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Fri Dec-12-03 01:13 PM
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Anybody but Dean or Lieberman |
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I don't like Dean or Lieberman. But all the other top column candidates are fine, I like some over others but that is natural.
Dean reminds me of a used car salesman, I thought this was an apt comparison I saw in another thread today. I can see right through him. No sale.
Lieberman is good on some matters, like the environment, but he just couldn't get it done vs. Bush in my opinion.
He also already had a chance in an election vs. Bush (although as VP), time for someone new to run vs. Bush.
Kerry, Gephardt, and Edwards are all great candidates. And Clark would be fine, although I don't have as great as enthusiasm for him compared to the prior three.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:14 PM
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1. pure, unadulterated flame bait. n/t |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:16 PM
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5. Typical Deanie response |
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Because someone doesn't hold Dean as the second coming.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:17 PM
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7. No, because that's what it IS! n/t |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:21 PM
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16. So you think it is against the rules to say one doesn't like Dean? |
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huh??
This isn't a Dean blog.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:22 PM
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21. This post does nothing to promote a debate of the issues. |
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Edited on Fri Dec-12-03 01:24 PM by Padraig18
It is a pure and unadulterated invitation to a flame war, and you've been here at DU long enough to damned well know it.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:23 PM
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22. it would help if you gave reasons |
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You're stated reason for disliking Dean is about as substantive as the right-wing's reasons for hating Hillary Clinton. "Just because!" doesn't cut it.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:39 PM
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45. The used car salesman approach |
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is about as useful as making fun of Sharpton's hair, Kucinich's ears of Kerry's muppet face, but it is all unsubstantial, if you are interested in the issues. Don't be so shallow.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:17 PM
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Fri Dec-12-03 02:00 PM
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60. no, you spew a bunch of bullshit opinions |
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for the sake of stirring up shit.
What did you expect? Intellectual dialogue to the vomit you posted? Oy!
Julie-who looks forward to lots of bannings after the primaries
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:16 PM
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Edited on Fri Dec-12-03 01:17 PM by CMT
if Dean or Lieberman are nominated you will be sitting out the election or voting third party?
We will miss you on DU if either of them is nominated.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:16 PM
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3. used car salesman/politician |
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{weighs one in left hand, one in right}
Yep, morally equivalent.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:16 PM
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Nothing of substnce in your post, just flamebait. What a waste of valuable net space. Bravo!
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:16 PM
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6. Dean is a used car salesman but Edwards and Gephardt aren't? |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:18 PM
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9. In others words you may support Bush... |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:19 PM
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Stop with the "anyone who doesn't support Dean is a republican" crap.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:21 PM
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19. you just said you wouldn't support Dean |
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and Dean will probably be nominated.
So in the general you'll not vote Dem.
Which is supporting Bush.
Or do you just mean your tirade hypothetically?
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:25 PM
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26. Umm. You said you wouldn't support Dean or Lieberman. |
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It's your statement, not anyone else's.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:28 PM
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31. you just said you wouldn't vote for Dean if he is the nominee |
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Campaign and vote for whoever you want in the primaries, but if you don't vote for the Dem nominee next November you will be helping Bush.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:35 PM
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39. it's a no-win situation |
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Even when substantive rebuttals of Dean and his record are posted, it will still be dismissed as:
1. Rove memes. 2. You're a Bush-lover. 3. Flamebait. 4. "POOP!"
and so on...
So might as well post your gut reactions - which are as valid in politics as issues disagreement - and expect the usual suspects to take great offense. You have balls, which I admire. :thumbsup:
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:42 PM
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Even when substantive rebuttals of the drivel used to attack Dean are posted, the drivel just keeps on coming, repeat after repeat after repeat.
So, yeah, all I'm going to bother offering anymore is a gut reaction. This poster basically called Dean "slick."
Hmm. Whatever.
What's the point?
And what does that have to do with "balls?" Around here, this stuff is a dime a dozen.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:53 PM
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57. and most Deanies on here... |
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...praise him with equally gut-reactive reasons. "He empowers me!" "He makes me feel like we can take this country back!" "I like his scrappy style!" Jesus, did I walk into an Anthony Robbins seminar?
But again, I do not think it is invalid for his supporters any less than I do his detractors, for it is after all, politics.
There was no spin in my post. "Spin" is so misused and overused. All I did was state my not-so-humble opinion, informed by repeat observations.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:56 PM
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Yeah, sure, you betcha. That's not spin. Oh, no!
Sorry to be cynical, but I think your observation skills are of a higher caliber than to allow you to be fooled into that notion.
Cheers!
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:18 PM
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10. Anybody but Bush. Dean is a great candidate. And I'll vote Lieberman... |
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if I have to.
Dean is a good man, and a great candidate. Sorry, just because he's being picked apart by out-of-context drivel doesn't make him a "used car salesman."
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:19 PM
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12. "Inflammatory rhetoric should also be avoided." as per the user rules |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:19 PM
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13. So how is this post civil? |
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per new climate
Do you want just people to agree with your choices, or do you want to discuss anything?
