Differences in Fundraising Goals Between Dean and Clark

[slinkerwink]

Last night, Dean supporters donated a total of $280,000----$80,000 over the original goal of $200,000 to the bat on their blog last night.

Also, on the Clark blog, rather hidden away from the front page, the birthday cake for Clark is set at $118,000 on December 23rd. So far, they're at $12,318 now. What's the explanation?

Alexa said that there was more internet traffic for the Clark page, but I'm beginning to think all those multiple pages and the CCN network has kept people away from the Clark Blog. Maybe most Clark supporters just visit the Clark04 main page instead of the Clark Blog?

I think most Dean supporters visit the Dean Blog more than they do the main page, which would be the Dean For America website.

My question is: Does Clark have less internet supporters that actively donate? I'd like to explore further on whether putting the fundraising cake on the main Clark page would make a difference. Would it? Let's discuss it here.

:hi:

[slinkerwink]

1. :kick:

:kick: I also remember when the Clark team put up the fundraising goal for their television ads, that it also went up on the main page. Did the Clark team make a mistake in putting the fundraising goal only on the Clark blog instead of also on the main page?

[Hep]

2. Clark doesn't have to raise as much

He;s got limits. Perhaps he's close to his goal already.

Dean as no ceiling.

[slinkerwink]

5. care to explain?

but what about when they brought out for the bat for the Dean campaign, that it was quickly filled each time before Dean opted out? I rarely visit the DFA main page, so it was through the Dean blog that I saw the bat.

[Hep]

7. You have a point

I don't know. Remember we're rabid. I guess Dean is our reverend moon.

[slinkerwink]

9. haha, that might be it

;-)

[xultar]

3. I think it would, I honestly don't know why they didn't put it on the

front/home page?

The Clark Blog is usually pretty hot. Mostly I head straight to the blog. I only go to the home page if they (ADMINS) say there is something new on the front page.

Thanks...I think I'll peel on over and make the suggestion. We've raised 12k in 1.5 days. I think that is pretty good. If we keep at that target we'd rase over 220,000! 112k over the target!

BTW, the "offical blog" and the CCN are basically the same. I honestly don't know the whole thing behind the philosophy on that. The NH ad thing was for sure on the home page and the Blog.

Turra

:kick:

[slinkerwink]

6. yes, but the difference is that Dean supporters can raise

$118,000 in a single day.

[bicentennial_baby]

24. So what?!

BFD...Is this becoming a "my candidate is better than your candidate" pissing contest?...how productive!

[TorchTheWitch]

38. oh good grief!

yes, but the difference is that Dean supporters can raise $118,000 in a single day.

Which was basically your whole point in starting this thread, yes? After all, if you really just wanted to know why the fundraising birthday cake for Clark wasn't on the front page of the site, you could have just asked without all the statistical data. This is really no more subtle then if you had simply posted the data, stuck your thumbs in your ears, wiggled your fingers and said "nah, nah"... oh, but that would probably result in the thread being locked and dropping off the radar before it got a more impressive number of gloating posts.

Thanks be to all that is sacred that in order to be president in this country one needs other attributes then just having the fattest wallet... otherwise, we could get damn near any fruitcake with a padded pocket running the country (kinda like the squatting thief we already have, eh?).

[slinkerwink]

8. I was asking this because I saw a Clarkite ask for the cake to

be put on the home page also---she was a bit upset that the donations weren't going as fast.

[wndycty]

4. The cake is a grassroots effort. . .

. . .it is appropriate for it to be on the blog.

[Renew Deal]

33. That's true

It's not a product of the campaign, it was started in the blog. They will probably be running their own event soon. So far the Clark campaign has run multiple fundraisers at once.

[Kahuna]

10. The birthday contribution is a totally seperate effort from..

the main fundraising. That's extra. I've contributed $59 for the birthday drive. But I will also contribute the regular monthly amount I have pledged to myself to give. I think your "concerns" are unwarranted.

[slinkerwink]

11. they are warranted if Clark also tries to model himself after Dean

by using internet fundraising.

[Spazito]

12. Dean didn't invent internet fundraising....

so to say that Clark is modeling himself after Dean is misleading, imo.

One could use the same argument and say that Dean is modeling himself after a republican, John McCain.

[slinkerwink]

13. yes, but McCain had nowhere the organization for internet fundraising

that Dean does.

[Spazito]

15. So, you agree that Dean has modeled himself on McCain and..

has built upon the republican McCain model?

[Hep]

20. Hardly

How much did McCain raise on the internet?

[Renew Deal]

36. He raised $2 million in 2 weeks after NH.

And he kept raising after that. There are reports somewhere.

[Hep]

48. 2 million in two weeks?

Double the money and cut the time by 2/3.

That's Dean.

[xultar]

14. He's not trying to model himself after Dean doing internet fundrasing

every time I think we've gotten past the 5th grade bullshit it shows up again. (edit typo)

All candidates are raising money on the web. PURE AND SIMPLE.

Hell even the KKK raises money on the web. Let's grow up here!

[Hep]

17. How much was raised for Dean's birthday?

I know our house party brought in over a grand, ranking 11th in fundraising.

[slinkerwink]

21. I think it was over $500,000 in a week

;-)

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[Hep]

19. And the mystical sage speaks

You must be right. I mean, you're posting with authority to a message board.

