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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:05 PM
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A Call To Arms: Republican Special Interests Attack Dean
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 04:07 PM by slinkerwink
Special Interests Attack Dean

Just two weeks ago, the RNC launched an ad in Iowa questioning the patriotism of those who opposed this president's reckless foriegn policy. Bush attacked-- and you responded, raising more than $608,000 to tell the truth about what Bush has done to our country.

And today, they're at it again. The Club for Growth-- a corporate-backed group whose goal is "to bundle campaign donations for pro-business Republicans"-- is attacking Howard Dean by name in television ads that are going up in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Last month, you declared your independence from the special interests. Now they're trying to define and distort Howard Dean's record in an attempt to slow your campaign.

Don't let them.

The Dean campaign is responding immediately, combating the false accusations of Bush's special interests by preparing a television ad of our own:

Title: “Club for Truth?Length: 30 seconds
Video: Image of George Bush over a closed factory; footage from Club for Growth ad; footage of Howard Dean on the campaign trail.

Audio:

George Bush.

His economic policies created the largest deficit in our county's history.

Now he's hiding behind negative ads that falsely attack Howard Dean.

The Truth?

Howard Dean balanced budgets 11 years in a row. He's a fiscal conservative who cut state income taxes—twice. Raised the minimum wage. And provided health care coverage for nearly every child in his state.

I'm Howard Dean. I approved this message because they’re not trying to stop me, they’re trying to stop you.


Don't let the special interests stop you from taking our country back. Click here to contribute and to show that you are willing to match the special interests dollar for dollar. Let Bush know that he can't hide behind the special interests-- and that we, the American people, are going to stand up for the truth.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:06 PM
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1. I'm going to donate tonight.....
looks like the RNC is opening their salvos on Dean this early in the campaign season----looks like they're frightened of Dean! ;-)
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:07 PM
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2. Wait, I thought they wanted Dean?
Did they change their mind or is this just brilliant political skullduggery? I'm so confused.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:55 PM
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34. They still do.
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 04:56 PM by Bleachers7
http://www.nypost.com/commentary/12578.htm

GOP TRIES TO BOOST DEAN BY BURYING HIM

By DEBORAH ORIN
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

December 4, 2003 -- HOWARD DEAN and Republicans share one big dream - to see Dean become the Democratic 2004 presidential nominee.
It's fascinating to watch Republicans do their best to boost Dean.

Take the Republican National Committee's decision to run a TV ad in Iowa that paints Democrats as undermining President Bush in the war on terror. It says, "Some are now attacking the president for attacking the terrorists."

Antiwar, anti-Bush anger boosted Dean to the top of the Democratic pack and a pro-war Republican ad is sure to infuriate and energize Dean fans - and focus political debate on the very issue that helps Dean the most.

"It's very smart - every time they pick fights with Dean, it just serves to elevate him in the Democratic race," says a Republican strategist. "It's good for both of them. Both sides want a Dean-Bush race."

Why? Because polls suggest Dean would be pretty close to the weakest Dem against Bush and he offers the sharpest contrast in ideology and personal style.

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/12578.htm
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:57 PM
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36. that's still a weak argument when the unnamed Dem in polls still beat Bush
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
43. Well, if it's in the NY post, it must be true
All this reverse psychology crap is exhausting.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. I agree----it's just desperate spin
;-)


here's a :beer: on me.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. It appeared somewhere else also.
I am not sure if the post just picked up on it or not. That's where I saw it.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:08 PM
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51. If they honestly believe that Dean is the easiest to beat
They are seriously misunderestimating him by this strategy. He's the best fundraiser, has the best organization, and he's not afraid to fight back. You don't stop an enemy from making a mistake, and this is a big one.

If they don't and actually don't know how to handle Dean (which I've read in other reports) then they're trying to bury him by planting the idea in democrats heads that he's the one they want and will be easy to beat.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:13 PM
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54. "he offers the sharpest contrast in ideology and personal style."
... and this is supposed to be a bad thing? Do the Repubs really think they're going to bound back into the oval office on GW's charm?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. All the polls I've seen show most people disagree with Bush on policy
The only strong point is national security.

