Clark on Hardball now... continued...

[wyldwolf]

[Jackhammer Jesus]

1. "I don't pay attention to endorsements..."

"...unless they're for me."

:P

[eileen_d]

3. LOL - good answer!

Clark is top notch.

[Kahuna]

87. That was really cute the way he said it.

nt

[wyldwolf]

2. Props for Clinton...

Better than Reagan/Nixon?

Of Course!

[wyldwolf]

4. Tweety trying to dis Clintons...

[eileen_d]

5. kick

I'm not watching but I want to hear about it!

[Kahuna]

6. Tweety is out for red meat. And Clark knows it.

Go Wes, go!

[laruemtt]

7. oh-oh-oh

i'm losing my depression over gore's endorsement. man o man, Clark's got some major mojo and he's got my heart. :loveya:

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Gore endorsed him????? n/t

[SahaleArm]

52. Gore will endorse Dean tomorrow *nm*

[Kahuna]

12. Forget the beloved Gore. His political acumen has always

left a lot to be desired. Remember, he picked Lieberman when he could have had Graham. Speaks volumes.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. I take it he didn't endorse Clark.

Oh well.

[Kahuna]

60. He's going to endorse Dean tomorrow in NYC. I wish I could..

be there so I can boo them both. :evilgrin:

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. I can't believe I forgot

about this! How's he been doing???

[Kahuna]

9. Tweety was really chagrined by the overwhelming reception..

clark received. He just hated that. Good.

[wyldwolf]

10. He rolled his eyes!

:eyes:

[bearfartinthewoods]

15. that's because the walk wasted time

he needs time for the inquisition.

[Kahuna]

18. I'm sure.

:evilgrin:

[BootinUp]

122. Saw that...he (tweety) wants to be in control n/t

[Field Of Dreams]

14. Yeah ... Matthews had this WTF expression on his face.

Go Wes!

[SayitAintSo]

35. I saw that .... sickening.....

Can't stand tweety....

[kiahzero]

13. Matthews tried to sick Clark on Dean

He's seeming to take the high road.

[maddezmom]

16. details...

I can't see it. :(

[Kahuna]

17. Military leader vs. draft dodger question.

Clark not taking the bait.

[maddezmom]

22. good : )

thanks for the update.

[Snellius]

19. Clark really knows how to turn a question on the questioner

He plays the media like Kennedy. What he did to Asman on FOX is still a classic: "Don't you dare twist my words."

[Red_Storm]

24. So far Clark is handling Matthews with ease........

and the look on Matthews face as he watched the great reception Clark received was....priceless.......

[Kahuna]

32. They have put each other on notice...

Tweety: I'm being nice to you this time.

Clark: You've always been nice to me (on notice)

Tweety: I'm not nice. No I'm not. I haven't always been nice. (on notice).

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Hot Damn!

That was good! He looks exceptionally handsome tonight...or is it just me? :7 Go Clark!

[Kahuna]

21. Well...

He does look handsome tonight. You're right. Tweety looks like a toad sitting next to him. I'm sure that Tweety must be feeling a bit selfconscious. :evilgrin:

[meow mix]

28. lol

he should.

ahhhh, i feel so much better just watching him =)

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Holy Moly!

Who told him that about Iraq? Rumsfeld?

[laruemtt]

25. not just you!

he is - severely!!!!

[rasputin1952]

26. For those who can' t see...

Wes came on a little shaky, but has gained his row within 5 min's.

Tweety trying to bait him, Clark slapping back with decent 'high road' answers.
Tweety tried to bait with Hillary, didn't work.

Now asking about Clark's thoughts on 9-11.

[maddezmom]

40. thanks ; )

[janx]

92. Good for Clark for not taking the bait!

.

[Justice]

129. A little shaky?

What are you talking about?

[rasputin1952]

158. His opening was a little shaky...

I could tell he was a little nervous before he found hi 'spot'.

That happens a lot with Tweety, because you're never really sure what his 'bow shot' will be.

Took about 3 min's for Clark to dominate completely. There was no turning back once he knew he was not gonna be blindsided.

O8)

[AlinPA]

27. Clark is thoughtful, firm, and wiping the floor with the slimy pig

Matthews.

