Who here is sick of the Dean/Osama Ad brouhaha?

[incapsulated]

I know I am.

[maxanne]

1. of course

you are.

[incapsulated]

4. I'm not alone n/t

[bobbyboucher]

2. I'd like someone's ass on a spit.

That was as dumb as it could get.

[arewethereyet]

3. come on, its politics. it's going to happen and it should be planned for

I mean come on

enough already

[Cocoa]

5. people are going around looking for this crap

they're doing everything they can to stir up bad feelings.

There is no reason this primary has to be this crappy, the people that are pushing this stuff are the ones making it crappy, I wish they would just cool it.

[TrueAmerican]

6. Who wants cheese to go along with that whine?

They are starting to sound like the Lieberman camp.

[KittyWampus]

7. Heck, I'm Shocked The Ad Wasn't Done By Lieberman

But since he can't come up with Payroll for his staff.. he couldn't afford to.

[Rose Siding]

8. Are you refering to the many Clark supporters

who disapproved of the ad? Because I found them to have integrity and it reflected well on their candidate.

[mzmolly]

9. I have trouble with the wording of your vote...

I would vote for, "I want the candidates to denounce it so we can move on" option.

[incapsulated]

11. Actually, that is my problem

This "request" that the candidates publicly "denounce" the ad.

It's one thing on an internet board.

It's another if it's a sincere expression volunteered by the candidates.

It's quite another for the Dean campaign to go around demanding that the other candidates "denounce" this. Why should they and who does he think he is to ask anything in this regard? Is he going to pledge never to do any "attack ad" against an opponent? If not, why the hypocrisy? In addition, and most importantly, he basically accused Kerry and Gephart of being in on this on his own website. That's just intimidation, to me, to accuse someone of something and then demand that they deny they had anything to do with it.

By the way they go on about this, you would think the ad accused him of being a child molester or something.

Dean and his supporters had better grow a much tougher skin if they do get the nomination, 'cause this is childs play compared to what they will be getting from Rove.

[retyred]

10. Has deans victim bat gotten bigger?

No? Then I want to whine some more! /sarcasm



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[Myra]

13. Good luck finding a candidate with a victim bat bigger than Dean's...

He has the biggest bat of the bunch.

[Scott Lee]

26. And he's got the most money and support.

That's gotta hurt, ne?

[Myra]

12. Good poll; thanks. And it doesn't appear there was an ad to get over.

I haven't seen one post from a DUer who saw the
alleged ad broadcast on TV.

Just a "leak" in an obliging newspaper painting Dean as the
victim and the Kerry and Gephardt's teams as perps by remote association.

Simultaneous multiple posts on DU about the horrible alleged deed,
coupled with lots and lots of fund raising for Dean and much pressuring of
people here to immediately "denounce the ad" and donate to Dean!

Then days of "denounce/donate..." threads to really
pound on the message in case it was too subtle initially.

Followed by days of "denounce/donate..." threads to really pound on the message
in case it was too subtle during the preceeding few days.

Followed by days of polls and redundant threads that are
almost "dupes" but not completely because of the little utilized
DU loophole that makes it not completely a dupe if one
word is different in the title.

And still, I haven't seen a post from one DUer who saw the
alleged ad broadcast on TV.

Yeah, definitely sick of "it."

[mitchum]

14. Great post, Myra...

I agree with your analysis(and skepticism) completely

[Myra]

21. Thanks mitchum. The beauty part is I'll get to use it over and over...

And over...In response to every new thead on the subject.
It'll *never* be obsolete!!!

But I'll just kick this thread instead of boosting those threads.

[IndianaGreen]

15. Willie Horton type ads are now acceptable to some Democrats?

Don't whine when the GOP does the same thing to your candidate, you'll get no sympathy from me!

[Patriot_Spear]

16. Well put. n/t

[incapsulated]

17. This has nothing to do with whether it was "acceptable"

Just whether the crying about it is over the top.

It is.

It was an ad that, so far, nobody has seen. Not an assasination attempt. :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

18. The ad was shown on CBS News tonight

The TV network audience are seeing that some Democrats think that opposition to the war in Iraq is to support Osama bin Laden. Although the ad was intended to smear Dean, it has beaucoup collateral damage by smearing millions of antiwar Americans as pro-terrorists, the same charge made by Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter.

You are not going to get these voters to the polls in November 2004 to vote for a prowar Democratic candidate.

[incapsulated]

22. It was shown on CBS

In part because of the fuss the Dean camp has made about it. Ironic.

[Myra]

19. Clearly there are those not sick of using the (so far imaginary) "ad"

In fact it's being used right now on GD.

9:20pm PST, Dec 16 (2003).

(And this will likely be true no matter when you read it.)

[IndianaGreen]

20. The ad was broadcast on CBS News tonight

there is nothing imaginary about it.

[KittyWampus]

23. CBS NEWSNIGHT! Gee, They Didn't Even Have To Pay For A Spot

CBS aired it for free....

[Myra]

24. Actually, that just underscores that it's only been promoted via media

First a SF newpaper, now CBS "News"...

If anyone actually sees it *broadcast* on TV that would be better
input.

[Scott Lee]

25. No way! I want more attack ads - they bring in $$$ for Dean!

The last sleaze ad just netted Dean over half a million in donations...I say MORE ATTACK ADS, NOW!

[ConsAreLiars]

27. The irony of all of this whining and demanding

by some of those who claim to support Dean is that the net results are:

1) Some media are picking up the story and the ad is being played on TV nationally and the Dean loves Osama meme is being spread more widely;

2) Some people who claim to support Dean are now mounting a campaign to encourage Dems to not vote in 2004 if Dean is not the candidate.

Is this what they wanted?

(edit: "some of" added where necessary for clarity.)

[fabius]

28. It's a Rovian tactic.

I'd be pissed about it even if it was (say for instance) Dean supporters smearing Lieberman or something like that. I don't think this kind of stuff has any place in a Democratic primary.

We all gripe about the dirty tricks on Cleland, this is the same thing. Coming from Democrats.

Somebody's really desperate out there.

[Name removed]

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