[xultar]

18. OH BTW if you'd have read a little bit more on CCN you'd also

know that this has NOTHING to do with the GENERAL campaign fundraising effort. SO, this is on top of and BEYOND because it was raised by the members of the CCN.

[slinkerwink]

22. so the birthday money is for what?

general campaign fundraising money or for what? ;-)

[xultar]

28. Us giving the future president a birthday gift. n/t

[slinkerwink]

34. yes, but it's still tied to campaign fundraising money

so it's a gimmick like we did for Dean's birthday. Raised over $500,000 for him in a week.

[Name removed]

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[slinkerwink]

39. still inviting me to the Massachussetts DU gathering?

;-)



:hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

41. LOL

I'm not a hater, I just don't see where this is going... You're always welcome at any of my gatherings, Noelle. :pals:

-heather

[slinkerwink]

43. awwww, thanks

:toast:

[bicentennial_baby]

23. What is you goal with this thread?

This crap is so divisive and unneccesary....

[slinkerwink]

27. my goal is to find out how much of Clark's money this quarter

will come from the internet itself. Right now, it sounds like he's getting a smaller percentage from the internet than Dean is getting from it.

[bicentennial_baby]

30. Why do you care?

He's not your candidate, so it should be irrelevant to you.

[slinkerwink]

40. he might win the nomination, so that's why it is relevant.

[bicentennial_baby]

42. Fair enough

x( I need more coffee this AM.

[slinkerwink]

44. ahhhh, my stomach's still in revolt from that bad coffee

:-(

[Name removed]

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[maddezmom]

25. this thread is a silly as the other one talking ...talking about

Clark being frugal for using his RV vs Dean giving a donation to the Fl dems. :(

[bicentennial_baby]

26. Yep

nm

[slinkerwink]

29. Dean's frugal too, but he has a long-term goal of helping the

Democratic Party too.

[maddezmom]

37. I agree...he is frugal

but this thread is getting to be a little counter productive. Look I've said it before, I'll say it again. I'll vote ABB, but why start a thread to knock the efforts of another campaign in the guise of concern?

[Renew Deal]

31. It has not been promoted and

it's not on the front page. They haven't made a big deal out of it yet.

[annxburns]

45. Slinkerwink hates Clark ..

... and in MHO is a bit obsessed with him. Almost every Clark (or Dean) thread she chimes in with something snide or slams Clark. Clarkies should feel flattered that she feels so threatened. Now ... move on.

[slinkerwink]

46. I'm not threatened

;-) Ask the Clarkites why they keep posting anti-Dean threads....or why they chime in positive Dean threads to trash Dean.

[annxburns]

47. Slinkerwink ...

... yes they do it too. And I have asked on the Clark, Kerry and the Dean blogs (they are the most active) that we all get along and not insult any of our candidates. But you are a one women wrecking crew when it comes to Clark. It's a little over the top.

And really I don't think it helps your candidate. If Dean wins you will need the Clark supporters. If you had a substantive issue to discuss that would be different, but the point of this post seems to be "Nah, Nah, we have the most money, ha ha!".

[slinkerwink]

49. no, it wasn't that point of this post

it was about the difference in how Clark and Dean raises money. Clark gets it offline, and Dean gets most of it online. That's the difference in how they raise money.

[annxburns]

50. Oh, please ....

[Renew Deal]

51. Proof?

Are you just making this stuff up? Your obsession is blinging you.

[FrenchieCat]

53. And?

Dean posts all of his donation on the Net, whether donated on the net or not....Clark doesn't.

So I guess that Clark is not like Dean.....it would seem that you would like that.

Don't want to "copy" off the master moneybags himself, now would we?

Now, if Dean could only buy some foreign policy experience and some national security experience without it coming with a person attached to it.....now that would be something to rave about.

But I guess that's one of the things, unfortunately for Dean,
that is priceless.

[jmaier]

54. 40%

It's pretty safe to say that Clark is raising quite a bit of money. I read a statement from one of the campaign folks that 35 to 40% comes in the online way. If they raise $12m this quarter, then that is 4 to 5 million from online -- not a bad result.

[Renew Deal]

52. Why don't you try to be part of the

solution, not the problem. You say you do it because the Clark people do? I don't agree but fine. If you don't like it, why do you do it to others? Sounds hypocrytical.

[Eloriel]

55. Yeah, get her to unilaterally disarm. That'd be just spiffy. n/t

[snowbear]

56. sheeshus freeekin keeeyhrist slinkerwink

Yo. Slinkerwink: the fundraiser on General Clark's site (2 days old) is for members of his new blog. It's not even at the main site.

Are you calculating in the other earnings in the last few days? Did you tally in the money he'll earn from the party Al Franken is hosting for him next week? What about the next Hollywood bash on the 12th?

Do Dean people really think like Slinkerwink? Sheeshus lady, loosen your friggen girdle a notch.

Make that two notches.

[Auntie Bush]

57. Re: where's the birthday cake promotion

http://www.forclark.com/special/birthday_fundraiser
There will not be any messages from the campaign on this - it's up to us to spread this around. Please post it at all local groups you are part of.

This is the email I got from the Clark campaign.
I don't think the General wants to ask for donations for his own birthday! Makes sence to me.

[Bread and Circus]

58. Good question...I know Clark raises a lot of money...but...

we don't raise as much money as quickly as "the bat" does
in terms of online stuff...

I think Clark is going to surprise some folks though.