[meow mix]

44. whoa

clark is owning hardball =)

[wyldwolf]

29. WHOA! That Saddam quote! Sheeeit!

[Kathleen04]

36. For those who can't see..

the Saddam quote is that someone told Clark after September 11th.. "9/11--Saddam Hussein--if he didn't do it, he should have, cause we're going to get him anyways." He's telling it to illustrate how they were planning to go after Iraq while we were still in Afghanistan.

[janx]

106. Clark just said that someone in the administration told him that?

Is that what happened?

[cally]

130. Yes, Clark's said that before

several times. Pentagon person telling that they planned to go into Iraq right after 9/11

[BlueEyedSon]

31. transatlantic alliance answer was great!

we would be:
600m people
3 permanent UN seats
1/2 the world's GDP
what COULDN'T we accomplish?

yeah baby!

oops im 5 min delayed on the TiVo....

[Kathleen04]

39. Gotta love the TiVo..

I'm behind too. ;)

[Kahuna]

43. No tivo for me. I have a TV tuner in my pc. I'm recording it

to my harddrive and on the old VCR. If I like it, I'll save from my tv tuner to a DVD.

So far this looks like a keeper. }(

[Red_Storm]

46. yeah, that was his best response so far........eom

[rasputin1952]

33. Clark hitting on bush and saddam...

he's gonna clobber bush in a few minutes I can feel it!

[Hoppin_Mad]

34. Clark is doing great >

and he's a class act. Tweety baited him why he'd be a better choice than Dean who avoided military service, and Clark didn't take the hook. He talked about his leadership instead.

he's a good man !

[madfloridian]

37. Clark is doing a fantastic job.

The audience is taking it in quietly. He is powerful!

[Kahuna]

38. Tweety being nice now. Asking about slimey Cheney's

seperate intelligence office to justify the war. Would Clark have one? Absolutely not.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. I think Tweety

finally figured out that he ain't gonna be bullying our man Clark around! Hehe! :bounce:

[Kahuna]

56. I think so too. Clark put him on notice.

nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. This man just

OOZES intellect! Damn he's smart! Why would someone NOT vote for him?? He is amazing!

[BlueEyedSon]

58. He may be the smartest candidate.

Rhodes Scholar and all.....

[TacticalPeek]

42. Thanks from the land of cubes.

Help me redeem the day.

[rasputin1952]

45. He hit on Cheney as being the powerhouse...

"would not allow a VP to have that power".

Smacked bush and admin on Iraq....'went to war with bad info/bait and switch and then pryed they'd find justification. they didn't it was a bad plan, and has cost us far too much....crowd VERY vociferous and applause is killing Tweety.

[TexasPatriot]

48. he came pretty close to calling for impeachment there...

heh
not quite enough Dems in the senate for that sort of thing, but i know how he feels.

[meow mix]

49. tweety said he's gaining

and probally ahead of kerry in NH

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Whose guilty

of using the false intelligience? Cheney or Bush? Clark..Truman said..."The Buck Stops Here"..it was Bush's fault! Woohoo! Go, Baby!

[Kahuna]

51. Tweety is now trying to get Clark to say something ..

edited to change "going to" to "trying to" in the subject line.

wreckless about what Clark believes was the bushistas real reason for going to war.

So far, Clark hasn't said anything he can't back up.

[texas is the reason]

53. very bold statements re: iraq!

still a deanie, but major kudos to clark for saying what he has said tonight. his credibility on this issue allows him to attack bush on iraq like no other candidate can, and the entire ABB cause benefits greatly from this...

[maddezmom]

54. what did he say? n/t

[texas is the reason]

71. lots-

he talked about how right after 911 rummy and wolfowitz said to him "have you heard the joke- if hussein didn't do this he should have" he went on for 5 minutes about how they were out to mislead the public to get us into iraq from day 1, and how this is an impeachable offense. he went on to speculate about what thier motives could have been, and spelled out all the PNAC theories that we know about, but the public doesn't.(unfortunately, he didn't mention PNAC though)props to clark!

[maddezmom]

79. thanks

can't wait to see the transcript. But the live play by play helps me get the feel of the interview that is lacking in the print. :)

[rasputin1952]

55. At halftime...

Clark is eating up Tweety!