And that's not going to change if we pander to the idea that Bush is strong on national security and we'll be "just like him, only better!" Dean offers that.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. I agree
so why should the Repubs be saying that they want Dean because they think he presents the strongest contrast with Bush? You'd think that presenting a strong contrast with Bush would be a good thing for the Dems.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. I don't get it either
But if they want to shoot themselves in the foot, I'll buy the gun.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:08 PM
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3. HA! One more thing I like about this campaign:
It's FAST!
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:08 PM
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4. I love it!!
Finally, a candidate with some balls!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. can't wait to see Dean teabag Bush!
;-)
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:42 PM
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Noooooooo...
You have an unhealthy obsession with Dean teabagging Bush.

I'd say a Cleveland Steamer is more appropriate.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:43 PM
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28. what's a cleveland steamer?
:shrug:
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #28
63. A Cleveland Steamer
is when one expels solid waste onto the bare chest of a lover. Bush is much more deserving of that, especially since, after his steel tarriff decision, that's the only piece of Ohio he's ever going to get.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #63
79. ewwwwww
that's grooossss....
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #79
93. Gross, yes
But you've learned something. Go run out and tell everybody!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #16
62. Eeewww
I'm gonna have nightmares now. Thanks a lot.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:09 PM
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5. Wow -- this is a GREAT line:
"I'm Howard Dean. I approved this message because they’re not trying to stop me, they’re trying to stop you."

Eloriel
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. chilly bumps
and imo he is the only one that can stop this crap.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. I agree......it gave me chills.
can't wait to see Howard look into the camera and say that. Talk about energizing the Democratic base!
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:12 PM
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7. We know what this means, don't we?
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 04:12 PM by Demobrat
Rove wants to run against Dean! Quick! Switch to Kerry! Switch to Clark! Dean can't win! Anybody but Dean!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. oh, that's right! Rove wants Dean so he's going EASY on him....
because that's the right strategy to go up against the Dem candidate, right? <sarcasm>
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #10
92. Doesnt this shift mean that they want Dean because Clark ...wait Kerry....
Who's the one they currently "want" again? :silly:
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:12 PM
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8. They know that Dean's campaign loves this
that's why there doing this before the nomination.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Aha! Reverse psychology!
I'm sure they're just drooling at the chance to run against someone who balanced budgets, lowered taxes, provided healthcare to nearly every child in his state, cut child abuse, raised the minimum wage, and opposed a war that's turned into a boondoggle with no apparent purpose!

Those crazy liberals! Haw haw haw!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Darn that Dean!
It's good that we're responding fast to this...
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. if that person is Howard Dean then yes absolutely
he provided healthcare to an additional 3 percent of kids, which is about 2500 hundred kids probably

and he apposed a foriegn policy decision which less than 40 don't appose and more than 60 suppport

which would ensure his defeat far less than his proposed middle class tax hike
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Um.....in polls, Democrats would rather vote for someone that opposed
the war in Iraq than for someone that supported it, and I believe that includes your candidate, Edwards.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Yeah, and he'll have no money to fight back!
Because he's crippled by public financing.. and has little support among voters!

Haw haw haw... err.. no, nevermind.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. oh, that's right...Dean has NO grassroots support.....
how dare Dean finance his own ads?! Darn that Dean! </sarcasm>


;-)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #8
21. It's Dean's old CATO buddy, Stephen Moore
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 04:29 PM by blm
Club for Growth. Interesting that they'd do this now, playing the "inevitability" card.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. They're repeating the "Dean is the next (insert loser here)" card
That other dems have been playing.

Seems kind of stupid to do it before there's even a primary.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. yeah, they might run the chance of making that meme really OLD
in IA and NH, so the next time they try it again, it won't wash.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. And right on time to help the cause - ADJHS! Wave, everyone!
I'm so happy you showed up to show your support for democrats against Bush attack ads. I just knew you couldn't stay away, if Dean was being praised by Dems or attacked by Bush!

Do you find it easier to sneak up on someone before you back stab them, or just get friendly and close first?


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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. ahhhh, where are the cheerleaders?
::looks around::
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #38
48. At the CATO Institute
"The Appeal of Howard Dean
From the September 15, 2003 issue: Why he could be Bush's more dangerous opponent.
by Stephen Moore
09/15/2003, Volume 009, Issue 01


SEVERAL YEARS AGO an obscure Democratic governor from the politically inconsequential state of Vermont was the guest speaker at a Cato Institute lunch. His name was Howard Dean. He had been awarded one of the highest grades among all Democrats (and a better grade than at least half of the Republicans) in the annual Cato Fiscal Report Card on the Governors. We were curious about his views because we had heard that he harbored political ambitions beyond the governorship.

