WOW, anyone watching Face the Nation? "Nadar's war"

[loudnclear]

I couldn't believe my ears. Just blamed Ralph Nadar for what is happening now from the war to the economcy to the Patriot Act.

In sum, if Nadar had not run, Gore would have been the clear winner.
Wow! Wonder how that makes Ralph feel?

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[Turbineguy]

3. Let's not suggest that those who voted for Bush

are in any way culpable.....

[leftofthedial]

25. this idiot says you're technically correct, but actually wrong.

Technically. Gore DID win.

However, with no Nader in the race, it wouldn't have been close enough for the coup to have succeeded. Nader's candidacy was part of the neocon strategy. Period.

[jfxgillis]

2. Boy, was I glad I did FTN this morning

rather than the other Sabbath Gasbag rubbish.

Nifty substantive discussion.

[Iverson]

4. bad spelling, bad reasoning

Hey, why think at all!

[gristy]

5. He's heard it thousands of times since 2000

Maybe he's immune at this point. And let's not forget Rick Kahn at the Wellstone Memorial. IMO, Nadar and Kahn can be viewed as "tipping" some very close elections to the right. While not minimizing the significance of their influence, many other factors contributed to getting us into that precarious position.

[DUreader]

6. Who is saying this?

just curious

[IndianaGreen]

8. The poster maybe trolling, but here is the Face Nation schedule for today

November 30, 2003

Host:

CBS News Chief Washington Correspondent Bob Schieffer

Topics:

Historians On President Bush, Iraq And A Divided Nation

Guests:

Robert Dallek

Author, "An Unfinished life: John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963"


David Maraniss

Author, "They Marched Into Sunlight: War And Peace, Vietnam And America, October 1967"


Garry Wills

Author, "Negro President: Jefferson And The Slave Power"



Carin Pratt is the Executive Producer of Face the Nation.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/02/10/ftn/main159086.shtml

[IndianaGreen]

7. Nader didn't vote for IWR, but Kerry, Edwards, Gep, & Loserman did

This is like blaming Clinton for 9/11 or for the Iraq war.

This thread is pure flame bait.

[Noordam]

9. But you can bet Ego Tripping Nader will be running in 2004

Grrrrrrrrr.

[IndianaGreen]

13. If you don't win on your own, it is your own fault

Loserman was the VP nominee in 2000. Everything we have seen since then have convinced everyone that Holy Joe is a total jerk.

Gore should have picked Kerry as his running mate, and he should have carried his own state.

[JNelson6563]

22. While I don't disagree that Lieberman was a poor choice

I am compelled to remind you that Gore won the 2000 election.

Julie

[Terwilliger]

30. only for me to remind you that no Democrat contested the election

except the CBC...so he didn't win anything, unless Dems believe he won and then didn't do anything about it...which is not a virtue to extol

[Cheswick2.0]

26. nonsense

sorry but Nader had a plan, he lied about running in swing states and he lied over and over again about Gore. He ran a dirtier and more dishonest campaign than Bush.... and to top it off he didn't even get his lousy 5 percent.

[Iverson]

28. yeah, that was nonsense

The only sources from whom I've ever heard that Nader promised not to run in all 50 states are angry Democrats. On the other hand, I did hear and read repeated references by Nader and Greens in 2000 that we were going to run in all 50 states.

And I guess dirtiness is in the eye of the beholder. For example, joining hands with Republicans in using rent-a-cops to exclude Nader from the debate site despite his ticket (not to mention the debates themselves), looks pretty dirty to me.

But go ahead and froth. Everything is perfect, just perfect, as long as there's that capital D.

[Monte Carlo]

10. Let us stay focused on the one responsible - George W. Bush.

And not get distracted by those who would love to see us eat our own.

[Waistdeep]

11. That was Gary Wills

.... I also heard him say "Democrat Party".

[Monte Carlo]

12. Did he really say "Democrat Party"?

That sounds like a gigantic tell-tale to me.