Last ? before break, "who is responsible for Iraq?"

Clark: Harry Truman said' the buck stops here', the president is responsible.

Holy shit!
he's perfectly on target!

He's not gonna let up...he's killing Tweety...Tweety already gave up on the trick questions...has to go for the straight stuff, and he's setting up the aedmin for a HUGE slapping!!

[TacticalPeek]

57. Delish.

[rasputin1952]

62. going into internal stuff now...

Jobs...etc

Osama< Tweety...Clark try Osama, if caught in The Hague as crime against humanity in International court

Capital punishment ?

Clark: you can adequately punish bin-Laden without "executinmg him"

Osama and buddies in a cave underground damp and miserable

[Justice]

134. Important Reason for the Hague

Clark says trying Bin Laden in the Hague will be good for our relations with other countries - Laden's trial/conviction will have credibility with other countries - allies and others. If we try Bin Laden here, proceedings will be suspect.

This is a great point, and dovetails into how Clark will restore our standing in the world.

[grasswire]

63. bin Laden...

...should be brought to the Hague for trial. Simple retribution against him isn't enough. Long term interests should prevail.

Good joke about Dutch prisons.

ohoh.....spanking Dean for comment about LIHOP

[maddezmom]

84. Go Wes!!! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. Offshore jobs.

offshore jobs...no incentives for the companies who take jobs offshore. Give incentives to companies who keep jobs here. #1 Domestic priority is JOBS.

[maddezmom]

86. tax incentives to those that keep jobs here...Wahooo

[laruemtt]

61. folks, we are looking

at a winner!

[grasswire]

64. a landslide winner

I believe he could win with a landslide.

[NNN0LHI]

65. You know something?

A Rhodes Scholar can make Tweetty look pretty stupid. I always thought he was pretty sharp, but tonight Tweety look like the idiot he is. Holy shit! Clark just said he would not rule out LIHOP as per Dean. Just said the chances were very low of something like that could happen. Wow!

Don

[BlueEyedSon]

74. Oh God Please CLARK/DEAN or DEAN/CLARK

and I'm an atheist!

[Anaxamander]

163. You are so right...

When I was watching last night that's all I could think. I really like Dean, but he allowed Matthews to control the conversation, to ask multiple questions and interrupt him, and most importantly, he provided the conservative talk show nation with a sound bite that paints him as a draft dodger.

Clark just showed what Matthews really is: a stupid talking head with a list of "gotcha" questions. Did you notice how, when Clark refused to provide terse soundbytes, but instead went into great detail about his retirement, that Matthews looked bored as bored as a 12 year-old in a retirement home? Matthews doesn't want detail or logic. He wants, obviously, to rankle the candidates and trip them up with loaded questions. Clark was too smart to let him do that. He made Matthews look like the fucking moron he is. I was very impressed by the General.

[Kahuna]

66. Now dragging out Swartzkoff (sp?) second hand Shelton..

statements. Clark setting his ass straight. But good. Chris, he's quoting heresay...duh?

[maddezmom]

91. where are they now? n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Integrity question.

GEEZ! He has answered that question more times than I can remember. Tweety sucks! He knows the answer to that question. Dickhead!

[rasputin1952]

68. Policy dispute with pentagon.

Clark said it was his duty to warn Pentagon, and people to warn people about NATO

but was voted down

[wyldwolf]

69. FINALLY! Clark responds to Shelton's comments!

Policy dispute between him and Republican pentagon officers working with the Republican senate. Gave details! WAIT for the transcript!

[TacticalPeek]

75. Hot diggity damn!

Although that stuff is mostly sideshow, I love it when Clark dons his General Smackdown uniform!

[wyldwolf]

70. BAM! Clark was NOT relieved!

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. Tweety interrupted him

and he said..."You have to let me anwer the first question you asked me." :7 Taking no guff!

Cohen praised Clark and the whole slam was POLITICAL. Good one!

[Kahuna]

73. Oh shyte. General smackdown is in control...

said, the generals are playing politics. A word that Chris is not unfamiliar with. Should've seen the the look on Tweety's stupid face.
Clark is not taking his shyte tonight.

