Will Hubris be the downfall of the Republican Party?

[Sophree]

Overplaying their hand with the Davis recall, etc.?

[Q]

1. I hope so...

...but we might keep in mind that it's not 'hubris' if the media calls it something else.

[Sophree]

6. Me too!

Screw the media. The media is NOT America.

[Touchdown]

2. I was talking about this very thing with a friend.

And we agreed. The Repubes are getting a little too big for their britches, and it's not just the recall....

Texas gerrymandering the districts, and calling the cops...Suprise legislation in the House...and calling the cops....Gerrymandering districts in Colorado, and laughing at the Dems for being too small to stop it...Coulter's "Treason"... DeLay's arrogance (I AM THE GOVERNMENT!)...Rioting in Palm Beach Co. ...Relaxing media ownership...silencing The Dixie Chicks...trying to silence the coverage of WH lies about yellow cake, oh' the list goes on.

People notice this crap. Don't ever think that they don't. Most people avoid the subject of politics with strangers, or even friends, but they notice.

Edited for REALLLLY bad typos.

[Sophree]

4. Good points, all

And yes, people are noticing!

[whoYaCallinAlib]

3. Hard to call it hubris when Davis has a 20% approval rate.

As someone said on TV the other day, the 80% who disapprove of Davis can't all be republicans. It almost seems like a "bipartisan" effort. Yeah, I know, it's republican money behind it. But if our fellow dems want to keep Davis in the govenor's mansion, all they gotta do is vote for him. End of problem.

[Sophree]

5. They already DID vote for him

What are you talking about? They DID just vote for him a few months ago.

Recalling someone who has done nothing impeachable and who is legally elected is wrong and undemocratic.

[sandnsea]

24. Why is it 20%???

The same propaganda that's driving the recall? Why isn't there more on the energy fraud? Why haven't we had power shortages like those in 2001? Why aren't people outraged over being cheated on their power bills?

"After first denying such behavior, Sempra, the parent company of San Diego Gas & Electric, told the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission that it shipped power to the Northwest, repurchased it and sold it back to California."

The whole thing is mind-boggling. I never knew Californians to be doormats and that the fraud isn't the focus right now is quite telling in what is happening in California politics.

[Sophree]

26. I almost blew a gasket

Last night when my Dad (liberal-minded Independent) said that Arnold should become Gov. and they should "Kick the bum out (Davis.)"

What? Manipulating the Energy markets by Enron, etc., B*sh Admin. ignoring pleas for help by Davis PURPOSELY so they could 1)Have a weakened Gov. of CA 2)Help their friends and campaign donors line their pockets with money STOLEN from the people of CA.

And EVERY State is in budget crisis right now due to *'s Tax cut for the rich.

And you want to put Arnold Swarzenegger in charge of that mess and the world's 5th largest economy? WHaaaaaaa?

We don't live in CA, but I was horrified to realize that others like this.

My poor Dad. Mid-tyrade- "Ahhh! I don't care. I don't want to talk about it. You're preaching at me."

I apologized and later he told me he understands, I'm just passionate about my politics.

[rasputin1952]

7. Historicaly, that is precisely what happens...

especially in the GOP. bush is acting like he got 99.7% of the popular vote, and feels free to do whatever he wants. In the past,
this was the harbinger of failure for the party. Almost every time the GOP has had power, they haver shown an amzing capacity for self-destruction brought on by 'hubris'. When one adds the inevitable 'infighting' and fractionalization, the implosion becomes complete. The only difference between this administration and its GOP predecessors, is the speed in which this has happened.

Immediately after the 2000 election, before bush was installed into office, I said that the GOP would fall apart in the near future. It didn't take long to see what they were doing, and those of the GOP that didn't fall into line with the bushista's were given a cold shoulder. The moderates of the GOP basically ceased to be a part of the party, they were outcasts; and as Jeffords showed, they became disillusioned with the direction of the 'new republicans'.

IMHO...the public has just about had it with this radical idiot and his loyal band of maniacal zealots. I am in Nebraska, and very few that I speak to, think bush is worth more that sack of crap. For this to happen in a state like NE, the rest of the country most likely feels the same way. The worst part of this administration is the mess they are leaving for sane people to clean up, after the next election, when they are booted from power by a landslide. I have discussed bush in NE since his inauguration, and people feel terrible that they voted for this moron. It took a while to go sink in, but I believe NE might actually go agains bush in '04; these people are hurting from his policies, (or lack of policies).

one last item...on Press and Buchanan last night, Coulter asked, "what is the Dem plan for getting the country going again"?
Bill Press answered, "get rid of bush"!

