Gore Just Made an Idiot Out of Himself

[Starpass]

I am so aghast and disappointed. I may be a Clark supporter, but I was all geared up for Gore's endorsement of Dean a few minutes ago because FINALLY we had the national media actually going to broadcast something a Democrat said!!! Here was the opportunity plus the raw meat for the clips that will be on the news all day.

Gore appeared like someone who had not thought about what he was going to say or do until he stumbled onto the stage. His usual fluent speaking manner was as bad or worse than our Moron in Chief on one of his more incoherent days. Gore looked and sounded like he just fell out of bed or had a few belts before speaking. It was just plain weak and made Dems look weak with no message.

How can we keep doing stuff like this?? Thank God, Howard spoke first and got some good points in, sounded strong and sounded intelligent, etc. Gore just made the Dems in general sound lame and weak. He looked like he was searching for a message because couldn't think of anything. He was a disappointment.

[LincolnMcGrath]

1. Are you high?

Even the right wing tv entertainers thought Gore was passionate and inspired.

[virtualobserver]

3. Gore sounded like a human being

He was great.

[Starpass]

11. If he was, then Bush is a great orator!!

I was stunned at his performance. He just did not have a speech--he groped, he blathered and I was ready for CNN or others to cut him off with one of those "well, that's enough for today" type of comments. He could have packed a lot of message into those few minutes of why we must go after Bush. He didn't. "We can't afford 3 more years"--okay, Al, now tell us WHY!

[trumad]

2. No he didn't

and he clearly said his main speech was coming up in Iowa..... Now if he would have done this for Clark you'd be praising everything he did....

[slinkerwink]

6. that's the point right there

[Corgigal]

4. I thought Gore sounded better then Dean

BUT Dean talks much better then Bush. Bush is the one we want to beat NOT Gore.

[illini]

5. What? Are you Smoking Crack??

NT

[Hep]

7. Hello, BIAS!

I heard him speak and I was impressed. Although at one point it sounded like someone turned off the teleprompter.

[warrior1]

15. I respect your feelings but

Al Gore was brilliant. What we need is not to divide but to put all our weight and belief into Howard Dean's passion. Read what Josh Marshall says.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_12_07.html#002295

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The Republicans hold the two houses of congress by slender majorities. But they are running the place like they have two-thirds majorities in each house. They are pushing through all sorts of things and the Democrats can't really get their act together to stop any of it. With the exception of holding up some judicial nominations they are virtually impotent. And that doesn't at all reflect the reality that the country remains extremely divided along partisan lines.

They're playing by an outmoded set of rules, operating on a defunct system of party discipline, and are generally getting creamed.

The outrage this spawns is the wind that is filling Dean's sails. It's one big, collective: Enough!

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. Public Speaking: I'd rather get a needle in the eye

Actually, that's not all true. I like the rehearsed kind of speech, but having to think fast on your feet to answer questions? Knowing that's coming is too much of a distraction.

[Hep]

25. I love it

I love those "put you on the spot" challenges.

[poskonig]

8. Gore usually has an unorganized feel to him.

though I didn't see any major problems in his announcement.

[Patriot_Spear]

9. oh give me a break...

Knock off the sour grapes, please.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. Wow, the irony of calling anyone an idiot...

after posting that is amazing. As a Clark supporter I know enough to give credit where it is due. As much as i wish he had held off on the endorsment, the speech Gore gave today was powerful.

[Guaranteed]

17. Well, you've gotta admit that it's not quite as impassioned

as "I Hope the Bloodshed in Iraq Continues."

[nomaco-10]

32. Yep, it would be hard to top that one.

[slinkerwink]

23. thank you for saying that.....

Gore was absolutely correct when he said we cannot afford another four years of Bush/Cheney and that we really have to change the Democratic Party.

[prolesunited]

12. Did you actually WATCH the event?

I'm not in anyone's camp yet so this comes from an unbiased perspective. I didn't see that at all. In what ways did he make Dems sound lame and weak?

[Cooley Hurd]

13. Were you watching the same speech I was?

Where it wasn't as passioante as his MoveOn.org speech last month, it was still eloquent...

[unfrigginreal]

14. Is this your fairness doctrine thread?

Equal riling of all sides?

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. I agree

and for him to "suggest" that supporters of other candidates get behind Dean now.... SUCKED...Big Time! This is going to do more harm than good in the Dean campaign. Gore dissed Kerry, Lieberman and Edwards by coming out with an endorsement so early. Their supporters are probably as "put off" by this as the Clark supporters are. WHO do you think those supporters of the other candidates will throw their support behind? I doubt it will be Dean. Backlash cometh!

[trumad]

21. You do know you're sounding like a big

[Mel]

35. no no no

that's not what Gore said he didn't suggest get behind Dean now but that he Gore is behind Dean now.

He talked about Reagun and his 11th commandment don't speak bad of Republicans.

Gore suggested that when a democrat is nominated we get behind that person whoever that is?

Gore more or less said that dems aren't going to walk in lockstep like Republicans do at least for now we aren't that's what I got from it.

[La_Serpiente]

19. Cut the crap

Nuff said

[nomaco-10]

20. deleted myself for content...

Sorry, my comments were out of line.

[LTR]

30. Edited for the edit (or something like that)

Let's play nice in the sandbox, kids!

[Snellius]

22. You seem more worried about how it will play on FOX

than what actually went down. This is not the old Al Gore. He doesn't give a crap if he may look unpolished or unprepared or "weak". He knows who he is. We know who he is. We know what he is saying. Who cares how the media will spin it? He has finally learned to stop letting what he thinks others will think of him determine who he is. You should too.

[LincolnMcGrath]

33. He and We know

Al won the last election.