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:20 PM
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:20 PM
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15. Thanks for your input |
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That's what this board is about..Discussing the candidates. You make some good valid points.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:21 PM
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17. Seriously, I hope you have better explanations than the ones you gave |
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"reminds me of a used car salesman"
"just couldn't get it done"
Ugh.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:29 PM
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32. Didn't you read post #15? |
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Those are valid points to the disgruntled.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:58 PM
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I had no idea the bar was set so low for some.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:21 PM
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18. It is Anybody But Bush |
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if you say anybody but Dean or Lieberman you are saying that you would also vote against them in the general election, either for a third party or for Bush. Neither of which are acceptable at DU.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:21 PM
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20. Please don't waste our time. |
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Give us a bit more substance.
This is becoming a bit like right-wing propaganda, where they repeat something so much you start thinking, well, there must be something wrong with him, I just don't know it yet.
This will only hurt us in the general election.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:23 PM
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23. Geez, what's next? First he's McGovern, |
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then he's Mondale, then Dukakis, then, surprisingly he's Newt Gingrich, then Barry Goldwater, and now he's a used car salesman. Did I leave anyone out?
Thanks for contributing to the debate.
And your prognosis of candidates is rubbish, in my opinion.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:40 PM
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they'll get around to calling him Mr. President!!!
:evilgrin:
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:23 PM
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I think he is almost if not just as likely a loser against Bush
He has a middle class tax increase, like Dean, and a 200 billion dollar increase in healthcare spending as his economic platform. He's also conjoined at the hip with big labor
All of these things should be avoided when wanting to turn the democratic parties perception around
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:24 PM
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25. So much for breaking the culture of incivility at DU |
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At least if Dean loses, we'll all know it wasn't his fault--we'll know it was people that were unwilling to support ANY Dem against perhaps the worst president of all time.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:26 PM
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Flaming piles of Poop, actually.
So if either of your 2 AB candidates win the nimination, what will you do? Please, enlighten us.
ABB...
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:27 PM
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28. mods go ahead and lock this if you want |
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I can see this is not turning out well.
It was not my intention to start a flame war.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:27 PM
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29. I don't think the mods need your permission |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:27 PM
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30. "It was not my intention to start a flame war" |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:31 PM
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And I really don't like Dean or Lieberman, this is also true.
It's just my opinion, but if people aren't going to discuss it well then, lock away.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:33 PM
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38. if it's your opinion, then back it up |
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I don't like broccoli, but you don't see me starting threads about it.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:36 PM
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Don't you think brocolli is electable?
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:43 PM
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but everyone should know that it is my favorite vegitable....
The honorable carrots....that only has the chance of beating Bush next November!!!
By voting for brocolli you are leading us to the worst defeat ever!!!!
Traitor!!!
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:48 PM
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54. Brocolli is not Cauliflower |
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and your beloved carrots are not even a vegetable, they are tubers masquerading as vegetables. Let's elect a real vegetable!
(Carrots for VP would be okay)
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:35 PM
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40. then frame your concerns with other words |
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... than "used car salesman" or "can't get it done."
You need to set the bar high enough for debate, but you've only set the bar at "flame war" level so far.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:37 PM
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43. 3400+ posts, and you didn't know this would start a flame war? |
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Riiiiiighhhhhttttt..... :eyes:
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:30 PM
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33. LOL. IMHO, that is always your intention. (n/t) |
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:31 PM
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yada, yada, yada.
I cannot believe you had the audacity to suggest that Edwards, Edwards the trial lawyer, would have more success than Dean the doctor. Just that premise alone sends your opinion the way of the Titanic.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:33 PM
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"Mods, now that I'm being exposed as a disgruntled nay-sayer who's opinions are substantiated by nothing more than ad hominem attacks, please save me from further embarassment."
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:36 PM
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:38 PM
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44. LOL, I should call this thread |
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"Attack of the Deanies"
Damn!
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:43 PM
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50. Umm. You attacked without substance. |
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This has been repeating itself around here for some time.
You expected something different?
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:52 PM
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and thought this thread was of little substance and basically a waste of time. So it isnt just Dean supporters
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:43 PM
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48. Deanies, I'm convinced |
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I will from now on, sing the praises of Dean evermore!
The wrath is too much too handle.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:44 PM
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52. How is the wrath any different from what you post? |
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You can dish it out, but you can't take it?
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:45 PM
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53. You don't have to become a Deanie. |
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It would be helpful, however, if you weren't deliberately inflammatory when you wanted to start a discussion abour merits and policies. Language can be a scalpel, so no need to wield it like a battleaxe in the initial post...
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:52 PM
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It is imposible for you to post a worthwhile thread!
All you got is dean bashing. Where will you go when he wins the nomination?
Life just wont be the same ever again for posters like you once you have to actually post something besides worthless bashing.
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Fri Dec-12-03 01:44 PM
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51. You would want a fired general and friend of bush |
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over loyal dems. Amazing. You want us to lose to bush so bad.
How will clark answer being fired and generals americans love will be on tv saying so. They will say you can't trust him with terrorist and so on.
Let us pick one of our own.
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