Dean charmed nearly everyone in the boardroom. He came across as erudite, policy savvy, and, believe it or not, a friend of free markets--at least by the standards of the Tom Daschle-Dick Gephardt axis of the Democratic party. Even when challenged on issues like environmentalism, where he favored a large centralized mass of intrusive regulations, Dean remained affable.

"You folks at Cato," he told us, "should really like my views because I'm economically conservative and socially laissez-faire." Then he continued: "Believe me, I'm no big-government liberal. I believe in balanced budgets, markets, and deregulation. Look at my record in Vermont." He was scathing in his indictment of the "hyper-enthusiasm for taxes" among Democrats in Washington. ..."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/073ylkiz.asp
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #48
82. Meanwhile, the Kerry/Gep machine brought us subjugation and failure
"You folks at Cato," he told us, "should really like my views because I'm economically conservative and socially laissez-faire." Then he continued: "Believe me, I'm no big-government liberal. I believe in balanced budgets, markets, and deregulation. Look at my record in Vermont." He was scathing in his indictment of the "hyper-enthusiasm for taxes" among Democrats in Washington. ..."

Notice this statement is years old, and Dean has actually tempered such comments by action (he is for re-regulation of some industry, for instance that which poses a demonstrable threat to environment).

If Kerry and or Gep is indeed the opposite of Dean, let's look at what they helped get us...

IWR (war)

Patriot Act (police state)

Degredation of the Democratic Party (quod errat demonstrandum)


I think I'll give Dean a try. I'm not sure how much more of the Kerry/Gep Democratic Party we can take.


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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. But Dean started it!
Or haven't you heard?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #40
75. oooooh, the nerve of that DEAN!
;-)
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
74. But Dean and Cato are so close!
How on earth could such a pal turn on him like that?
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:16 PM
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12. Here's the ad
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. yep, and that's why we need to respond fast......
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #12
19. Wow. He hasn't even gotten the nomination yet, and they've
spent money making this ad that is nothing but an attack on him.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. yeah....they're running scared
;-)
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #22
56. I sort of liked it better when they were still under the illusion that
he was a hopeless and crazed leftie. But the truth had to come out at some point, I guess.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. It helps solidify support for both. It's called the "inevitability" card
and Dean's old CATO buddy Stephen Moore put this ad out. He's doing Dean a favor by targeting him only. This is a PRIMARY and they are singling Dean out while elevating and solidifying support for Dean.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #19
39. Yes, more "proof" that the GOP loves Dean, no doubt *snicker*
Up is down, black is white, freedom is slavery, Dean has peaked...

And the beat goes on.


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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. I just like the argument that blm makes....
because it's based on a silly premise of "What if?"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #42
58. You're wrong and obviously unaware of the "inevitability" card the GOP
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 05:22 PM by blm
plays. You should be familiar with it though, because some Deanies have been playing the card for months here at DU.

Would you like to argue that it doesn't exist?

Or would you like to argue that Stephen Moore and Howie Dean are NOT friendly?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. oh please....
:eyes:
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #58
64. The inevitability card
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Well, that card worked for Kerry
teeheehee
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Kerry never played that game.
But, you all know you did.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. Yes he did.
He was the favorite son for a while after Gore dropped out.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #68
77. that's why he rested easy on his laurels when Dean was shooting
up in the polls in August.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #68
80. and Dean's favorite target for attacks, even while recovering from cancer
surgery and off the campaign trail.

Good doctor. Great character, huh?
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. Oooh evil Dean! Picks on cancer victims!
And kills puppies and kittens and eats babies and drinks the blood of the dead and...


(wonders what's for dinner....)


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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Because everyone knows his campaign shut down those days.
n/t
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #84
89. Well, everyone but *looks down the hall*......
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #67
91. Kerry invented the game.
Kerry was supposed to be the "heir apparent." That's why you and the other anti-Deanies are so pissed off and can't accept the fact that Dean is so popular.