[Ksec]

140. This was all in the magazine article in Esquire nt

[rasputin1952]

76. Clark says he was nor 'releived' fromNATO

Clark says he was asked to retire early, then leaked to WP to keep him from leaking info as being relieved.

Clinton says Clark NOT fired......

Hit TYweety in face with "Politics"....Shelton asked Clark to retire 3 mo's early...had to tell State...he was not fired...WP called him at the dinner 45 min's after being told to retire...


Tweety keeps going into this....not getting anywhere.

[Cush]

77. Back to the Clintons

trying to get Clark to attack him

[Kahuna]

78. Now desperate Tweety trying to get Clark to criticize Clinton...

for not sticking up for him against Cohen and Shelton. Tweety is incredulous that Clark still likes and trusts Clinton after that.

[LittleApple81]

85. He just said: I want to talk about what is important to this country

and this is NOT important to the country!!!!
If I had a primary in my state, he would have my vote!!!!!!

[Cush]

80. Clark: This is not important

Tweety wants to keep talking about it, run out the clock. THey already wasted an entire segment on it

[Kahuna]

81. Tweety wants to continue beating the dead horse after..

the commercial break.

Clark. I want to talk about what's important to this country. This is not important to this country.

[rasputin1952]

82. Clark says, "I want to talk about what is important...

to country, his NATO stuff is not important to country".

went to break

[in_cog_ni_to]

83. Clark..."I want to talk about what

is important in this country and THIS is not important to our country." (Shelton)

[TacticalPeek]

89. What a ray of light in TalkTV!

Maybe Tweety has a little bit of shame left?

Nah.

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. Coming up...

Clark's favorite book, movie and philosopher. Can't wait!

[AlinPA]

90. Attack on a minor point: GOP argument style.

Thats what Matthews is doing with this "Clark being relieved of duty" claim. Keeps pounding on it, even though Clark explains it. Matthews is slime.

[Name removed]

93. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Kahuna]

102. Start a different thread please.

:shrug: Where did this guy come from? :crazy:

[texas is the reason]

110. just j/k - thought you might have seen the commercial while watching clark

seems logical....

[Cush]

94. back to the Clintons

[Kahuna]

95. Hammering Clark on "gay marraige." Clark says the same thing..

Dean said. But Tweety didn't hammer Dean. He let is slide.

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. Gay Marriage...Civil Union

EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER LAW! 4 TIMES! Issue should be a state issue. It should be up to church's, synogogues and Mosques.

PNAC!!!! He's talking about it!

[TacticalPeek]

97. Here I'd thought Gore's king-maker move

would step on Clark's appearance and momentum trend.

Just reading this I'm feeling its the other way around.

:)

[maddezmom]

112. I feel the same....Thank God I found DU!

[Cush]

98. PNAC!!!

PNAC was set up to make Clinton look weak, they did the same with Carter

[TexasPatriot]

99. woohooo... smackdown on PNAC!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. Gay Marriage...Civil Union

EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER LAW! 4 TIMES! Issue should be a state issue. It should be up to churches, synagogues and Mosques.

PNAC!!!! He's talking about it!

[eleny]

101. PNAC!

Project For A New American Century - loud and clear!

[texas is the reason]

103. YES!!!! talking about PNAC!!!

kick ass clark!!

[rasputin1952]

104. Gays...

sdhould have same rights as every one else.

"EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER LAW"! said it 5 timews!

As a straight guy...I love it.....WE'RE ALL EQUAL!!!!!


PNAC mentioned to make Clinton look weak! Shit, I fell out of the chair


PNAC would have looked for way to get into IRAQ!


9-11 was "Prest...perfect opportunity"..to get into Iraq and get Hussein

OH GOD! WES IS THE PRES!!!!!!!

[wyldwolf]

105. Republicans were looking for an excuse to get back into Iraq...

[KittyWampus]

107. Should Osama Be Tried In Hague?

Yes, legitimates International Law, Justice... witnesses from many nations against him.

Dean couldn't answer that one!

Did Saudi's tip off Bush Admin about 9/11?

NO- It doesn't work that way.

[KittyWampus]

111. Project For New American Century

movement to use force to make Clinton AND Carter Administration to look weak.

Mentioned Committe on Present Danger adn SALT Treaty???

