The Stop Dean Organization....front for God knows who

[Cheswick2.0]

Is a pathetic and cynical misuse of Democratic activism. We don't even know who they are. Yes all the democratic candidates are trying to win the nomination. However they are not really trying to stop Dean are they? Its more likely they are just individually trying to replace him as front runner. If I really thought that this was a collective effort of all the candidates to "get" the front runner rather than letting voters decide, then I might stay home on election day out of disgust at what we have become.

Besides the group is run by someone who is a medical insurance excutive. He is the only person identified on the site. It says he was a former congress person. Do we know what party? There may be a whole different aggenda going on which is about protecting the insurance industry. I am disapointed that so many Clark supporters are defending this anti democratic PAC. I would like for the candidates to come out and denounce this type of activity.

[joeybee12]

1. Thank you!!!!!!!!!

Some whacko minds behind this one.

75% of the Dems don't support Dean? I know which orifice that was pulled out of.

And if these really are Clark suporters behind this (which I tend to doubt) it make me think less of Clark,a nd the movement is probably only hurting Clark, and not Dean.

[DemCam]

5. I'm a Clark supporter

and I am totally turned off by the ad appealing to fear of Osama bin Laden. Disgusted as a matter of fact. Clark certainly has nothing to do with this.

I also think it exposes the fallacy of McCain-Feingold. We may be worse off now in some ways.

[joeybee12]

7. Glad to hear it

Yeah, McCain-Feingold was a noble effort, but not really all that effective.

[Cheswick2.0]

12. Thanks DemCam

I agree

[demgrrrl2004]

8. It's Kerry and Gephardt folks behind the ad

Look at the Dean Blog on this one: they've done some research and found that the group that sponsored the ad is run by Kerry and Gephardt staffers and consultants. None the less, it's not like Howard Dean is against negative attacks. He's done his share of attacking in Iowa and New Hampshire. It's all par for the course.

[Cheswick2.0]

14. i don't know if we could say Gep and Kerry are behind it

and yes Dean was on the attack. But this stop Dean organization is a whole other ball game. It is anti-grassroots if my guess is right, it is the DLC deciding the democratic voters need to get in line with their corporate friendly candidates.

[DemCam]

2. Which Stop Dean are you referring to?

The ad with Osama or something else?

[janx]

3. Organization? If you follow the link you'll find it consists of ONE

post.

!

[janx]

4. Sorry Ches--I thought you were referring to the yahoo site.

Now I realize that you may be referring to the organization connected to the ad.

[Cheswick2.0]

9. Yes the organization is very suspect

They won't say who they are or who they support, but they are running and add linking Dean to terrorist. They are pulling a Willy Horton on him. It is pathetic and I don't think Clark is behind this, unfortunately his supporters here have jumped on the band wagon.

[mikehiggins]

6. If I might say something here without offending anyone? Okay?

Look at the candidates. Who among them do YOU think would willingly submerge himself simply to bring someone else down to benefit a third party? Do you think John Kerry would perform some kamikazi attack on Dean to benefit Clark? Would Gephardt do something like that to aid Kerry? Would Lieberman...well, never mind that.

Each candidate (with the exception of Clark) will critique and criticise every other candidate because if each individual did not beleive he or she truly were the best possible candidate (even knowing they had no chance to win) he or she would not be in this race.

Sooooo, it goes against nature to join a conspiracy to bring down candidate A so that D or E might have a better shot. Certainly, some might claim that doing so would benefit the Party and we should be willing to take one for the team. Generally, though, anyone who is running for President will be willing to let someone ELSE take one for the team, other than him or herself.

So, are candidates attacking each other? Sure. Is there a joint effort or conspiracy to stop Dean to "save" the party? Only in the DNC's dreams. Its every man (or woman) for him(or her)self during a primary, otherwise you don't play.

Running for President is not a team sport.

[Cheswick2.0]

11. no it is not a team sport, however

it is clear that many people here are promoting this PAC. I think it makes their candidate look bad.

To me this is either a right wing org. A guy with his own aggenda due to the industry he is in, or the DLC has lost it's last bit of decency and respect for grassroot voters.

[supernova]

10. It's incredibly dumb

And I find it hard to believe.

Yet another poster not wanting the voters to decide for themselves. Whoever heard of "stopping" a candidate within the same party!? :eyes:

BTW, I'm no one's supporter just yet. I'm undecided.

[Stuckinthebush]

15. Amen....

What a stupid, stupid thing to do. Are there many Democrats who are that shortsighted?

