Straw poll of Democratic Presidential Candidates

[bobthedrummer]

Vote your choice.

[Kahuna]

1. Again, Bob? You posted one last week and Clark won..

over Dean by 70+ votes.

[bobthedrummer]

2. Yes, another one blogs be damned

eom

[Kahuna]

11. Stewing up those sour grapes early today...

:7

[AmericanDem]

48. yep

:kick:

[ClassWarrior]

29. Repeat after me...

"I will vote for whichever of these fine Americans becomes the nominee..."

Say it loud, say it often. For all our health.

[bobthedrummer]

3. About Dennis Kucinich link

http://www.kucinich.net/aboutdennis.htm

[KharmaTrain]

4. With No Real Presidential Primary I'll Stay Local...

Short of Lieberman, there isn't a major Democratic nominee (Kerry, Clark, Dean and Gephardt) that I won't support 1000% in throwing out this usurper in both leg work and check writing.

Right now I want to work locally; builing up the party infrastructure for the races Democrats really need to win: House seats. And in many districts it's pitiful what's going on with the Democrats trying to establish a party aparatus to counter entrenched, crony Repugnicans.

There needs to be a reform of the primary system as my state, Illinois, never has mattered in a Presidential primary in 20 years. I'd favor a national primary where everyone votes on the same day (part of drastically shortening the electoral process...California showed you can pull off a major election in 90 day) replacing the useless convention and consentrating needed dollars and resources to defeating Repugnicans.

[knight_of_the_star]

31. Good luck

I'm still going to do work for Clark, but regardless of who wins I'm going to be organizing people to help out the democratic campaigns in the house in SD county. DTH (and any other SoCal DUers for that matter), if you are reading this, maybe we can coordinate on a SD-LA effort to throw the pukes out of the people's house!

[MoonRiver]

5. Clark pulling ahead again!

:D

[robbedvoter]

6. Clark - just having been brilliant on Britzer's show

"The time has passed when Dems can win elections based solely on the economy"

[wiley]

26. Blitzer,Man!

It's Wolf Blitzer. Wesley Clark was the supreme commander of the interview. I was very impressed. Have you read Thomas Friedman's OP-ED in NYTimes today? Wesley Clark has said that many times. By the way, some of us don't dislike Howard Dean at all. We just don't think he's the better choice for President.

President Wesley K. Clark!



You better take my words right,you stupid Fox!
:spank:

[RandomUser]

7. Whoa -- Clark over 50%?

Am I seeing this right? Is this the first time a candidate has had over 50% on DU? I wonder if this will last. I hope so :)

[mdmc]

56. 47% as of 12-1-03 noon

[evil_orange_cat]

8. I like Dean better but...

Clark is more electable... because my goal is to get rid of Bush, I'm willing to take Clark over Dean. But some things about Clark bother me...

Clark supports a Constitutional amendment banning the burning of the American flag.

Clark's involvement in Kosovo (the immoral and unjust war the left doesn't talk about... but I don't want to get into this here...)

Clark's corporate connections and political connections to Clintonians.

I like Dean because he's more of an outsider... a renegade Democrat... and because he seems to be the only genuinely angry guy. Normally, I wouldn't think anger is a good thing, but Bush is absolutely evil and is taking America to hell. No one in their right mind can not be angry at Bush.

I'm going to vote for Clark because I want the candidate that has the best chance of winning. But my heart lies with Dean. That was the story with me in 2000. I voted for Gore, but my heart was with Nader.

ANYONE BUT BUSH! :D

[Kahuna]

9. Clark is a work in progress and knows that he does not..

have legislative experience. If you have concerns about Clark I think you should contact the campaign and voice them. I have found the campaign to be very receptive to suggestions and feedback.

[FrenchieCat]

10. But Dean signed an anti consecration

Flag burning law in Vermont. So that point doesn't really make Dean better than Clark in that area. Kucinich and Gephardt voted affirmative on the Flag amemdment in the house, both.

The others who are in the Senate have not had to vote for that amemdment, so it's easy for them to say they wouldn't.

Clark doesn't have to vote or has not signed a law...but he is being honest about it, as usual.

Then he takes all of the heat for the entire issue.

[NewJerseyDem]

24. The Senate has voted on it

All the Democratic candidates fromt the Senate voted no.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?vote_id=2693

[FrenchieCat]

39. I stand corrected

Thanks. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[haypops]

12. flag burning

I was never for making flag burning illegal. However in my 57 years I've never burnt a flag. I just don't find this a significant issue when someone as evil and stupid as the Shrub is sitting in the whitehouse. Clark hasn't said it's the centerpiece of his agenda or even that he would initiate such a ban. The chance of so many state legislatures voting for the ban is nill.

[newyawker99]

14. Hi haypops!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mdmc]

59. I burned flags

in the boy scouts. Thats how you dispose of them. This law is about restricting expression to strengthen patriotism.