[whoYaCallinAlib]

11. THAT is the problem with our party right now!!!

"Get rid of Bush"!! Yeah, that will work. That's all we gotta do. We don't have to give the voters something to vote FOR, we just gotta say "Bush is bad, vote for us". Come on. We better do better than that.

Back to Davis. If the dems in California want Davis to stay, all they gotta do is vote for him again. End of problem. No point in blaming the recall on repukes. Our comlaints and a dime won't get us a cup of coffee. What dems gotta do now is get out and vote for Davis. Real simple.

[Sophree]

12. No, that is the problem with our COUNTRY right noW

(B*sh)

At least it's the most immediate and pressing problem.

If you don't see the problem with recalling someone who has already been legally elected TWICE, there is no hope for you.

Buh-bye.

Edit:

The capital "W" in the word "now" in the subject line was unintentional, but I'm going to leave it that way. :snarf:

[whoYaCallinAlib]

22. If you don't see the problem with a 20% approval rating . . . .

[billyskank]

8. No, nemesis will be the downfall of the Repulicans

Hubris is what comes before.

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[Touchdown]

9. I thought Nemesis was the downfall of Star Trek.

:crazy: Well, it was a bad movie.

[billyskank]

10. It was that too

Lol! Star Trek V, now that was a really bad movie...

[Touchdown]

13. Hey! Fellow Fight Clubber!

"Martha Stewart is polishing brass on the Titanic. It's all going down!"

[billyskank]

14. Respect

:toast:

[thebigidea]

15. or will it be the love of pork rinds and poor combovers?

[Sophree]

16. I understand the bad combovers thing

Well, I don't really understand combovers (don't they know that bald men are sexier and more handsome than comboverers?)

But I don't get the love of pork rinds reference. Does Wolfowitz love pork rinds?

[pfitz59]

17. Bush Sr loves pork rinds.......

and hates broccoli. Jr loves PB&J samiches.

[amber dog democrat]

18. Hubris and the GOP

I have been saying the same thing for months.
Idiological conservative extremists don't seem to realize how dangerous power is nor how to use it -

Here in Texas, this redistricting thing is still being fought in the legislature.

Now we are faced with a 3rd special session to carry out Tom Delay's mandate.

The longer this farce plays, the more damage it will do to the Repubs.
The are acting like school yard bullies.

And it has not gotten to the courts yet.

Yeah, I woud say on the local and national scenes there will be lots of un forseen and un wanted consequences stemming from Neo Con Hubris.

I wouid prefer not to be living through it and be reading about it years later instead. Power is a very dangerous thing in the wroing hands....especially if those leaders actually believe they are acting on a mandate - instead of acting out a role. Wooden headed leaders, disenfranchisement of the greater population & some kind of national disaster = the necessary ingrediants for real social turmoil.

Oil is the key to this whole thing. It has to be.

[Sophree]

21. I feel your pain

I'm in FL, it's almost as bad here. Fortunately it seems that native Floridians and Texans are starting to get tired of all the bullying and destruction the * Cabal are promoting.

"Power is a very dangerous thing in the wroing hands....especially if those leaders actually believe they are acting on a mandate - instead of acting out a role. Wooden headed leaders, disenfranchisement of the greater population & some kind of national disaster = the necessary ingrediants for real social turmoil."

Very true and welcome to DU! :hi:

You will find a reprieve here from all the wingnuttiness around you.

[Sophree]

20. Ewwwwwww

I knew they were white trash with NO CLASS, pretending to be Patricians.

Pork rinds? :puke:

[Capn Sunshine]

19. PROBABLY. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN BEFORE.

[Kanola]

23. Remember Gingrich and "Contract on America"

I know it was "Contract for America". He was slam dunked after he thought he was Uber King of Congress. This IMHO is a Repug pattern and will lead to the downfall. Again. They never learn.

[blm]

25. yes...absolutely.

And they have no moderate mask left for 2004 that is big enough to hide their right wing arrogance.