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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:29 PM
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Voters apparently do not like Gore's telling them to get behind Dean...
At 3:25PM with 76,816 votes cast, 86% of voters say that campaign endorsements do not influence how they vote. Perhaps a backlash in the works here.

http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/7752.content.html
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:30 PM
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1. I think you're reading too much into that
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 03:31 PM by eileen_d
Campaign endorsements don't influence my vote either, but I don't think Gore is holding a gun to my head. He can endorse who he pleases; I don't think he's subverting democracy by doing so.
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:31 PM
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2. doubtful
Dean is finally getting the media coverage he deserves.


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burning bush Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:31 PM
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3. Your post doesn't follow your title ...
I don't see what that poll has to do with Gore's endorsement of Dean, specifically.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:33 PM
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4. This is what I thought
Contrary to the hyperventilations of un-named supporters, the Gore endorsement doesn't mean all that much.

Well, not as much as they (and the corporate media whores) would like to believe anyway.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:36 PM
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8. Most of the hyperventilating seemed to come from Dean haters.
I'm just saying...
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:05 PM
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26. You got it...
Oh well...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:36 PM
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11. Sure seemed to bother you
make up your mind.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:40 PM
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15. What bothered me was different
It wasn't really about the effect of the endorsement, it was more about the choice of words.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:33 PM
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5. Endorsements annoy me
Who really cares that Gore endorses Dean. I like Dean. I like Clark. When it comes time I'll decide who gets my vote. I'm glad Gore thinks Dean is such a viable candidate but it doesn't influence my selection.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:34 PM
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6. No backlash, just voters saying that endorsements don't influence them
What endorsements like Gore's do is get the endorser's network and reputation with other activists behind the recipient of the endorsement. And of course, and endorsement by the 2000 Popular Vote winner also conveys to his supporters past and present that he is passing the torch to a new standard bearer. Gore's endorsement already got one of his long time activists to support Dean.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:35 PM
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7. Backlash?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 03:37 PM by HuckleB
Endorsements don't play that much into the decisions of many voters. Further, even fewer are going to admit to themselves that they do play a part. We all want to believe that we make our own decisions fully based on nothing but the facts. Anway, big shock. But that hardly means there's a backlash against candidates who get endorsements.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:36 PM
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9. I am sick to death of the whiny sour grapes posts over this endorsement.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 03:38 PM by liberal_veteran
Al Gore is a private citizen and he can throw his support behind whomever he damn well pleases. I wish some of the people who are so partisan about their particular candidate are making themselves look like spoiled children who got told they weren't going to get the latest video game or something would realize how ridiculous they sound. I have no particular affiliation with any candidate at this point but the sour grapes posts are really making me consider becoming a Dean partisan because I do not want to be associated with the people who are whining like Gore stole something of their's as if they were entitled to it.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:36 PM
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10. Yeah, that's the ticket.
And my wife is Morgan Fairchild.

What this tells me is that 86% of those who answered don't care about endorsements and 14% do.

It doesn't say a thing about any wishful backlash, now does it?
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:03 PM
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25. If we can extrapolate
14% of undecided voters may take an extra look at Dean when making up their minds because of the Gore endorsement.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:36 PM
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12. who would answer yes to a question like that?
That's like admitting that you can't think for yourself. Of course Gore's endorsement will make a difference, but don't expect to hear a bunch of people admitting that they are sheep.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:38 PM
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13. I think you are under the influence
of some controlled substance, perhaps oxycontin, and are going through some paranoid delusional phase.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:38 PM
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14. In actuality, voters do not like ANYONE telling them to get behind Dean.
Endorsements are no big deal. That is a common opinion.
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pezcore64 Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:41 PM
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16. ...
How will Al Gore's endorsement affect Howard Dean's campaign?