[ozone_man]

25. I agree with your issues with Clark.

Also, I think he was a bit of a cheer leader for the Iraq war, and anyone who voted for IWR didn't make my short list (Dean and Kucinich). The biggest reason is I just don't want a general for a president.

But, I tend to vote my heart. I voted for Nader in 2000 and will vote for Dean in 2004. Kucinich is sort of the Nader of 2004 in my opinion. If he had a chance (maybe he does) I would consider him.

I disagree with the assessment that Dean is unelectable, I think all of the top five candidates can beat Bush. Even a generic dem beats Bush. This is the opportunity to get the right candidate in, and mine is Dean. Not the time for a generic candidate, but the real deal. Dean has the fire in his belly to take Bush down and restore the democratic party and democracy (hopefully).

[redqueen]

65. If you voted for Nader in the GE in 2000

then you have GOT to vote for Kucinich in the primaries!

[mdmc]

58. Man,

Please, Clark? Well, if thats what the Dems want. In a three way race, between the GOP, Dem, and Green, I don't think that Clark is the strongest to run up that middle path.

[retyred]

13. 53% for Clark

Not bad for a late commer.

The flag issue is only going to be big by those that support it, gee and who would that be? He's reaching the other side with an issue that he has no vote on, making them think he's in favor is a plus w/out his vote either way.


retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read the book

[goobergunch]

15. Dean (n/t)

[_NorCal_D_]

16. Clark!

B-)

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. Clark (but you probably already knew that) n/t

[NewJerseyDem]

18. Edwards

It is really hard for me to support a southerner but I think he is the best candidate right now. I don't know if this will be permanent though because I have switched my support between Kerry, Dean, Graham, Clark, Edwards and Gephardt many times.

[Field Of Dreams]

19. Clark

:kick:

[Closer]

20. Wow

Only five votes for Kerry?

Hmm, now all those Kerry folks wouldn't be voting against Dean for Clark would they? :freak:


LOL. Sometimes I wonder if I'm in a high school discussion forum. You guys never cease to amaze me. Really :eyes:

[Kahuna]

21. Who knows? Maybe when the time comes if Kerry..

seems to be unlikely to win the nomination they may actually vote for Clark. It could happen.

[Tom Rinaldo]

22. I really doubt that in this case

Kerry not only needs to worry about beating Dean, he also has to worry about losing his supporters to Clark or anyone else before the NH primary. His supporters can't afford to play into perceptions that Kerry is a sinking ship, it only accelerates a scramble for his supporters to find an alternate ship to climb onto. A perception that Kerry is still losing steam right now is more dangerous to his campaign than a perception that Dean is still doing well. I don't think your theory is likely.

[mdmc]

60. all it takes is Kerry to drop out

Then his supporters will find another ship. Whom do you think JFK will endorse? I bet Clark over Dean.

[JohnKleeb]

46. When candiates get attacked for their looks like mine does, I feel

like I am in school. BTW the brawling between your two camps goes both ways, neither of you are right or wrong, or saints or demons, and have made accomplishements and failures. At least your guy isnt attacked for his looks like mine is. Thats truely petty. Oh and I voted Kucinich.

[mdmc]

61. Sharpton and Braun get attacked for their looks too

Its just that Kucinich is white. It is acceptable to mock him. Be refreshed to know that he is not Bush Lite. All of the unmocked candidates, well, are.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

23. Are any of we Clarkers from New Hamphsire I hope?!?

[Kahuna]

27. Didn't know you were a Wes Winger, "A!"

:hi:

[_NorCal_D_]

28. With

Ah-nold on our side, how can we lose? :shrug:


:hi: B-)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

73. I am malleable and easily manipulated

so I have been known to change candidates
as I read through the different arguments.
I am the perfect listening board for arguments
because the arguments of different supporters
are so good and strong and funny and smart, so
I do change my mind a lot, but yes as of the moment
of writing I back General Clark 110 per cent as
of now.

[knight_of_the_star]

32. I wouldn't be surprised

In fact, I wonder what would happen if Clark pulled a win in New Hampshire in 2004?

[Ksec]

30. Clark

saw him on a show on CNN this morning with Wolf Blitzkreig. He was impressive . I think Clark can win (but not Dean.)

[AmericanDem]

70. yes he was

:kick:

[BootinUp]

33. Disclaimer

I am Jim4Wes and I voted for Clark. I posted this because I am so frickin pissed about the Freeper Clark post that just went up. I want everyone to know who I am and that I voted in this poll. Ask me anything.

[mdmc]

62. How long has Wes been a Dem?

Is it longer than a trimester? Does he support prohabition?

[BootinUp]

66. I did say ask me anything

But I didn't say I would answer sarcastic questions. If your interested in learning why Clark is now and would govern as a democrat I don't have a problem talking about it but I suspect your not.

www.clark04.com

[mzmolly]

34. Dean..

:)

[jenk]

35. Still Edwards

[ShaneGR]

36. I voted for Clark

And so did 119 other people. Not exactly a FLOOD of people from some blog eh?