This kind of idiocy sickens me. When a candidate has to resort to "stopping" another candidate, then that candidate has nothing to offer us.

[supernova]

23. Lordy, I hope not

Are there many Democrats who are that shortsighted?

If as Cheswick suspects, it's a front org for some of the other campaigns, we will go down in flames next year. :-(

[Cheswick2.0]

21. me either, I have not decided

I will admit though that Gore's endorsement made me look at Dean again. I also like Clark. Of course in a better USA Carol would be a viable candidate and I may still vote for her.

[supernova]

27. Same here

I like several, all for different reasons. I like Dean, I like Clarke, I like Edwards (the homeboy factor, so sue me). The other's I don't know enough about.

[mzmolly]

13. It's unbelievable that DU could be used in such a manner

I can't understand why that thread was not immediately locked personally?

[madfloridian]

16. It was locked, then unlocked. Mods said it was ok.

Best not to argue about it.

Might be good for Dean in fact.

[deminflorida]

17. Dean knows it's not a team sport...better than everyone out there.

I remember that first debate with Clark in it...Dean went for Clark's political juggular vein with that so this guy doesn't know if he supported the war or not crap...

Don't listen to this rethoric...They're like rats jumping off a burning ship right now.

The bigger they are the harder they fall, that's all....I've been dealing with bullies all my life.

[bearfartinthewoods]

18. i read here at DU that the congressman was a dem

you don't have to have any ulterior motives to see the current status of the primary as a dangerous thing. at this point in clinton's first run, he was at under ten percent in the polls. as the primaries proceeded, he imerged at the winner.

i want this years' feild to have the same opportunity to shake out.

slowing down dean seems to be the only way that can happen. for the primaries to be made obsolete is a very dangerous precedent.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. sell it to some one who's buying BF

I think it is easily conceivable there is another aggenda. He may be a democrat but that doesn't mean he isn't whoring for the insurance industry and investment banking. Just look at his current resume as posted on the site.
Do you want to continue allowing the insurance industry to own our party leaders? I don't.

[supernova]

25. What a crock!

slowing down dean seems to be the only way that can happen. for the primaries to be made obsolete is a very dangerous precedent.

While I agree with you the cancellation of primaries is a problem, it isn't Dean's fault.

States are canceling primaries due to tight budgets (their excuses, not mine), not because of the "Dean appears to be the frontrunner so why bother?" syndrome.

[NashVegas]

19. Thanks For Saying It, Ches

I lean Dean and I think that site is totally a front.

[Kitsune]

20. Thank god for the "Hide Thread" feature.

I do believe that was the first time I've used it. :evilgrin:

[Cheswick2.0]

24. it's pretty tempting to do the same

! I agree!

[NashVegas]

26. I Should Have

Teehee, I got my first "warning" message, for calling it a spade.

such is life.

[edzontar]

29. You were not alone....

And many more may fall before the forces of good triumph over those who would destroy our party and our cherished forum.

[madfloridian]

28. I am going to leave that other Stop Dean thread unhidden and kick it.

I want it right in front of my face every time I come here to remind me what hatred exists. It is good to remember that.

[edzontar]

30. I am with you...let the thread stand as a mark of shame...

nt

[Scott Lee]

31. Should a bullet going through a foot be the new Dem logo?

It sure looks that way.

I always hate bowing to superlatives in my daily exploits, but here I have to let one fly - this "Stop Dean" crap is by far the dumbest, most ill conceived, hateful and potentially self destructive behavior I have ever seen attached to "Democrats". Never before has this been so clear as to why thee Democratic Party has been losing elections lately. It's beyond just not doing some things right. It has now plunged over the precipice of efforting to do everything wrong.

Do many Democrats want to lose? It appears so.

There is little you can do for this self-inflicted-wound mentality. I can only hope and pray it is a very limited clique, or that the contagion has been quaranteened.

[Cheswick2.0]

32. Sorry for being unclear

There is a pending stop Dean web site. There is another where they are showing anti Dean flash video. There is a third yahoo group with 15 members.


Here is the web site for people for jobs and progressive value. This is where they are running the Willie Horton type add against Dean. Read the "about us" page. The guy is all insurance, multinational corporation and investment banking industry.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

33. I completely agree

While Dean is NOT my first choice, this is dirty politics at its worst. Those who think they are doing the Democratic party ANY favors with such divisive actions need to chack themselves a bit.

Between this and the HORRIBLE commercial which I finally saw, these actions will stick and harm not only Dean but the entire party.