Why do Repubs keep announcing they want Dean as the candidate ?

[shance]

I really don't think it takes molecular science here.

It's called good ole reverse psychology with the usual dash of Republicanized flair, fully equipped by utilizing as many Republican organizations, media moguls and Ann Coulter's available to spread the word and sound those out of tune trumpets of theirs.

A friend mentioned a great point recently - that when reading or listening to Republican spinsters, its always best to believe the opposite of whatever is being said. I believe it's true, with a few exceptions here and there.

If all else fails, follow your instinct, and if something doesn't seem right, well then, its probably not.

Whatever the case is, we should not let these deals distract us, we have computerized voting that is a HUGE issue that could totally eliminate Democracy and the Democratic party for that matter, which could take place in California in October if we don't do something about it and FAST. Heck, they won't need to criticize Dean if they steal the election through these privately owned computerized voting machines!!!!!!

I have also noticed alot of really pointless threads that, other than DU'ers joking around and being funny, are ways to get us to focus our energy from the important issues at hand - which to me seem to be, working to get the word out to as many people as possible about potential voter fraud, and of course to rally, support and DEFEND our candidates whenever necessary.

So back to the topic, here is another logical question:

How could they not be worried about the most energizing, crowd-drawing, bike riding** Democratic candidate, who took the lead over Kerry today in New Hampshire, and who happens to be the only candidate showing a consistent progression in the states being polled?

NOW WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY BE WORRIED ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO NOW LOOKS TO BE OUR LEADING CANDIDATE?

Beats me, Im sure they're not worried at all about Governor Dean....

and about that ocean property in Arizona......

:)

[JohnKleeb]

1. They are very dense but I think Dean could win

How does a RW loon like Chimpy pull in that much votes I think a moderate like Dean could win and when we are done with em Kucinich could not only win but win big because the people will realize.

[REP]

2. Reverse Psychology

[JackSwift]

3. They believe he is McGovernizable

and susceptible to being called a military pantywaist and far left liberal. He is liberal only to the extent that he opposed the war. Otherwise, he is a moderate and very electable.

Another thing that the Nixon/McGovern race had that this doesn't is that Tricky Dick actually served in the Navy(?) during WWII. Neither Bush nor any of his higher ups except Powell have ever served in a war zone, even Powell did not see combat. These guys have had one failure after another militarily because they do not understand the limits of military power. Bush is very vulnerable on the security and war fighting issue. Look for one of our former allies to have obtained Bush's air guard records many years ago and for them to turn up.

[shance]

4. Even McGovern recently said Dean is better equipped than he ever was

In a recent article, McGovern noted the main difference being Dean's ability to raise impressive amounts of money, where McGovern said they were always a day ahead of getting the bills paid.

Apples and oranges.

[shance]

7. Isn't amazing how many "pantywaists" are supporting the leading candidate?

To be against this war, does NOT, Ill say it again, DOES NOT have anything to do with being against any war.

It has to do with an invasion that is turning out to be of no purpose other than seemingly to secure Iraq's oil wells. There has to be a better argument than this.

On the contrary, it is proving to be even MORE clear, that atleast one (of many) reasons Howard Dean resonates so well with Americans is BECAUSE of his opposition to an incredibly irrational Iraq policy that consequently is resulting in thousands of unecessary deaths.

[DagmarK]

5. Another vote: Reverse Psychology

Of all the dem candidates, Dean is the only one who has never been bought by the beltway lobbyists. That throws ALL corporatists out of the loop for at least 4 years. And corporatists appear in both the dem and repub party. They ALL want Dean to be gone.

[JohnKleeb]

6. no offense Dag but Kucinich

is far more of an enemy to the corporationists and I think Dean has some pro corporate tenedecies not like Bush of course but I think I would trust Kucinich for anti corporate votes.

[shance]

8. Are you saying that Kucinich has no ties to Lobbyists or Special interests

I dont know the answer to this myself, but I would have a difficult time believing that a Representative in the House, even as good a person as Kucinich is, is without colleagues in those realms.

[JohnKleeb]

9. I am saying that he has less ties to corporate America than Dean yes

Thats what I mean I said LESS not none than Dean thats my point. I dunno but compared to Dean he has relatively few corporate endorsements in fact most of them are for ice cream companies. Sorry if I confused but I think Kucinich is less likely to be linked to a corporation than Dean would.

[shance]

11. I dont know the answer

From what Dean has said with regards to special interests and lobbyists, he is not beholden to any big business entities or groups Perhaps that may have been at one time, but it sure doesn't appear to be a problem or issue for him now.

All in all I haven't seen any information that would support his connections to corporate interests.

[JohnKleeb]

13. I would just say more so than Kucinich t

[REP]

10. Kucinich Not Really a Threat

Enough of what he says is scary enough to most people he really doesn't have a chance.

[redeye]

12. Anti-corporate...

...I don't know if that's considered spin, but Kucinich is too anti-corporatistic to the point that he seems to believe that anything corporations do is bad. Take NAFTA for example; Dean supports it as long as there're enough fair trade positions that ensure that there's little to no exploitation of Mexicans or of the environment - in other words, he supports the idea of third-world workers also deserving a chance to be employed - whereas Kucinich supports repealing it, thus giving jobs to American who don't need them nearly so much as the Mexicans who will lose them.

It seems to me that Dean's idea concerning international trade and corporations is kind of the same as mine: corporations should be harnessed so that their interests coincide with everyone's interests, whereas Kucinich's is more simialr to Nader's everything-corporate-is-bad.

[shance]

15. Hasnt NAFTA pretty much been a bad idea overall?

Do you know if it has affected the job situation here in America?

I would be interested to know.

[JohnKleeb]

16. Theres been job losses here I hear

and some Mexican farmers dont like it too I also have heard. I personally think American corporations should be in America and employ Americans at least people living in America that is.

[shance]

18. I would agree

NAFTA seems to have good intentions, but may not be in the best interest of American workers overall.

[imhotep]

14. since Dean is the most conservative of all candidates

it makes sense that conservatives would want him.

[shance]

17. I would say that both Conservatives and Liberals like Dean

Because he fits in both camps. He's conservative on some things and more liberal on others.

All in all, he just strikes me as a very principled person with an ability to find the most sensible approach to issues.

[Alexander]

19. What are you smoking, and where can I get some?

I challenge you to show a single shred of evidence that Dean is more conservative than, say, Joseph Lieberman.

[Dont B bush N Me]

20. I like Dean but I hope he doesn't get the nomination

I'm hoping Biden/Clark in that order gets in the race. They would beat the stupid white men Bush/Chweeney like a rented mule.

[CWebster]

21. The usual

You can generally count on the opposite of anything they say as the truth.

[farmbo]

22. Similarly, many in our party secretly pulled for Reagan in 1980...

...because we thought him to be too far right wing.

Be careful what you wish for!!

Rove mistakenly believes Dean is too far to the "left"-- a conclusion belied by his record-- and is fu*kin' with our heads with this rot about "bring on Dean".

Let's keep our eye on the ball,elect the best Democrat, and worry about what Rove thinks after the convention.

[LuminousX]

23. Confusion and Fear

Dean is an unknown. He doesn't fit the standard model, he is running a non-standard (ground breaking) campaign. The Repubs don't want to have to rewrite their playbooks to deal with Dean, so they really are trying to influence the Democrats, make the Democrats doubt Dean as well. Which is easy to do because of the same reasons.

This really isn't to say that the Repubs would have an easier time with Kerry, Edwards, or any other candidate, only they would be able to keep all the same plays because the other candidates are very traditional. Dean also has that teflon coating, which is good and bad. Good because it just means that no matter how much fecal matter the other side tosses it rinses away quickly. Bad because once he is in office, if he chooses, he can be just as slippery as Bush.

I also suspect that a handful of Republicans who bought into Compassionate Conservatism look at Dean's agenda and think "that's what I thought was meant by compassionate conservatism, helping people while being responsible with money."

[whoYaCallinAlib]

24. They think Dean will be PERCEIVED as weak on national security.

I didn't say he IS weak, but repukes believe mainstream America will view him as too dangerous to vote for. And by the way, who the fuck knows anyway why repukes do what they do?