[Jackpine Radical]

15. Gary Wills

(not to be confused with George F. Will) is an old-time liberal/progressive pundit. I remember him as an anti-Vietnam, anti-Nixon guy back when the papers still published things from the left.

[Terwilliger]

29. sounds like a die-hard Democrat to me

[Aidoneus]

14. You can read things like that all the time here

These party loyalist types can be a very funny creature, regardless of what subject that it is burying its head in the sand over and lashing out blindly on.

[Deja Q]

16. Deface the nation

There were plenty of other reasons, namely the 'supreme' court and the scandal in Florida.

Why the hell are those being ignored by some guy who was the candidate for a fringe party that got something like 2% of the vote?

Get the fuck over scapegoating and aim to put the criminals in prison. :eyes:

[PatrickS]

17. Well...

I wouldn't go as far as blaming Nader for the war. That's the fault of Dumbya and Company, Blair, and their rich buddies. No one else is too blame for that fiasco.

But as for wondering how Ralph feels about this? Well, his ego is so HUGE that I'm sure it doesn't make any difference to him what anyone thinks about him.

[liberalmuse]

18. BABB...

Blame Anyone But Bush. This is so very desparate on the part of the Bush apologists. Take a guy who got about 5% of the popular vote, and blame him for Bush policy. There is absolutely no logic in it. Hell, if I were going to use the faulty logic of blaming everyone who had anything to do with putting Bush in office for the war, the media would be at #1.

[Toucano]

19. Nader's War?

That's the most ridiculous claim I've heard yet.

It's Bush's War. The buck stops there.

Stop helping him shift blame to everybody else, would ya?

[ShaneGR]

20. Nader 2004

Ralph would do it again if he saw an opportunity.

[Hamlette]

21. Wow!

In denial here?

Face the Nation was excellent this morning. He had 3 historians on, not political hacks, and all three of them trashed Bush non stop for the entire show. There was not one favorable comment about Bush (except, all presidents go to the war zone).

And this board trashes the show because of the comment about Nader.

Face it, many of us think Nader is an egomaniac. I don't think he has my interests at heart any more than Bush does. Don't get me wrong, there was a time when I admired him. He singlehandedly made this country aware of safety when the auto industry had ignored it. But he is not presidential (IMHO) and had he not run, Gore would have won. Again, IMHO.

The show was excellent. I hope our candidates watched it. For those of you who are interested, they said Bush blew it when, after 9-11 he trashed the rest of the world, said we don't need them, blew our good will. They also talked about how Bush has destroyed the environment and turned this country over to business. That people don't think Bush cares about them and have lost the idea that government is there to help them. The Dems should be talking about that, and they haven't been. One said this will be about the war. If Bush can't stop the bleeding and the spending in Iraq Bush can be beat. But if Dems don't start telling Americans about how Bush has turned this country over to big business, it is ours to lose.

Flame on.

[Cheswick2.0]

27. Gore was the superior candidate, lots of people had their minds washed

by Nader and the campaign, sadly. I used to admire Nader and I used to admire the Green party. Those days are gone. Oddly I am in agreement with Green party members on many issues...but their stategy and their inability to disown the lousy tactics of the 2000 campaign and their total misrepresentation of Gore have turned me off to third party politics for good.
The Green party is as much an opposition party as the republicans. That point was made in 2000 and reinforced when they ran candidates against the most progressive democrats in 2002.

[MasonJar]

23. Excuse me, but

Gore did win by the second largest margin ever and that did not count all the fraudulent Florida mess with Jews voting for Buchanan and 70,000 people disenfranchised. In Tennessee Bill "cat-killer" Frist, who has been well-rewarded, ran a similar scam to jebbie's, setting up roadblocks in black neighborhoods, sending out erroneous election data, etc. This race was stolen, plain and simple. The voters should be constantly reminded of that.

[Dr Satan]

24. you know what

I hope people don't make this an issue, becuase I know many people will flock to support Nader if it does become an issue.