[Red_Storm]

131. Dean did answer that one..............

he said he didn't care where Osama was tried as long as he was tried..........now compare that answer to the intelligent answer Clark gave tonight..........

[LittleApple81]

108. I had never seen somebody BEAT Matthews so throuroughly!!!! n/t

[Snellius]

109. He's brilliant on the politics behind neocon foreign policy

"PNAC was an attempt to undermine Clinton by making him look weak."

[Kahuna]

113. On Defense of Marraige Act: Clark: that is not the way it

should be handled now. Things have changed. Tweety: But Clinton signed it. Clark: Well, Clinton is evolving too. Slap down!

[maddezmom]

excellent!!!

he really tells it like it is.... :)

[Kahuna]

121. That was priceless, wasn't it?

Go Clark. You proved your mettle and resolve tonight.

[Cush]

114. Clark looks as Tweety

We Didn't get to talk about Economics.....should have added "Because of you Clinton obsession"

[kiahzero]

123. He was talking to his boss when he said that

Deputy Undersecretary of Defense and SACEUR aren't exactly positions that regularly discuss economics.

[OKNancy]

126. I may not understand this post

but... you do know that Clark has a Masters in Economics, taught economics at West Point, and is a licensed investment banker?

[kiahzero]

115. I don't believe in litmus tests

Me neither, Clark, me neither.

[rasputin1952]

116. Fiscal responsibility....

take back tax cuts for > 250K

Could call it theft

didn't have the money to cut

Restore fiscal responsibility.


Great Santini fav book

Dr Zhivago fav movie

Plato...Davis Hume philosopher


SCOTUS...appointees must be willing to advance the causes of the nation/ RoevWade was good

[Kahuna]

117. The End. Oh well Tweety. You tried....

But you failed, SUCKA! Moo bwa ha ha ha ha! :evilgrin:

[blm]

125. He did great.

I'm glad he sounds so coolheaded and thoughtful. I really hope he does well.

[LittleApple81]

118. If I had ANY WAY OF INFLUENCING THE CHOICE OF NOMINEE CLARK

WOULD BE IT!!!!!

[Clark Can WIN]

149. You do have a way, we all do

Ask your local Clark grassroots group how you can get involved writing letters and making phone calls in support of his candidacy.

And of course......... give :-) http://www.americansforclark.com/

[meow mix]

119. HE SAID PNAC!

wooooooot! i love you clark.

[maddezmom]

120. Thanks everyone

almost felt like I was watching. Go Clark!!!

[TacticalPeek]

124. The Best Man!

Gore's blunder has not changed my judgement of Clark or Dean, only Gore.

I've decided to get out my turnip press and squeeze out some blood-money for Clark, fiscal responsibility be damned! (I love ya DU, but I'll have to get back to you a week from Tuesday.)

:)

[frank frankly]

127. sounds like he was perfect

thanks, general clark.

can't wait for the transcript!!!!!!!

[LTR]

128. Clark wiped the floor with Tweety!!!

Clark owned Hardball tonight. One of his best appearances.

Was very clear on all the issues, answered everything and more. Was not fazed.

Are the doubters sure tehy don't want to see him in the White House after this? This guy's a powerhouse!

Great job by the General! Who cares what Gore thinks? This is the guy who will win!

[Red_Storm]

133. Clark was on point tonight............

great performance.........the more I listen to him speak on the issues......the more impressed I am.........

[Jerseycoa]

132. I don't know about anybody else

But I am restored, refreshed, and ready to win the fucking nomination. B-)

[maddezmom]

138. watching Clark now~ re-run from FL

On C-Span now... :)

[jayfish]

148. Good!! Always Remember,...

not a single vote has been cast.

Jay

[BootinUp]

135. Well I waited to post until after the show, my take

The audience gave Clark a rousing welcome.

Clark started out very coolly and cleverly, "I don't care about endorsements,...unless they're for me." I love that line.

The main thing to take away from this debate is really how well Clark performs against an interviewer trying to trip him up. Clark controlled the interview for the most part. Although Matthews was particularly stubborn trying to force his own perception on us as is the typical pundit method these days.

Matthews wouldn't stop repeating questions about Clark's forced retirement. Clark went into detail and characterized it as a political power play, and Clinton did not know what had happened until after the story was leaked.