Why do you think the Democratic convention is going to be in Boston? So home-boy Kerry could bask in the glory of winning the nomination on his own turf.

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #42
59. Or more specifically, "what if......
....Kerry had a snowball's chance in Hell.."
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:20 PM
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15. they are hoping to exhaust...
...their strongest potential opposition by relentless attacks between now and November. Seems that Bush is already running against Dean, and with responses like this one, he's losing.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. that's what I think too.....
to respond this early for an incumbent president isn't good news for Bush.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
31. The thing shrub and crew don't realize is that
they are not just running against Dean, they are trying to do this to us and they underestimate the power of a pissed off electorate. Boy, have these folks got a RUDE awakening coming, and hopefully very very soon!! Or maybe we should let them spend another 50 million before we clue em in...
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. "Ahhh.....who cares about those little grassroots supporters?"
"They won't harm us"---Rove in his office

Meanwhile, thousands of Deaniacs are pouring in money to beat Bush.....;-)
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:42 PM
Response to Original message
27.  "They're not trying to stop me, they're trying to stop you"
I love that line!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:08 PM
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50. I like that line too, primarily because it's true.
(Though they're coming after him as well.)
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:11 PM
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53. it's never been so true before in this election...
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:51 PM
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30. It's called Rapid Response
and you better BELIEVE BushCo. are scratching their heads over Dean and his army.

Bring it on you bastards! We're not taking the shit anymore. There's a "sea of change" happening in the Democratic Party, and we're fighting back to kick your Republican asses!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:52 PM
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32. and that's exactly what Clinton did in 1992
they didn't let any charge go unanswered----just like what the Dean campaign is doing now!
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:57 PM
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37. Dean's team is really adept at this...I'm impressed.
That takes one hell of an organization to do that.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 04:59 PM
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41. no wonder why the AFSCME and the SEIU endorsed him....
;-)
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:04 PM
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46. Give 'em hell Doc!!
Rock on Dr. Dean. We're right behind you!

:toast:

Julie
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:05 PM
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47. yep....*hi-fives*
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:08 PM
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49. I thought Stephen Moore LIKED Dean!!!
"The Appeal of Howard Dean
From the September 15, 2003 issue: Why he could be Bush's more dangerous opponent.
by Stephen Moore
09/15/2003, Volume 009, Issue 01


SEVERAL YEARS AGO an obscure Democratic governor from the politically inconsequential state of Vermont was the guest speaker at a Cato Institute lunch. His name was Howard Dean. He had been awarded one of the highest grades among all Democrats (and a better grade than at least half of the Republicans) in the annual Cato Fiscal Report Card on the Governors. We were curious about his views because we had heard that he harbored political ambitions beyond the governorship.

Dean charmed nearly everyone in the boardroom. He came across as erudite, policy savvy, and, believe it or not, a friend of free markets--at least by the standards of the Tom Daschle-Dick Gephardt axis of the Democratic party. Even when challenged on issues like environmentalism, where he favored a large centralized mass of intrusive regulations, Dean remained affable.

"You folks at Cato," he told us, "should really like my views because I'm economically conservative and socially laissez-faire." Then he continued: "Believe me, I'm no big-government liberal. I believe in balanced budgets, markets, and deregulation. Look at my record in Vermont." He was scathing in his indictment of the "hyper-enthusiasm for taxes" among Democrats in Washington. ..."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/073ylkiz.asp
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:10 PM
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52. ha, looks like his group which raises money for Bush is
SCARED.....
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:14 PM
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55. "Believe me, I'm no big-government liberal...."
"...I believe in balanced budgets, markets, and deregulation.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:31 PM
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85. "I believe in the Patriot Act, Unilateral war on a sovereign nation..."
- Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 05:46 PM
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69. This is Stephen Moore assuring that Dean is Bush's opponent.
If anyone knows what a flip flopper Dean is, it's Moore. He no doubt has Dean crowing on tape about his deregulation efforts. Dean and his CATO Institute buddies, the Koch brothers.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 06:29 PM
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71. Have you ever changed your mind?
I'm just curious, because if you have, you are nothing but a flip-flopper.

