare spending, and $140 billion in discretionary spending reductions. The bill includes $24 billion in block grants to the states to provide health insurance to uninsured low income children, partially funded by an increase in the tobacco tax; restores Medicaid and SSI benefits to children as well as legal immigrants in the country before the passage of the welfare reform bill; expands Medicare preventive care coverage; and expands the type of health plans available to Medicare recipients including allowing some Medical Savings Accounts, among other provisions.

HR 2015: The Balanced Budget Act

Vote to adopt the joint House-Senate conference report of the bill to balance the budget by 2002 by reducing spending by $270 billion over five years. The bill includes provisions to reduce the rate of growth of Medicare spending by $130 billion over five years, mainly through reducing reimbursements to health care providers. It also increases Medicare preventive care coverage, including mammograms for women over 40, and expands the kind of health plans available to Medicare recipients, including allowing up to 390,000 people to choose Medical Savings Accounts. Over five years the bill increases Medicare Part B premiums up to $60 per month, provides $1.5 billion to help low income people pay their Medicare premiums, and reduces Medicaid spending by $13 billion. The bill provides $24 billion to the states for health insurance for low income uninsured children, partially financed by a gradual 15-cent increase in the tobacco tax. The bill restores SSI and Medicaid coverage to disabled children, and to legal immigrants who were in the country before the passage of the 1996 welfare reform act. The bill also requires discretionary spending reductions of $140 billion over five years, among other provisions.
(Conference report adopted 85-15 on 7/31/97)

Bill Status:
Bill Number: HR 2015 - 105th Congress (1997-98)
House Passage Vote: 06/25/97 - Outcome: Passed
Senate Passage Vote: 06/25/97 - Outcome: Passed
House Conference Report Vote: 07/30/97 - Outcome: Passed
Senate Conference Report Vote: 07/31/97 - Outcome: Passed
Presidential Action: Signed on 08/05/97
Public Law Number: 105-33 111 Stat. 251





http://vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=1392&can_id=S0421103


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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:21 AM
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1. No, but you should.
:)
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:24 AM
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2. Kerry didn't vote on the
republican medicare bill that passed, neither did Lieberman.
:eyes:
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DPG Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:39 AM
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15. Did Kerry or Lieberman explain?
I have not heard why Kerry or Lieberman did not vote on the Medicare bill. Has anyone heard about that? Have their excuses been printed anywhere?
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:14 AM
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17. Note the date.
His vote in 1997 is at question here.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:24 AM
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3. This kind of thread is the least productive on DU
Negative campaigning for your candidate can only bring you some petty emotional comfort when fellow supporters agree with you--I don't see what else there is to gain.

I'm sorry that you feel you have to spend your time this way.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:32 AM
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4. It's germane.
Edited on Fri Nov-28-03 03:39 AM by sfecap
Kerry raised the question. His record should be examined.

Sorry you disagree.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:24 AM
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18. Your post was ignorant of the context, just sort of a "gotcha"
Edited on Sat Nov-29-03 01:39 AM by jpgray
The "yes" vote on that Medicare bill was essentially one for fiscal responsibility, to cut back on the deficit, in accordance with some things like taxes on cigarettes, etc.

I like Dean, but this thread was devoid of any pure intent, you just wanted a "gotcha" moment. The most you could dredge up was a tough-choice vote from 6 years ago, that in fact had little to do with any drastic and dangerous change in Medicare, as you imply. Think of your own hypocrisy, since so many Dean supporters (rightly) argue that Dean's comments on raising the retirement age in 1995 do not necessarily have a lasting mark on his current policies. I could easily post Dean's comments from that year and cry "hypocrisy", but I prefer not to get too involved in these idiotic threads. As Dean can grow from previously held views, so can other candidates. But of course to post a bash thread, one must necessarily have a black and white view of the field.

We should be all friends here, but as long as some act like DU is some sort of arena, the place is always full of the laughter of Republicans. If you have some criticism you think is worthy, think about it for more than two minutes so you have some small concept of what you are talking about.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:35 AM
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14. Yes, those damn facts and vote records are terribly unproductive
I see your point. All too clearly.

Eloriel
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:12 AM
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16. Do I detect a note of sarcasm?
:eyes:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:25 AM
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19. So "no" was the correct vote on HR 2015? (nt)
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:46 AM
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5. Dean's spokesperson says this cut made Medicare stronger
Not sure if her statement is factually correct, since I thought Congress restored the 1997 cuts, which would seem to be an admission they didn't make the program stronger. It would appear Kerry has learned it's unwise to make such cuts. Dean, apparently, is still considering them.

http://desmoinesregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/22436662.html

<edit>

Dean, who was chairman of the National Governors Association in 1995, has said his goal was to keep Medicare solvent. He contends he shared President Clinton's position on Medicare reform, culminating in a 1997 budget plan providing for $115 billion in Medicare savings.

"The truth is that Governor Dean supported restricting the growth in spending because we needed a balanced budget," said Sarah Leonard, Dean's Iowa spokeswoman. "If that step hadn't been taken, Medicare wouldn't be as strong as it is today."

more...