Clark delivered his standard attack on Bushie, good job.

A little on domestic policy, taxes, gay marriages, tweeties favorite topic.

This was a good performance by Clark, hope America was watching!

[Snellius]

143. At least on foreign policy, Clark is the most genuinely interesting

Unfortunately on domestic issues, he still has to fall back on verbatim talking points "equal rights under the law", "jobs creation program," "I believe in Roe v. Wade", "I believe in affirmative action." He's a truly exceptional person. His intelligence is fascinating to listen to. He reminds more of Kennedy than any candidate since Bobby. Even if he loses the nomination, what a great Sectretary of State or Defense. It's great that this campaign, if nothing else, has rescued Clark from his obscurity in Little Rock.

[BootinUp]

150. Fine points, my thoughts

continue to be on just winning the general election. I am quite concerned about Dean against Bush.

New poll data from CNN I just posted in GD....Dean is widening the gap according to this poll.

[Tom Rinaldo]

152. About Clark and Domestic Policy

It is very rare, so rare in fact that I can not remember it happening, when Clark is given more than 45 or so seconds to addresse any domestic issue other than a hot button cultural one, like Gay marriages or flag burning, when he is being interviewed on TV. He is either asked to talk about "mistakes" his campaign made, his thoughts about Dean, slurs against him, or gotcha attempts to catch him in past flip flops, or, or, just maybe, Iraq.

Clark's domestic postiions are increasingly well thought out and detailed. I urge you to review Clark's "Turnaround Plan for America" which not only is detailed, but also provides specific measurements to hold Clark accountable.

[SahaleArm]

154. Bingo - He's spent most of his time defending himself.

Neither Russert nor Matthews gave him a chance to expand upon his domestic agenda. The election choreography by the press has been stunning.

[BootinUp]

155. "election choreography by the press"

We should make sure this phrase is added to the political vernacular.

its so accurate.

[tokenlib]

156. He doesn't get the time on domestic issues..

Everyone focuses on foreign/defense policy with Clark. I think if he was allowed adequate time on domestic policy you would hear just as much substance. But by the time they ask Clark about domestic issues--the clock is almost empty.

[jpgpenn]

136. Clark brought up Bob Graham a few times

Makes you wonder what they were talking about down in Florida this past weekend.:toast:

[quaker bill]

137. Great performance by Wes

Tweety drives me nuts though. If only he would get on some meds and slow down a bit...

Wes just gets stronger every week.

[chimpymustgo]

141. This was very restorative after Gore's premature endorsulation earlier.

Clark is a much better candidate, and will make a better President. We have to keep fighting. I still like Clark, Edwards and Kerry miles better than Dean. And since MOST of us don't like someone trying to "select" the winner, we should just keep on fighting for what we think is right.

[Ksec]

139. Tweety looked a little dejected since he wasnt able to beat Clark up

I noticed he seemed a bit off kilter when someone strong wont let him lead them. Clark showed the world that he is a fair man that can be a force when the situation presents itelf.

Compare that with Dean who lets reporters lead him around by the nose. Big difference and its shows who has leadership traits.

[Red_Storm]

142. very good points.................n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

144. I know this will sound arrogant

But now is the time for supporters of Democratic candidates other than Clark or Dean to decide which of those two men they would rather have as the nominee. There is no one other than Clark who can inspire the degree of passion needed to sufficiently fire up enough supporters to stand up to the support and money that Dean has mustered. Clark inspires confidence, he projects strength and clarity. He can be incredibly forceful one moment and completely disarming the next. The rest of the Democratic field had over a year to prove themselves against Dean, and they had incredible advantages to begin with. They failed.

Clark is still winning people over with his commen sense and intellectual fire power, he is obviously a man able to take command of a situation, and he took command of Mathews. At one point, I think it was during the "gay marriage" baiting, Mathews kept reframing his question with new prefaces and Clark said "I was prepared to answer your question the first time before you asked it again."

Clark joked duing Hardball about how campaigning is an art form, which he is now learning rapidly, but leadership requires a different set of skills which he has practiced throughout his life. When Clark talks about that it is obvious that he isn't just making a speech. What amazes me is how quickly he is mastering campaigning also. Take your choice, Dean or Clark. Ain't gonna be anyone else.