[MoonRiver]

37. Whoa!! I haven't been back for several hours.

All I can say is, if this is a sign of the times, we can start calling him President Clark! :bounce: :kick: :bounce:

[Ksec]

44. Now if we could get the Media coverage

we deserve and must demand.. Until then people will say Clark who?

[OKNancy]

38. Clark

I voted for Clark. I've been a contributing member to DU for two years, and I read it long before I gave. I am not a newcommer and although I read the Clark blog, I don't need the blog to tell me about a DU poll.

This message has been approved by OKNancy and I support the its content.

[billbuckhead]

40. I think this a reflection of a grassroots anybody but Dean movement

With so much a stake how can allow this lightweight from a state of 610,000 people to be our standard bearer against Bush when we have so much better candidates. The conFlag flap was a pathetic indication of Deans lack of stature.

[Padraig18]

41. I think it's nothing but a DU poll, ...

wishful thinking on your part nonwithstanding, bill... :eyes:

[madfloridian]

53. Votes are by user name.

:hi:

[mdmc]

63. Well, I'm a Dean supporter

that voted for Kucinich in this DU poll. Remember, its just a DU poll. We need another moveon.org poll with Clark involved!

[dobak]

42. Clark

[ShaneGR]

43. How dare you vote for Clark!

You must be crazy!

Hehe, I voted for him too.

[AmericanDem]

45. Clark

:kick:

[1songbird]

47. Clark because no one else

can give a backhand compliment with such grace.

Clark: People like Bush* because he overcame his drinking problems and put his marriage back together.

[mdmc]

64. Wow, thats good.

:dem: Bush kicked coke and Jim Bean. He can't be all bad. :dem:

[foo_bar]

49. Gep can't get no love

how does he lose to Lieberman on DU straw polls? I know he's as exciting as rhubarb pie but he must be somebody's first choice.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

50. One more for Clark

n/t

[tinrobot]

51. I gotta admit...

...I was all for Dean, but Clark really swayed me in the last debate. His recent tongue-lashings of Fox and MSNBC pundits also helps. I can really see him tearing Junior and new one in a campaign.

[madfloridian]

52. Oh No, another switcher.....

I am not voting in these things. Just had to comment on the switching...... I am for Dean, BTW.

[bobthedrummer]

54. This is so skewed-the Clark element here at DU doesn't reflect the

people of the US, they may have better Internet organization though.
That's my view point. I would vote for Lieberman before Clark because of the neo-conservative dominated Pentagon that he came from and the fact he's been Republican-not good for the Democratic Party in the long run IMO watch out for the moles, people.

[Tom Rinaldo]

55. None of this reflects the people of the U.S.

This is a inherently flawed poll of a very mall subgroup that already cares a great deal about the Primaries before a single vote has been cast. But you can't blame the result on "Clark's organization", to state the obvious, at the most eager Clark supporters can vote for Clark. That does not explain why Kerry and Edwards and Gephardt etc are getting so few votes. Clark does have a lot of supporters here and those others don't. It is a simple fact.

[Coldgothicwoman]

57. Why isn't ABB an option? <n/t>

[bobthedrummer]

67. Kick.

:dem:

[Tummler]

68. Watch out for the Kooch, Deanies!

Presently, Kucinich is a tiny bit closer to Dean (62 votes behind) than Dean is to Clark (63 votes behind).

[mndemocrat_29]

69. Edwards leading Kerry

Typically, these polls go:

1.Clark/Dean
3. Kucinich
4. Kerry
5. Edwards

Could this be an upswing for Edwards?

[Kahuna]

74. This is the fourth poll in a row that Clark has won!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[MoonRiver]

77. Ya gotta love it!

This shows the true level of grass roots support for our wonderful candidate!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

71. This DU Poll is what General is been waiting for.

Is there some way to get this on CNN?
Is General going on a show today he could
mention it on? This is the grassroots we
been waiting for. I expect the polls
in New Hamphsire to start showing the same
shift away from the one with his sleeves rolled
that blink too much to the one that don't
blink at all and the golden stars. Now the
question is how do we get this on CNN so that
the snowball effects starts happening?!? Should
we use the blog stuff things? Let's go, let's
go, let's go! Don't let this drible away like
a leaky bucket of golden stardust!

[MoonRiver]

76. Better, let's get BOTH DU polls, which BOTH had Clark leading on CNN

The latest one gives him a tremendous lead. Unfortunately CNN is probably so terrified of Clark they'd never touch this information.

CLARK '04!!!!! :kick:

[Tummler]

72. Only 397 votes?

There have gotta be more than 397 active users.

:kick:

[MoonRiver]

75. The results of this poll tell me

we have a lot of very smart people on DU! If this far left of center website understands that Clark is our best choice, then what will the rest of US do?? GET THE SELECTED IDIOT OUT, that's what! :toast: