I hope Leiberman tears Gore a new one tonight

[59millionmorons]

I am not a Joe Leiberman fan and I am happy for Dean, but Gore humiliated Joe and I hope Joe lets him have it. I have been a big supporter of Gore in the , but what he did by not letting Leiberman know his intentions before it got out was shameful. I have lost a lot of respect for Al.

[onebigbadwulf]

1. wazoo?

Is there a debate tonight?

[bleedingheart]

2. I lost a lot of respect for Lieberman when he cozied up to Bush

after the election to push that faith-based funding nonsense.

Personally I could never get over how poorly Lieberman did in the VP debate.

[cprise]

18. And DURING the election

...in the recount conflict, he told the press that Bush was really the winner and Gore needed to concede.

Lieberman just got the political upbraid he deserves.

[Don Claybrook]

3. I'm sure that would garner him lots of votes

Just get up on the stage and whine about someone who isn't running for President...yeah, great idea. I agree. I hope that's exactly what Joe Lieberman spends his time doing tonight.

[Jacobin]

4. Yeah, well Holy Joe was real classy about it.....whining to the press

:nopity: that he wasn't told first, instead of graciously accepting the fact that he is a silly old frog who needs to go home and stay put and keep his fricking mouth shut.

[59millionmorons]

11. It's not about Joe

Gore should have waited until our candidate has won the primaries. it's called class. If you dont like Joe, then just add in your favorite candidate.

[drfemoe]

31. I don't understand this

.. ALL the candidates are hoping for / seeking endorsements.

Why is Al Gore exempt from being able to endorse any one of them?

[slor]

5. Lieberman humiliates himself...

by being bush lite!

[montanacowboy]

8. Holy Joe

stabbed Gore in the back more than once - whining about how "progressive" Gore was, and all that Florida crap. I say good for Gore, he let that pink tutu crybaby have it with both barrels. Now shut up and go home Joe.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Holy Joe is a warmongering fool

Despite his excellent record on women and gay rights, he is 100% wrong on the war. To his credit, at least he is not waffling on his support for it.

[sleipnir]

6. Finally! Lieberman's Karmic retribution

He's been bashing all the other canidates for months. Handing sound bites time after time to the Repugs. Hitting below the belt, not caring as long as his name got in the papers. High time I say that he finally got his comeuppence. Maybe Lieberman will drop out now and save us all from his hatefilled rhetoric.

[impeach the gop]

7. Say what?

You don't want a regime change? Why worry bout liberman? The man is NOT representing anything different than smirk. This is war! What the hell matters, Joe and his right wing agenda, or getting our country back to We the People>

shit fire fuzzy, get with the program :-)

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[Malva Zebrina]

10. I don't understand

what was Gore supposed to do? If he thought that Dean was better than Lieberman, why should he, out of some misplaced loyalty, endorse Lieberman? That is cronyism--Gore has always been a thinker that goes ahead--Lieberman obviously was not in the forfront--he was being outclassed by Dean--not many supported Lieberman, Sharpton, Braun or Gebhart--that is the reality--Dean is a good man--came from nowhere, raised money in incredible ways and is to be commended for doing so. If Gore thought he was the man to support, that is good enough for me. Gore owes nothing to Lieberman when the fate of this country is at stake. He is not required, for "old times sake", to endorse Lieberman.

[59millionmorons]

14. it's called class

And for that moment he lacked it. But I guess should not hold others to my morality.

[RetroLounge]

17. Yeah, Lieberman and Morality

now there's a fun combination. Not.

:cry:

[cosmicdot]

54. LIEberman and class ... that's a laugh

he's a class-act Republican, Nixon lover, and abandoned Al Gore in 2000

[LizW]

12. Yeah, that would be very productive (n/t)

[CatWoman]

13. Fuck LIEberman

[Liberal Veteran]

20. You expressed my opinion admirably Catwoman.

And I hope you don't mind me borrowing your sig line idea....imitation is the sincerist form of flattery, y'know.

[CatWoman]

23. Hey LV

Go for it!!!

and I think your feline family is pretty damn cute!!

:D

[eissa]

15. Too bad!

Joe should grab his bottle and blankey and go cry in his crib. He was a weak and stupid VP choice in 2000 and an even worse candidate for POTUS. Gore owes him NOTHING!

[Piperay]

16. Gore should've

done the classy thing and notified Joe whether he deserved it or not it would have been the classy thing to do.

[Nlighten1]

19. Fuck Joe Lieberman!

He is a Republican tool.

[JackSwift]

21. Gore knows more about Lieberman now than he did 3 years ago

and it is safe to say that Gore deliberately did not tell Lieberman for a reason. Maybe he didn't want to listen to the whining? Maybe he wanted to signal the depth of his displeasure with Lieberman always putting himself and not the team first?

Suffice to say that while I would probably have called Lieberman as a courtesy to inform him, Gore may have had good reasons not to.

[bleedingheart]

22. That's exactly what I think happened

[durutti]

24. I hope he does too

To show the world what an asshole he is.

[hlthe2b]

25. You might want to review Lieberman's comments towards GORE

the past year or so since the contested selection.... I don't think Gore owed him anything, but being the statesman that Gore has always been, I suspect he either tried, was caught flatfooted in his attempt to do so with the leak of the endorsement, or some similar scenario.

I credit you for trying to defend Holy Joe... Not many of us are willing to ignore his recent behaviors, despite a long, credible, liberal record. Personally, I'd like to smack his sanctimonious face with a "soft" messy cream pie, (or something similarly nonthreatening, for any secret service agents monitoring) for having enabled Bush this past year in nearly EVERY effort.

He is as bad as the neocons....

[Spirochete]

26. I'm sure he will

he seldom passes up a chance to slam a Democrat.

[Military Brat]

27. Who knows what Lieberman might have done if he had known

The man is untrustworthy, and you don't give such vital information to someone with such an unstable history of failing to uphold his responsibility to you as a team candidate for the highest offices in the United States. He dropped the ball with Gore, he betrayed him and all the citizens of the United States. That was his downfall. Gore owes Lieberman nothing. I agree with my fellow DU'ers that Lieberman is finally getting his just desserts.

Also, think of Gore's decision in the framework of politics. The veep is often chosen because of favors owed, not necessarily because of any great fondness or emotional bond between two individuals. It sure gave me pause for thought when Gore "chose" Holy Joe as his running mate.

[drfemoe]

28. oh that would be 'helpful' . not

n/t

[ibegurpard]

29. Me too

I'd love to see him crash and burn in public.

[sendero]

30. for goodness sakes...

... isn't this election about something a bit more important that someone getting their itty bitty feelings hurt?

Joe's dished out plenty, now he can eat the dish best served cold.

[UTUSN]

32. I Don't Get the Poor-Joe Thing (BEGALA & ESTRICH)

It started on IMUS with BEGALA saying that GORE had humiliated LIBERMAN and shown "disloyalty" not only to LIEB but also to GEPHARDT who had supported GORE endlessly in the past and carried water for the CLINTON-GORE agenda for years, and KERRY for some other kind of support.

I don't see that GORE owes LIEBERMAN anything, quite the reverse. LIEBERMAN has whined to the press all day, and thrown VERY sharp barbs at GORE. GORE lifted him out of obscurity and it seemed to have gone straight to his head. He seemed to be barely waiting for GORE to step aside so that he could run.

On edit: Oh, ESTRICH. She was on with HUME and continued the poor-Joe thing.

[ibegurpard]

33. Lieberman stabbed Gore in the back a number of times

He's getting MORE than he deserves.

[sendero]

35. Begala...

... is moving up my "questionable" list more and more :) Isn't he supposed to be on our side?

[Patriot_Spear]

34. Lieberman deserved to be humiliated- he's a DINO sellout Bush* enabler.

No pity here.

[Jim Sagle]

36. This thread ain't nuthin' but shit and neither is Jagoff Joe.

[Pastiche423]

37. Your prose

is so real and I agree w/you 100%!

Plus you always make me smile. ;-)

[Jim Sagle]

52. Why, thank you. I seem to make a lot of people mad.

:shrug:

[Closer]

38. And I hope all of those bitter folks

will choke on the sour grapes!

Eat it.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. Gore did call Joe.

But Lieberman saw it was Gore on the caller id and decided not to take the call.

[xultar]

40. My open letter to AL Gore

Dear Mr. Gore,
You couldn't possibly know how disappointed I was to hear that you endorsed Howard Dean. I was not disappointed because I am a Wesley Clark Supporter; I was disappointed because I'm an American.

How DARE you take my choice away from me! No votes have been cast, no primary elections have started and you've attempted to steal an election. I honestly don't see anything different between what you're doing now and what was done to us in Florida. In your selfish attempt to grab power you've risked my future and the future of America.

At first I was shocked, then came the embarrassment, and after that ANGER. Didn't you learn anything in your life as a public servant? The VOTERS choose. That is what this country was founded on.

You've taken that and you've chosen for us. Now, everyone assumes that it is a done deal and that the nomination process is a foregone conclusion. Al, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it is NOT, a foregone conclusion. The funniest thing about your endorsement of Howard Dean is that the Republicans (the enemy) are dancing in the streets. The Republicans are very excited about what you've done. You've done their work for them.

Al, don't feel bad about dividing and wrecking the Democratic Party hold your head up because there is some good news, and no you didn't save money on your car insurance at GEICO.

Wesley Clark is running. Wesley Clark is not used to losing and neither am I. What you've done has energized the Clark Campaign and his staff. What you've done is light a fire that will not go out. What you've done will have the opposite effect. Voters don't like to be told who the winner is, Voters want to choose. I thought you would have learned that by now, especially after 2000.

Perhaps all of this is for the best. Now that you've played your hand, we're gonna play ours. Hold on because we're coming and before you can gather yourself Wesley will be taking the Oath of Office.

See you in November 2004, Al.
Turra

p.s. Al, you've pissed me off and I'm better than AWESOME when I get pissed.

[dfong63]

41. boo hoo

How DARE you take my choice away from me!

get a grip. no one stole your choice from you. you can still vote for whoever you want. it's called democracy, you know, the "voice of the people". Gore has as much right to make a choice as you do. if we follow your line of reasoning, it's actually you who are trying to "take away" Gore's choice with this combination smear/whine.

your guy Clark handled the situation with class. why not follow his example?

[Q]

48. What an ugly, spiteful letter...

...and I hope Gore puts it in the trash without reading it.

[dfong63]

42. Gore inadvertantly did us an additional service,

besides adding momentum to the strongest candidate (Dean), Gore's endorsement creates a situation where the other candidates can show their true character. Lieberman, the perpetual whiner. cmon Joe, do you think the American people want to vote for a whiner? suck it up. Gore owes you nothing.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

43. Leiberman got what he deserved for turning on Gore.

[Cascadian]

44. Maybe he should have notifed Joe but....

I think Gore knew Joe was a losing ticket and decided to cast his lot with front-runner Dean. It was a good move on his part in my opinion.

John

[Romberry]

45. Joe deserves being humiliated

Joe gave Gore the shaft in 2000 with his televised love fest with Cheney in their "debate", his sinking of the last hopes of the campaign by pledging to count illegal overseas ballots and with his early advice to "concede, concede, concede".

Lieberman is a jerk. Screw him.

[Unforgiven]

47. Who Cares?

These two no longer count, and as time goes on it will become more so as the focus will be where it belongs. On the Candidate(s)

[Q]

49. The winner of the 2000 popular vote doesn't 'count'?

- That's a clueless statement. Gore received more DEMOCRATIC votes than any Democrat in history. And that doesn't count?

- Actually...the Democratic focus should have been on the Republican party stealing the 2000 election.

[Samantha]

50. Two things

Trippi was just on CSPAN telling people Gore tried several times to call Lieberman but could not get through before the press was all over the story. Trippi took the responsibility for this, but nonetheless it is a non-issue.

Lieberman left Gore behind in his various statements about the 2000 campaign over the last two years. Additionally, it has become clear the Democratic party is divided between the Clinton faction and the Gore faction. Lieberman has always been a Clinton friend, and remains a New Democrat today. The policies of the New Dems clearly cut against everything Gore stands for, which Dean in fact champions, so I am sure there was no surprise here.

If you read yesterday's Washington Post, you saw an article about Dean which ended with the statement certain Democratic elite had spoken aloud about the possibiliity of wrestling the nomination from Dean due to his anti-war, anti-tax cut positions. I posted a thread about the article. Gore stepped out just in time to head this off at the pass. When you read Democratic elite, include Lieberman.

[a_lil_wall_fly]

51. Very true.... but I lost all my respect for Gore for his spinelessness...

of the Florida election issues. He was in charged then and f*cked everyone over then for not fighting for the full state of FL recount. Now his statements of certain candidates show withdraw and the vemonous backstab on Sen. Lieberman, just shows how pitiful shell of a man that Al Gore has become.
As General Clark stated: "Withdraw and retreat are not an option"...for Congressman Kucinich, former Ambassador Carol Moseley-Braun and Rev. Al Sharpton--they have the right to have thier platform presented until the day of the National Convention. For FORMER VP al gore to stated that and DR. Dean too allow that to be stated shows that he has no respect for the "PROGRESSIVE SIDE" of the Democratic Party.

[nomaco-10]

53. Does anyone remember.....

when Gore ran for president, Lieberman had so much faith and LOYALTY in the Gore campaign that we wouldn't give up his senate seat while he ran for VP? Where was the Lieberman's loyalty back then?