On CNN: Many Iraqi's Upset W/ Bush's Visit

[Cush]

Nick Robertson in Iraq:

Many said that the fact he didn't even leave the airport compound goes to show how poor the security is. Some said it meant nothing, nothing in Iraq has changed (security wise).

One man said that next time he should announce his visit, then the people will show how they really feel (meaning protests). He's resposible for the poor state of the country.

Even more said they were insulted. In their culture it's considered an insult to show up un-announced

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Hmm, I wonder if CNN is pissed that Bush left them behind?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. According to MSGOP...

there were protests to oppose terrorists and support Bush.


:puke:

[Cush]

3. Lol

yeah, the people didn't even know he was there, yet the have a rally to support him?


MSNBC shows it's colors

[hlthe2b]

2. Well, I hope for our military's sake...

this doesn't result in more antagonism and violence directed at our troops. Given the apparent simmering anger there already, it wouldn't take much to boil over...

[enough]

4. Of course they are right.

This move was monumentally insulting to the Iraqis, as well as to the troops of the occupation. It showed how unserious he is about it, that the entire situation has no importance to him, no reality, except as it effects his own political situation.

If he was serious about going there, he should have gone to talk with Iraqis and US military people about how the situation can be improved for everyone.

But of course he ISN"T serious, which is not news to us.

[forgethell]

5. I have really got a problem.

I continually see posts saying that Bush should endanger himself so that people can show how much they disagree with him. Or that he should resign because his policies suck. Or that he should do this, or that, whatever that we, his enemies wish he would do to show what a total moral leper he is.

And my problem is that this all comes off like the impotent rantings of little children to me, and, I think, to countless other Americans that might be inclined to support progressive policies, but get disgusted by the progressives they see and hear. (this, by the way, is a general rant, by no means directed against this post; it just brought the thought to mind.)

See, we keep saying that Bush* doesn't have a mandate, that he lost the popular vote, etc. Well, that and 5 bucks will buy you a cup of latte. He IS in power. He holds the office of the Presidency. And that IS his mandate. It is ridiculous for us to assume that he will listen to us. Why should he? It's not like we sould listen to him if the roles were reversed. I know there is an occassional need to vent against the injustice of the 2000 election, and the humiliation that the American public doesn't seem to give a damn about it. But we waste time and energy on this. He is not going to take our feeleings or ideas into consideration unless we have the power to force him to. Which means winning an election.

I don't know. I enjoy this board. There are lots of interesting ideas floating around on it. But the prevalence of the idea tha Bush is, or even should, co-operate in his own political suicide because we want him to, is, well, depressing. It is depressing because it shows to me that we haven't got the determination to win the election. we're more at the "God will get you for that" stage. we have not made serious plans.

OK, that's it for the rant. I have to do it too, sometimes. And I know that there are serious people out there plotting and planniing to turn Bush out of office.

[vision]

6. it never stoppped GOP

Yes there is a razor's edge that has to be trode but if the Dems don't complaign and speak out than the public think the Repubs must be correct as nobody opposes them.

I don't think that anybody expects Bush to cooperate in his own political suicide but that doesn't mean that we should be his Nursie and agree with everything that he says (Nursie from Black Adder). If we don't oppose him at every opportunity and at every chance than we will never win.

[forgethell]

8. I have no objection

to pointing ot his faults, criticizing his plans, etc. If you want to disparage his parentage back 7 generations, that's OK, too. what bothers me is that some people, at least this is the impression that I get, actually expect that if they call for his resignation, eventually, he'll just sigh, and say, Oh, well, if that's what the people want, I'll just resign, and turn myself in to the ICC."

Cripes, whatever we think, Bush thinks that he is RIGHT. Not only that, so do a lot of other people. So, I just hate to see progressives making themselves look foolish and childish. We need all the advantages we can get.

For instance,we have candidates calling for Bush not to campaign on the Gulf War. they get frantic that Bush is questioning their patriotism. Well, that is his one strong point. Despite all our efforts, it has held up well for him with he electorate. and,why should he give up any advantage that he has. After all, as we know here, they want to win. It's ridiculous to expect him to tie one hand behind his back. Especially as we keep pounding him on the war, as we should.

But when you take a swing at a man, then it is a little late to tell him not to get mad, even if he is big enough to crush you.

In short, I do not think it is a mature, considered strategy to criticize him on this point and not expect him to respond. The fact that we, and our leaders, can think of nothing better disturbs me greatly. I am not saying to stop criticizing him, I only think we should anticipate hs responses and have a suitable response.

[liberalnurse]

7. The visit must of

triggered their PTS issues from Saddam. A dictator who is surrounded my his military.