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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:36 AM
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Why Gore did the right thing in endorsing Dean.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 10:22 AM by TruthIsAll
Let me first say that I wish it were Gore who was running. The last three speeches he has given were classic and should be a guide to all the candidates for the issues he raised.

Gore raised the bar of the debate. The whole point was to get the issues that matter out there. So far only Dean and Kucinich have been consistent in raising them. By endorsing Dean, all the candidates will now have to confront them.

As a citizen, Gore has the right to declare his support for anyone he wants. As he had the election stolen from him, he has every right to express his views. He is concerned. He is angry. Dean (and Kucinich) have expressed the anger he feels. But he had to make a choice. He chose Dean because of his wide grassroots support

Now the other candidates must be prepared to debate the issues. Dean still needs to campaign for votes, but now the issues which concern Gore and the Democratic core base will surely be vetted: 1)election fraud, 2)fat cat tax cuts, 3) 9/11, 4) Iraq, 5) corporate cronyism, 5) the Patriot Act.

Clark would appear to be the ideal candidate. He has all the right credentials except: in 2001, he expressed enthusiastic support for Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al. Clark is saying all the right things - now. Thanks to Dean.

Kerry? How the hell can he support Bush in naming James Baker as chief middle east envoy. WTF? Baker is the Bush/Saudi defense lawyer who recently, in his own words, claimed to have "fixed" the 2000 election for Bush. We all know this ocurred. But now Baker, like the rest of the Cabl, is arrogant enough to brag about it. They don't care what we think. Kerry also supported Bush on Iraq. He's Skull and Bones, like Bush. Now he's speaking out, for he is seeing his initial support fade. Thanks to Dean.

Lieberman. Enough said. He is DLC. Why should Gore support him? He let Al down during the recount and in everything he has said and done since.

Kucinich. The heart and soul of the base. Gore, by supporting Dean, is implicitly giving Dennis his due respect.

Edwards. Let's see if his physical appeal is matched by his passion for debating Diebold fraud, Iraq and 9/11.

Gebhardt. Who will forget him on the lawn of the WH with Bush and Holy Joe?

Sharpton. Gore supporting Dean can only enhance his future in the Party.

Braun. She, too, will be well-positioned for a cabinet post.

Al Gore did precisely the right thing. At the right time. He is shaking things up. We need that.

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:40 AM
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1. Gee
I thought he was subverting the democratic process! Disparaging the other candidates' supporters! I was assured that it was the end of the world! Help, help, I'm all confused now...
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 04:47 PM
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23. If Al does it, its OK with me..and I like Clark
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:40 AM
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2. Absolutly!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:53 AM
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3. Except Gore said he supported Dean because he was against the war
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 09:55 AM by blm
from the beginning, but Dean is on record supporting a resolution that allowed for Bush to make the final determination for use of force even if it was unilateral. He just never bothered to tell his audiences that truth.

Instead he attacked the others on that same part of the IWR.

If Gore was sincere about supporting an antiwar candidate who was antiwar from the beginning then he would have endorsed Kucinich.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:59 AM
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6. Once again...
When you look at everything Dean said, it's very clear that he was against the war. He set out a very clear set of guidelines that would have allowed the use of force, but none of those guidelines were met. No other candidate set out such guidelines in advance. Sorry, but this argument is worthless. It's showing the other candidates as desperate. It's time to give it up.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:07 AM
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11. When you see everything Kerry said he was against the war
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 10:22 AM by blm
and laid out guidelines in a NY Times column in Sept. before the vote which helped push Bush to the UN. He also appeared on Hardball for an hour and discussed it at the Citadel.

Noone was FOR war. They supported a resolution that allowed the president to make the determination that force was needed. War as a last resort. Same as Dean. But Dean never told his audiences that he supported that same aspect of the IWR that he was using to attack the others.



We Still Have a Choice on Iraq

September 6, 2002
By JOHN F. KERRY



WASHINGTON - It may well be that the United States will go
to war with Iraq. But if so, it should be because we have
to - not because we want to. For the American people to
accept the legitimacy of this conflict and give their
consent to it, the Bush administration must first present
detailed evidence of the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction and then prove that all other avenues of
protecting our nation's security interests have been
exhausted. Exhaustion of remedies is critical to winning
the consent of a civilized people in the decision to go to
war. And consent, as we have learned before, is essential
to carrying out the mission. President Bush's overdue
statement this week that he would consult Congress is a
beginning, but the administration's strategy remains
adrift.

Regime change in Iraq is a worthy goal. But regime change
by itself is not a justification for going to war. Absent a
Qaeda connection, overthrowing Saddam Hussein - the
ultimate weapons-inspection enforcement mechanism - should
be the last step, not the first. Those who think that the
inspection process is merely a waste of time should be
reminded that legitimacy in the conduct of war, among our
people and our allies, is not a waste, but an essential
foundation of success.
>>>>>>
In the end there may be no choice. But so far, rather than
making the case for the legitimacy of an Iraq war, the
administration has complicated its own case and compromised
America's credibility by casting about in an unfocused,
overly public internal debate in the search for a rationale
for war. By beginning its public discourse with talk of
invasion and regime change, the administration has
diminished its most legitimate justification of war - that
in the post-Sept. 11 world, the unrestrained threat of
weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein
is unacceptable and that his refusal to allow in inspectors
is in blatant violation of the United Nations 1991
cease-fire agreement that left him in power.

>>>>>>>

There is, of course, no question about our capacity to win
militarily, and perhaps to win easily. There is also no
question that Saddam Hussein continues to pursue weapons of
mass destruction, and his success can threaten both our
interests in the region and our security at home. But
knowing ahead of time that our military intervention will
remove him from power, and that we will then inherit all or
much of the burden for building a post-Saddam Hussein Iraq,
is all the more reason to insist on a process that invites
support from the region and from our allies. We will need
that support for the far tougher mission of ensuring a
future democratic government after the war.

The question is not whether we should care if Saddam
Hussein remains openly scornful of international standards
of behavior that he agreed to live up to. The question is
how we secure our rights with respect to that agreement and
the legitimacy it establishes for the actions we may have
to take. We are at a strange moment in history when an
American administration has to be persuaded of the virtue
of utilizing the procedures of international law and
community - institutions American presidents from across
the ideological spectrum have insisted on as essential to
global security.

For the sake of our country, the legitimacy of our cause
and our ultimate success in Iraq, the administration must
seek advice and approval from Congress, laying out the
evidence and making the case. Then, in concert with our
allies, it must seek full enforcement of the existing
cease-fire agreement from the United Nations Security
Council. We should at the same time offer a clear ultimatum
to Iraq before the world: Accept rigorous inspections
without negotiation or compromise. Some in the
administration actually seem to fear that such an ultimatum
might frighten Saddam Hussein into cooperating. If Saddam
Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international
community's already existing order, then he will have
invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at
the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if
the Security Council fails to act. But until we have
properly laid the groundwork and proved to our fellow
citizens and our allies that we really have no other
choice, we are not yet at the moment of unilateral
decision-making in going to war against Iraq.


John F. Kerry, a Democrat, is a senator from
Massachusetts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/06/opinion/06KERR.html?ex=1032312456&ei=1&en=930a8857e0bbb35c
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cigarstore Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:36 AM
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21. Wrong
One of those alternatives -- offered by the top men on the Senate Foreign Relations, Democrat Joe Biden of Delaware and Republican Dick Lugar of Indiana -- AUTHORIZED the use of force after a new UN resolution requiring Iraqi disarmament and compliance with past resolution; if UN diplomacy was exhausted it AUTHORIZED unilateral action if the president declared Iraq a threat.

This alternative was not only SUPPORTED by Howard Dean, it was supported by Senator John Kerry, whom Dean also attacks for being Bush's war buddy.

Lacking votes, the Biden-Lugar proposal was never formally introduced. Instead, the negotiations with Democrats produced the resolution that passed. It authorized force for several other offenses beyond prohibited weapons (including ballistic missiles, which Iraq had), but also encouraged UN involvement. The differences between the two were NOT huge, and each authorized war, including unilateral war.

After the vote, Dean REITERATED his Biden-Lugar position but did not denounce the enacted resolution UNTIL LATER!
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In other words, Dean sat on the fence and leaned first one way and then the other, until he saw which way the wind was blowing and he jumped off that way.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:59 AM
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7. LOL
Yeah, Gore didn't do his research.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:13 AM
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13. Heh...read what I said...
I just don't believe that his biggest reason was based on Dean being antiwar as he said. Gore had to know that Biden-Lugar would have led to war, just as much as IWR and that the key provisions were the same. So....why say Dean was antiwar from the beginning when he wasn't any more antiwar than Kerry or Gephardt.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:11 AM
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12. spin on
I watched Dean at the California Convention before we invaded and he loudly criticized the war before we went in. Other than Kucinich, all of the Senators and congressmen told us how we had to get rid of Saddam.

Right then, he became my candidate. Even though Kerry voted for the IWR, if he had stood up then, just before the invasion, and said that the vote was wrong because Bush lied, then he would have had me, regardless of his vote.

But he didn't.

So he doesn't.

Dean loudly attacked the war BEFORE the invasion, and was called a traitor and unelectable.

What anti-Dean people don't seem to get is that it isn't just about the IWR vote or Dean's position on Biden-Lugar, it is about all of the statements and actions by all of the candidates over the entire period. With the "leadership" of the three Senators, Bush has passed almost everything he could possibly ask for. If these three men can't convince their fellow Democrats to stand up and block the destruction of our nation from Bush's agenda, why should anyone back them for the Presidency?
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cigarstore Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:28 AM
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20. Dean supported Biden-Lugar
End of story!
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:37 AM
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22. No other data needed, ..........I see.
good luck to you then.
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cigarstore Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:27 AM
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19. Thank you!!
That fact will come to haunt Dean!
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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:56 AM
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4. If the shoe had been on the other foot,
would any of the candidates say, no it would be wrong to accept Gore's support at this time? They would have jumped at the chance.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:58 AM
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5. On Clark, you're mistaken
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 09:58 AM by eileen_d
"he has voted consistently Republican" - except for Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and Gore in 2000. That's Clark's real voting record.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:02 AM
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9. You are right.My bad. I will edit this.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:04 AM
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10. Thanks
I'm not saying anyone has to support him, just wanted to set the record straight.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:00 AM
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8. After some thought, I'm glad Gore endorsed Dean.
Strictly from a political junkie standpoint, it raises the stakes. Either Dean will start to pull away and we will have a candidate to rally around (and a lot more time to plan our strategy as a party to defeat Bush knowing who our candidate will be and how best to defend our nominee) or we'll know the majority of Democrats don't want Dean as the nominee and we'll begin the process of sorting our who the best alternative to Dean will be.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:16 AM
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14. One of the things I did not like about Dean
was his habit of attacking other candidates. I think Gore stated clearly that we and they should not be attacking each other. I think he also discussed this with Dean who seems to have backed off doing that.
I respect Gore's endorsement particularly if it comes with Gore's guidance and advice.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:21 AM
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16. Yes, he has backed off
Keep in mind nobody knew who the hell he was, he had to demonstrate he was a clear altrnative to the choices we had.

He differentiated himself from the others well. Now that that is accomplished it is time to focus on other things. He's doing that and his campaign seems to continue to grow rapidly so I think his strategy has been correct thus far.

Julie
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:19 AM
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15. double post
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 10:24 AM by DinkyDem
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:23 AM
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17. Gore endorsed Dean because
he knows Dean's going to win anyways. Gore was never given his due by the DNC machine after the election. Gore should have been the new leader of the party, but the Clintons would not give up the power. This is Gore's way of grabbing it from them. DNC Chairmain anyone?
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cigarstore Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:25 AM
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18. The train was leaving the station
Gore saw it leaving, jumped on the caboose and acted like he was pushing.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 04:50 PM
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24. nope, sorry
everyone knows he is not that kind of Guy
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:08 PM
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25. One thing many people have forgotten:
When Gore came out to tell us that he was not going to run in 2004, many people were terribly disappointed. I know I was. At that time, he said that he would, at some point, endorse one of the primary candidates. That gave some comfort; he was at least going to weigh in on the matter even if he wasn't going to run.

I didn't hear anyone complaining then.

He still gave support to the effort of saving this country from this extreme administration by giving some fine speeches. He was still involved in the effort when he made his Moveon speech, for example.

And then he kept his word. About a month before the primaries, he endorsed one of the candidates.
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