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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:32 PM
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Dean raises party's anxiety.
"Democratic leaders and advisers say there is growing anxiety about the prospect of antiwar candidate Howard Dean becoming their presidential nominee next year, which has triggered talk of a "stop Dean" movement in the party.
These Democrats say that the concerns center in large part on Mr. Dean's bitter opposition to the war in Iraq that, they maintain, will make their party look weak on national security and the war on terrorism in next year's presidential election. "

SNIP....""This country wants to know that whoever is elected president understands the importance of protecting our national security. While there may be one path to winning the nomination, it's a very different path to winning the presidency," he said.
Mr. Panetta's carefully worded remarks reflect widening fears among Democratic leaders here and elsewhere in the party — especially in the South — who say that Mr. Dean is too liberal, not just in his opposition to using military force to topple Saddam Hussein but in his call for repealing all of the Bush tax cuts, imposing regulations on businesses, erecting new trade-protection rules and favoring civil unions for same-sex "marriages."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031128-100828-7200r.htm
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:35 PM
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1. The Washington TIMES?!?!?!?!?!?
Was the newest edition of "The Week in Fascism" not available online yet? :eyes:
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:42 PM
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9. Attacking the messenger
doesn't change the message.

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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:54 PM
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19. Look at Rule #3.
:hi:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:35 PM
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2. Dean would help his cause a lot
if he started voicing opposition to the Bush so called policy on N. Korea.

If he had a regional strategy for the Middle East that was not resource extraction based.

If the deployment schedule for forces became rearward based back in the states.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:36 PM
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3. Blah blah blah
Just because he was against the war doesn't mean he (or anybody else who was against it) wouldn't know how to wage one. Too bad these morons can's see past this and accept that America is not supposed to be a warmongering nation...
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:36 PM
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4. Ahem
When a candidate is nominated I will support that candidate without reservation or criticism. I will expect the same from these smug Beltway insiders.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:37 PM
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5. The Moonie Times!
Don't believe it.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:38 PM
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6. "Talk" of a stop Dean movement?
Someone hasn't been paying attention.

If Dean is too liberal, one day I guess he'll just stop gaining that awesome momentum he's got going and we'll have a different candidate. No need for anxiety.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:39 PM
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7. If true, I'm changing my voter registration
I'm dead set against leaving the party, but if what that article says is accurate, I'm gone. Think about it.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:45 PM
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12. It happens like clock work
Every four years political insiders who have a vested interest in not having the current front runner be the eventual nominee raise red flags about what will happen if the current front runner does become the nominee. Then there is talk about a "Stop so and so" movement. It is hard to promote such efforts as essentially being self serving, so instead they are promoted as selfless concern for the good of the party. Everyone does it to varying extents. If Dean were not the current front runner SOME of his supporters would be involved in some version of this. Hold your fire untill you see if and how the party actively unites around whoever is nominated and IF they are willing to work hard for him.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:48 PM
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14. absolutely.... If Dean is too liberal, it means
that the Democratic party has become RepubLite...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:50 PM
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18. It's been that way for years
It took a semi-centrist like Dean to prove it...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:49 PM
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17. Did Dean insiders launch a Stop Kerry movement?
Did Rove's media launch a Stop Kerry movement?

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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:56 PM
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21. They didn't have to,
Kerry has run a lame campaign. And he thought he had things sown up so he did not really try to challenge Dean, and now it's too late.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:40 PM
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8. Oh, crap, Dean too liberal!!! Oy vey!!!
Sheeze, for The Washington Times Attlia The Hun's too liberal!

BTW, is Bush a Moonie?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:45 PM
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10. The question is
not where the item was published, but if those things have been said.

Whatever YOU may think about the paper, people buy and read it.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:55 PM
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20. Read Rule #3...
... before you paste crap from a RW whore paper in GD.

:hi:
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:02 PM
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23. Since I'm Canadian
I have no way of knowing what YOU consider a 'RW whore paper'.

And I have no bias over who you're backing for president, since I don't vote in the US.

I posted the info, so you'd be informed about what is being said.

If you choose to put blinders on, you only harm yourself.
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:45 PM
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11. sounds like part of that wierd Clinton conspiracy the right wing has
You know, the Clintons control Clark because Dean isn't part of the Terry McAuliffe cabal, and it's all tied into a plan to install Hillary in 2008, blah blah blah.

Dunno who made that one up but they all seem to believe that crap.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:45 PM
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13. more accurate
Dean is giving the republican party anxiety.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:48 PM
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15. good, if it's true.
Although it should read "raises party bigwigs' anxiety". Anything that makes the clueless and the damned anxious sounds good to me.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:49 PM
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16. The party machinery NEEDS to be anxious
Many of us are tired of the Dem party not standing for anything anymore or being GOP lite. Democratic candidates can no longer do the same old sh*t and get elected anymore. Dean and our campaign has changed it all - the genie is out of the bottle. oops!!
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:58 PM
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22. Dean is doin it right
and I am damn proud of him!

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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:04 PM
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24. Like the south or the military would vote democratic anyway
Sorros gave Panetta some cash so now he's the massa?

step & fetcher
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