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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:10 PM
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Dean runs as a Libertarian, splits GOP vote, Clark/Edwards
It makes sense. Dean can go after the Confederate Flag/NRA/Libertarian vote, taking away some of Bush's base, like Perot did, and Dems bring out our base for Clark/Edwards. Dean gets to be Secretary of HHS. Win-win!
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:11 PM
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1. LOL
Dean is ultra-loyal to the party.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:39 PM
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10. To bad some of his supporters aren't
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 08:40 PM by Democrats unite
eom

edit: spelling.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:58 PM
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26. Attacks against Dean Voters needs to stop.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:12 PM
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2. Independant but not Libertarian
but I fail to see the value in it for Dean
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:15 PM
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3. Not even Independent
He would have the means, but he knows it would guarantee his loss and guarantee Bush's win.

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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:20 PM
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5. yeah, the concept is sort of incomprehensible
unless he self destructs in the eyes of the primary/caucus participants and has no other means of running.
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abbyhoffman Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:18 PM
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4. The election of 2004
is over Bush won today & deeep down you know it
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:24 PM
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6. I know no such thing
I seem to recall people saying the same thing during another Bush presidency after another Iraq war.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:30 PM
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:33 PM
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8. heh, that's clever
cute :)
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:27 PM
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22. HA!
;-)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:34 PM
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9. I see that it has opened the door for Edwards.
Edwards has managed to define himself outside of the Iraq invasion without appearing soft on national security issues.

It's the smart thing to do. Anyone who thought Iraq was going to work against Bush was insane.

It proves that Edwards is politically savy and has the good judgment required of the president.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:52 PM
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13. its the difference between representing principle or issues
Edwards thinks and acts on his principles. He does not have sides on issues. Funny how its people like this who win the While House (FDR, JFK, JEC, WJC and a host of others).
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:27 PM
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21. deep down I know
that the "positive effect" this has on Bushit will last about a week. He's toast because Saddam Hussein is totally irrelevant to 9/11 and to the real needs/problems of Americans: employment, healthcare, education, and the environment--at all of which Bush has long proved himself to be a Miserable Failure.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:32 PM
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23. I don't believe this one bit
I'm one of those who is happy to see Saddam, a brutal, murderous, repulsive tyrant, off the backs of the Iraqi people. But as far as Bush goes, this is no different than the appearance on deck in the flight suit. What changes? Not a thing. American soldiers die. Iraqis die. The war goes on. In three weeks nobody will be thinking about this and it will be back to counting bodies. If these idiots had taken him during the invasion, that might have been something else, but they didn't and things just got worse and worse. There's no reason they won't go on getting worse until there is regime change in Washington.

:dem:
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:50 PM
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29. sorry, no
his approval ratings will spike, just like they did after the war began, after the flight suit, and after the last few stupid stunts he's pulled...by mid january he's back below 50%

please stop with the defeatist attitude
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:42 PM
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11. That is rediculous, Dean is not anything close to libertarian
he isn't even close to as pro-gun as them, not to mention the fact that he is running on a middle class tax increase and 90 billion more on healthcare
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:46 PM
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12. well, running on a middle class tax increase isn't going to help
Democrats either.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:58 PM
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16. you can say that again
i really dispise that asshole
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:53 PM
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30. the folks who ignore this reality trouble me
this is big deal to the average Joe and this elitist stance is going to be a real problem.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:56 PM
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14. If Dean ran as an Independent or third party
He'd beat both Bush AND the Democratic nominee.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:57 PM
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:05 PM
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17. and wise
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:13 PM
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18. well, the Nader voters I know
knew he wouldn't win and wanted to get 5% and matching funds. No one actually thought he would win.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:55 PM
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24. Nader didn't have anywhere near the level of support Dean has
I'm not kidding. If Dean ran as an Independent I seriously believe he would win, especially if he has the most support and the DLC manages to use superdelegates to select the nominee. Dean has said he'd never run that way, though.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:56 PM
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25. Perot had more support than Dean
Think about it?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:21 PM
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28. Dean still might win
But only as a Dem. If you think he'd win as an independent, you are mighty wrong.

He would however cost us any chance at the election.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:17 PM
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19. Two political parties I absolutely won't vote for:
Libertarians nor conservatives.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:25 PM
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20. hey, same here
:)
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:14 PM
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27. I love it!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:12 PM
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31. Locking
Inflammatory. Support, criticize, and discuss, but advocating that a candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination leave the Party is inflammatory.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation,
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