Damn flip-floppers every where I look
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 06:51 PM
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73. lol, some people here don't believe that a candidate actually
can change their mind after being presented with new facts.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:25 PM
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81. In an election year?
.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:35 PM
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88. It's been known to happen. Dean is proving he's a real liberal
Unlike some people who claim to be liberal, yet are really stagnate statists supporting an Insider statist candidate.

Go Dean.


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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:00 PM
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76. No doubt
And I killed Kennedy. If only someone could PROVE it!
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:33 PM
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87. Your boy Kerry just pulled the mutha of all flip flops
On troop strength and time of presence in Iraq. You'd better stay up on these things blm, lest ye end up with even more egg on your face.


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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 06:18 PM
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70. I've got your back Doc!
As long as your fighting I'm contributing - another $50 sent.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 06:37 PM
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72. count me in for the $50 too!
;-)
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:00 PM
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78. I'm here for ya.
They don't have a prayer.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:32 PM
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86. They have $100k to run this lame-o ad...
They're get probably 15-20 ad slots for $100k in larger markets(actually, I don't know how much ad slots run in larger market cities. If someone does, please post it). And, it's a lame ad to boot (same bs comparing Dean to Dukakis and Mondale). This will have minimal impact...
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brent of rppper Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 07:42 PM
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90. More on the whole dean subject.....
i looked up something on it..aswell my dad helped me out it too aswell...check it out..it's an older post on the site but if nothing else it'll be usefull in the disscusion.

http://www.esoterically.net/log/archives/001177.html


:kick:

November 26, 2003
The softer side of Gov. Dean

On trail, Dean hones a populist message


OTTUMWA, Iowa -- As a presidential contender, Howard Dean has made a name for himself as a verbal rough-rider -- arguing his case against the war in Iraq and President Bush's tax cuts with the kind of unstinting rhetoric that has won over Democrats eager to see a bruising battle against Bush next fall.

But on the campaign trail, Dean's throw-down-the-gauntlet mantra is woven with another message, one strikingly different in tone, that preaches the virtue of community and the evil of corporate behemoths unconcerned, he says, with the collective good.

"Bigger and bigger corporations might mean more efficiency, but there is something about human beings that corporations can't deal with, and that's our soul, our spirituality, who we are," Dean told a breakfast crowd in Sidney, Iowa. "We need to find a way in this country to understand and to help each other understand that there is a tremendous price to be paid for the supposed efficiency of big corporations. The price is losing the sense of who we are as human beings."

This Dean message, delivered in a lilting cadence different from the partisan fire and brimstone he serves up in television ads and debates, strikes a chord in some quarters.

"I love that talk about community because we are supposed to be a Christian nation, and if we are a Christian nation, I have to be concerned about you, I have to be concerned about him," said Paul McFarland, 62, a retired military man who listened to Dean at an Ottumwa VFW Hall. "That's the way God wanted it, that's what a Christian nation is all about and we have strayed away from that."

Dean's message is tactically sharp, capturing what his campaign believes could be an important factor in the 2004 presidential election: Americans' anxiety about the future -- about jobs and financial security -- born of corporate mistrust and an attendant craving for more control over their lives.

The message dovetails with a larger critique of "special interests" -- a loosely-defined group of rich, powerful, entrenched corporations, institutions, and lobbyists -- that virtually all the Democratic presidential hopefuls have been assailing. In California, Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger campaigned against special interests in unseating Gray Davis as governor.

Dean, in particular, has used the anti-special interests idea as a battering ram. At a rally in Houston this month, the former governor of Vermont railed against the bankrupt Enron and called for greater regulation of industry.

But in the quieter settings, Dean often launches into the theme of uncontrolled power to highlight social policy issues. He points out the importance of structuring the sale of Canadian drugs in the United States without enriching middlemen, so that Main Street pharmacies can be saved. He talks of the need to do away with "No Child Left Behind" legislation, to give control back to local school boards.

This softer side to Dean's rhetoric can be jarring for those accustomed to seeing him in attack mode. It comes, after all, from a man seemingly determined to keep his personal biography -- and sentiment -- out of his campaign, and often seems oddly juxtaposed with Dean's militaristic march though his stump speech or his thunderous "You have the power" call-to-arms for disaffected Democrats.

Indeed, some voters, are taken aback by Dean's political alter ego.


Click on the headline to read the rest of the article.


Posted at November 26, 2003 03:37 AM


to see more on dean and this information check out the site.
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