[kaitykaity]

24. Oh, bullshit.

Is this like when Gore invented the Internet, or when
he was the inspiration for Love Story, or when he said
he traveled to a national emergency crisis but didn't . . . ?

Puh-leeze.

[Don Claybrook]

46. You're spouting RNC/Media Whore talking points

These points have been totally discredited by those who value truth.

You shouldn't allow your positions to be defined and shaped by professional liars. It ends up taking a toll.

[kaitykaity]

49. Maybe I should have turned my sarcasm light on.

(Calling someone a Republican is against the rules.)

[Myra]

26. Thanks so much for making us Clark supporters look bad Starpass

By attacking Prez Gore for giving his opinion, which he's damn well entitled to do. You're free to take or leave his opinion, as he pointed out. But Prez Gore gave a damn good speech, the latest in a series of damn good speeches.

[CWebster]

27. Gore used to be a god on this site - a fallen hero

and then with the onslaught of the Clark forces, suddenly he is despised and smeared. And now they pout and sulk and throw tantrums and hurl insults and post thread after thread using Republican talking points.

Something stinks. It reeks.

[BootinUp]

28. I wouldn't go that far....

But Gore is confused. He is confused because he thinks ONLY Dean has a grass roots movement. If anyone wants to debate whether Clark's campaign is grass roots similar to Dean's I am ready.

[Jivenwail]

29. Russert

I know I'm not a Russert fan, either. But did anyone hear what he said about Gore's endorsement of Dean? Said Gore's doing it now because he knows Dean's not the man to defeat Bush and because Gore wants to run again in '08. I'm certain I heard his say this on Imus this morning. Did anyone else here also hear Russert say this??

What would be behind a statement like that?

[CWebster]

38. garbage. nt

[Snellius]

40. Russert's nonsense. He thinks everyone is as cynical as he is.

All the Republican sellouts think like this: Imus, Tweety, Saffire, .... They think that, because they sold their mind and heart to the highest corporate bidder years ago, that all politians are just in it for the power and money like they are. This people are scum.

[Guaranteed]

51. Yup. Russert's on something.

Doesn't anyone play politics straight anymore?

Does anyone even know what the hell's going on? It's that old Princess Bride bit again, over and over....spinning into oblivion.

[kaitykaity]

41. I wouldn't use Russert as a source around here

if I were you. You could get your pants
singed off.

Russert was on the news last night bringing up
the MEME "the New Al Gore". Again. What a putz.

[Uzybone]

31. How nice

Im not on fire with Dean either, but calling Gore an idiot basically becasue he endoresed Dean is pretty low.

[Patriot_Spear]

37. It's the SOP for the anti-Dean crowd...

...for both GOP and Dem operatives. Sad but ture.

[Stuckinthebush]

42. It's called "lashing out" (n/t)

[AWD]

34. Wow.....did you watch the same speech as I did?

Try replacing "Clark" whenever he said "Dean" and you would have fallen over yourself to praise it.

[phirili]

36. M/Media so happy Gore endorsed Dean that Gore finally gets air time

Seems to me that we have an internal war in the Democratic party.

Gore snubbed Clinton during the Repug created Monia scandal; then went on to make his presidential run, without seeking Clinton's support or trying to mend fences.

This sets up an interesting two weeks in the Democratic Primaries, as Gore will force other big name democrats to endorse candidates (Don't expect the media to cover the endorsements unless it's for Dean).

Gore showed no loyalty to Clinton when it was badly needed; and has continued in this vein with his treatment of Lieberman.

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[Renew Deal]

44. Starpass is no republican

Believe me, anyone that get's quoted by name on FR is no republican.

[sfecap]

48. Oh, I remember now....

The one who wishes more Americans would get killed in Iraq?

Disgusting. Wonder how that plays with Clark supporters?

Why is she still here?

[onecitizen]

43. It's been a while since.............

I'd seen Gore. He looked like he'd aged quite a bit. He did look like he had just rolled out of bed. But gee whiz it was 8AM. I didn't hear much wrong with his speech though. Not his best performance but not horrible either.

[izzie]

45. I think the grass root thing is very important.

I have always felt this was the big thing with any party. Clark got in late and so may get going later. Have Dem ever been big with generals? The army guy is more our style. I recall when my husband was in service, The Dem always got us a raise and the Rep got the big contracts. The generals liked the big contracts.

[Starpass]

47. I Just Popped back up because

I was busy traveling the country seeing children and another new grandchild. The one thing I noted after being away from constant news is that "no one still knows their names out there". We have a lot of work to do. Unfortunately, too many are believing that prosperity is just around the corner and out jamming malls shopping until they drop spending money they don't have in that belief. We are going to have to get about 6 people or more out of this race and soon. We are going to have to have endorsements like Gore just made--I don't fault him for that at all. But we need barn burner type speeches that go with the endoresements to get the public eye. Amazing how things have changed here in a month. You keep up attitudes like I'm seeing here and Dean or any candidate is going to have a terrible time making the public like them. You better start getting a message out--and Al blew that today. I've basically given up on Clark and the other candidates. I think Dean will be the candidate but if you people keep up this "don't talk or we will kill you attitude", then Dean will be just a footnote in history. You need more than the 'base', you need all the fringe of the Dem party and a few repukes to boot. Dean will start going centrist after getting the nomination and that is when it will be a test for his base to see if they start fighting among themselves. I hope not. Howard will eventually be coming from the center---and I hope he doesn't go there because his appeal is right where he is now. If he moves center, he will become just another voice and get run over by Bush.

[Hep]

50. You telling US what WE need to do?

Seriously, keep it to yourself.

Or maybe you could just post more fodder for the freepers to use against us. How about a nice comment about why we should kill all the children?

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[CMT]

53. we must have been watching entirely different programs

because I thought Gore was fantastic and his critique of Bush right on.

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