Help it 62% 71531 votes

Hinder it 38% 43127 votes
Total: 114658 votes



http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/7743.content.html



;)
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:47 PM
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21. There you go!
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 03:47 PM by HFishbine
There's the backlash.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:44 PM
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17. How about this instead? 1) The voters are in whatever Holiday mood...
...they can pull together this year;

2) It's way too early in the race for most people to have any personal stake in the election (if we have one at all);

and 3) Of the voters that failed to vote in one or more of the past elections, what percentage of those folks will vote in 2004? How many of those people give a damn about anything having to do with elections?
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:45 PM
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18. Among informed Voters the backlash has already started......
But only among the informed ones, but word spreads fast. Look for it to raise it's ugly head during the debate tonight. Who knows what it's going to cause happen in N.H. which is famous for bucking systems.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:01 PM
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24. To all of you Clark supporters,
You can dress a pig up and it's still a pig.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:45 PM
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19. Endorsements do influence voters
for the simple reason that endorsements translate into campaign contributions. Campaign contributions allow a campaign to run in all fifty states, allowing the candidate to get their message out, through numerous media outlets. Yes indeed, endorsements mean a lot.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:46 PM
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20. He wasn't telling anyone to do anything
He was just offering his opinion about the race. Take it or leave it.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:47 PM
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22. An online poll means exactly zip...
We here at DU know how easily online polls can be manipulated.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:48 PM
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23. There's Actually Hard Data on the Value of a Gore Endorsement
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 03:57 PM by tsipple
Futures contracts on a Dean nomination at the Iowa Electronic Markets spiked up nearly 10 cents, from 62.3 to 72 (+16%). (Your contract will pay one dollar in the event Dean is the nominee, zero otherwise.)

Other candidates' contracts were as follows, also using the daily closing prices from before and after the news:

Hillary Clinton: 9.4 down to 5.5 (-41%).
Wesley Clark: 10.7 down to 9.8 (-8%).
Dick Gephardt: 9.5 down to 7.1 (-25%).
John Kerry: 4.2 down to 1.4 (-67%).
Joe Lieberman: 1.8 down to 1.6 (-11%).
Anyone Else (incl. Edwards): steady at 3.2.

Pretend now I'm talking like Lou Dobbs :-) : "Dean -- symbol 'WIN' -- is now at 76 cents in mid-afternoon trading, hovering near its all-time high. Clinton has recovered slightly (to 6.3 cents), while Clark is down to 7.5 cents as we're on the air here. Gephardt has shown further erosion to 5.7 cents, Kerry is well off the bottom at 4 cents, and Lieberman is steady at 1.6. Finally, the rest of the field (including Edwards) is up slightly to 3.4 -- an obvious sign that Gore had no option value as a candidate himself in this market. Bid-ask spreads are pretty wide right now, though, suggesting a market still reeling from the endorsement news with traders unsure of the value of their holdings."

Tradesports.com had similar data, although that market is somewhat less traded.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:44 PM
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27. I know of 2 Dean-leaning Indys who are really turned off
Ironically, I had been working on getting them to the "Clark" camp. When I heard that Gore had endorsed Dean I thought "Oh boy - there's two new people who will solidly be for Dean." We are part of a political group (Republicans, Independents and Democrats For Change) that may endorse one of the candidates so this is an important issue. Four of the people on the exec. committee were Clark supporters and those two were leaning towards Dean.

When I spoke to both of them - much to my surprise they were very ticked off - saying that Gore shouldn't try to be "king-maker," that he should have allowed the primary process to work and that this just further divides the Dem party. One also agreed with the sentiment that Gore wants to see Dean win so that he can jump in in 2008 (note: this is not a Gore fan).
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:47 PM
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28. I guess I just don't understand
should nobody EVER endorse ANY candidate? and, when is it acceptable for anyone to endorse anybody?

This is ludicrous. Al Gore decided to support Dean...what is the MAJOR MALFUNCTION?!?!?
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:59 PM
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31. Terwilliger, can you possibly
be that naiive?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:48 PM
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29. I agree with that
I recall when Kerry people on this board touted ex-Governor Jeanne Shaheen's endorsement of Kerry as being a turning point of his campaign in NH and that didn't wash.

Endorsments are nice to get and they can have some influence more so with undecideds or firming up some current support. I don't believe they will convince tons of people to vote for a certain candidate.

That said on many levels the Gore endorsment was still huge.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:58 PM
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30. Perhaps you need a few extra staples in your tin foil hat......
......to hold it on! :evilgrin:

You also need to read the rules for posting in GD! The poll has nothing to do with Gore or Dean. :eyes:
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