[Snellius]

145. Excellent analysis.

It is the decisive time to see who's in it for their own ego and whose in it for the good of the country. It's time to focus the beam.

[tokenlib]

157. It does sound a bit premature...

The time will come soon enough when supporters of candidates in the single digits will have to make a decision. Let's not push it. Too many ecstatic Deanies are "pushing" the issue right now with "the train is leaving the station--get on board-- you lost" comments. Let's not make the same mistake by pushing the supporters of the other candidates.

Though I agree with much of what you are saying--some of the Deanies are really pissing me off with their arrogance--so we need to show more respect for the other candidates and their supporters.

. I really liked Gore better as an elder statesman--apparently he isn't old enough for the role yet. This is not statesman like on his part..

[rasputin1952]

146. Almost an hour after Hardball...

and I'm still jumpiong inside!

Heads up for those that couldn't watch, nutshell:

Clark came out to great appaluse and reception, took Tweety off center.

Was honest and truthful in answering questions. No real 'sound-bites', but real explanations, and answers to questions.

After the first 3 minutes, he was firmly in control, and Tweety knew it!

Clark did not trip up or fall into any traps...he did his homework, and did it well.

Tweety hit on some hard questions, ie, gay marriage, and Wes handled them beautifully, (Equal Rights Under the Law!)

If you get a chance watch the replay, it will move you. If not, there is no way a transcript can show you how intense Clark was, but if you looked at the audience at Harvard, you could see in EVERY face, that this man had the room in his control!

It was a great night for Dems everywhere!!!! I bet Rove is choking on his tie, and Cheney is on his way to CCU! (bush is still listening to the story Pickles is trying to explain to him since noon).

O8)

[CWebster]

147. Okay, someone want to tell me

Clark claims he is the better choice because, although he has no experience politically, or in governing, he is a proven leader(military), though the point was made that there are unavoidable concerns regarding his leadership record. How is the question of his claim compromised by issues of "forced retirement" or rash decisions made at Pristina?

[SahaleArm]

151. Al Franken would be proud

1. SACEUR is a political/diplomatic position as much as a military one
2. You mention political experience - No he's not a cockroach
3. He provides proven foreign policy leadership
4. Forced Retirement meme - Lies espoused by BFEE/PNAC
5. Pristina Airfield meme - http://www.clarkmyths.com/myth4.html

[CWebster]

164. Sorry

He couldn't adequately answer it on Hardball. There is just too much lack of substance or depth on the issues, too many corporate connections and dealings, too many questions about his military performance, too many connections to the DLC wing.

[DemCam]

153. Hit the rewind, CW

It was politics, buddy...a word we're all familiar with.

[Donna Zen]

159. FWIW

Recently someone at one after a speech said to Clark: You're going on Hardball; don't let Matthews push you around.

Clark replied: Matthews won't push me around, I'll be in the same room with him.

Also, up thread someone commented on Clark having done his homework. On foreign policy, Clark would be acting as anyone else's advisor. Yes, domestic issues instead of Shelton would be a relief.

Off to read David Hume. An interesting choice...a philosopher of the Enlightenment.

[Kat45]

160. I talked to some people who were in the audience for Hardball

They were talking about what was going on during the commercial breaks. Tweety was making his annoying comments, criticizing Clinton, of course. Meanwhile, Clark was walking around shaking hands with the students. (Majority of the seats were given to students.)

I was with some other folks holding up Clark signs outside before the show started. When Clark walked by us on his way to the show, he thanked us for being there.

I watched the show in a bar with other Clark supporters, and we all thought he did great on the show. We did a lot of cheering for his answers. I loved it when he mentioned PNAC, and I also loved the way he'd throw things back in Tweety's face (much like he did on that Fox interview). I truly believe that Clark has what it takes to both win the White House and save our country from the damage the bush* cabal has done to it.

[joanski01]

161. I think what we saw

last night could be called "The Wesley Clark Show". He was absolutely the best.

[JNelson6563]

162. Thanks everybody for the play by play

I am sorry I missed it. Sure would've loved to see the General hand Tweety his ass.

I really think the General and the Doctor are going to be on the ticket. I hope the haterz from both camps get it together soon.

Rock on General!

Julie