Note: Leon Panetta said Dean mischaracterizes his position on the cuts.

http://www.msnbc.com/local/mul/M329798.asp

<edit>

"Absolutely I'm not backing away from the statement," Dean responded. "That's exactly what we did, and let me - and Bill Clinton signed the bill in 1997."

Panetta said yesterday, "I heard Dean imply that (the Republican proposal) was the plan that was ultimately put into place in 1997. But that actually was the very plan we were opposing in negotiations and it should not be confused with the Clinton plan. We were clearly opposed to the Domenici position and the Republican position."

Panetta said the plan ultimately passed into law in 1997 was projected to reduce Medicare spending growth by $115 billion, as part of a balanced budget compromise, "and since then the Congress has backed away even from those cuts."

more...
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:51 AM
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6. Ya just gotta love politics! LOL.
Edited on Fri Nov-28-03 03:52 AM by sfecap
:-)

The fact is that Kerry voted to reduce Medicare spending, in order to balance the budget. (Of course there were a couple of good things in that Bill, too...) Now he "accuses" Dean of considering the same thing.

Just gotta love it!
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:58 AM
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7. Not sure I love it all that much, but the issue would seem to be
where they currently stand (I know some people on this board don't like to revisit positions going back into the '90s). Dean refuses to say. Seems like voters have a right to know what Dean would do with the Medicare growth rate if elected. Would he return to the harsh measures Republicans advocated when he stood with Senator Dominici? Or would he be less harsh? Or would he be even harsher in his efforts to balance the budget? Seems a fair question. Not sure why he refuses to answer it.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:01 AM
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8. Cant we just support Kucinich y'all
Edited on Fri Nov-28-03 04:09 AM by JohnKleeb
Knowing him I bet he has a good record on medicare, yawn sorry too tired to research now and I dont know his view on it off the top of head. Sorry being a wiseass but its my of getting points across. Now I did find his stance on medicare from his house website.
http://www.house.gov/kucinich/issues/health.htm#Medicare
"Congressman Kucinich believes that funding for Medicare must be preserved and that further cuts in the program would be harmful to Medicare recipients who deserve quality care. Congressman Kucinich voted against the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 because of its proposed Medicare cuts. The bill increased Part B Medicare premiums. He has written to the President objecting to any further cuts in the Medicare program. Currently, there are many proposals being made to save this program. However, recently health maintenance organizations (HMOs) have started to cut benefits or dump Medicare coverage entirely in an effort to increase profits. This means that millions of seniors may be left with little or no coverage. This is unacceptable. Kucinich supports only those measures which safeguard the health care benefits of our elderly citizens and provide stability for Medicare's health care providers"

:shrug: just saying.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:08 AM
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9. That's my preferred solution.
Hope enough Democrats agree with you before it's too late.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:13 AM
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10. I hope so too
btw I just edited it Karma, there should be more info to his house site now. I am serious though, I seen people who absolutely cant get along because of the in candiate fighting say positive and agree with a lot of what Kucinich has to say but they agree that Kucinich has some of the best damn views in the race. I was being a wiseass but curious at heart, I am told that Kucinich would have a hard time with the party, but it seems that the candiates supposely more suitable are more polarizing, anyways hes too short although hes only an inch or two smaller than Dean or Clark the two frontrunners. Waitin for that presidency to come on along, I just wish people realized this.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:08 AM
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12. As usual, JK, you're right.
Kucinich gets dismissed as unelectable on height etc, but he'd be dismissed as unelectable even if he looked like Robert Redford. Same would happen to anyone willing to insist the United States is about something more than government of the corporations, by the coporations, for the corporations.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:11 AM
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13. Yeah
Seriously though, I've seen that, people who share different candiates and dont get along because of that but I see em talk about Kucinich in a very postive way, "why cant we be friends" heh :D. I hope I am right about the primary :D.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 05:47 AM
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11. It's SCHIP
It's a budget, there's good and bad in every budget. This created health insurance for low income children, you know, SCHIP. That program that helped Howard increase coverage in Vermont so he could have a campaign platform. Thanks for finally bringing it to the light of day. Howard supported this bill too.

The question is, what is going to happen in the future? Howard says he isn't going to cut Medicare but that's not the question. Reducing the rate of growth cuts Medicare. If Howard is planning on doing that, he needs to say so and he needs to say how. He won't answer that question because he's trying to pretend he's going to leave Medicare alone by not 'cutting' Medicare and then turn around and act as if slowing growth is something else.

I know that Kerry supports reducing costs, whatever, through prescription drug bargaining and improved technologies. I also know that he's introduced legislation to improve doctor payments, training, rural repayment and other issues that this budget affected. The difference between Dean and Kerry is that Kerry will tell you the truth about what he's going to do and not play word games.

Like "I GUARANTEE every American with health coverage". There's gaps to start with, everybody won't be covered. But beyond that, he's only guaranteeing access at the most, not coverage. I wonder how many people would be shocked if Howard magically became President and they didn't get that free health care they think they're going to get.
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