LOL. Edwards was right. CSE is a repuke front group.

[alaine]

Go Edwards. Give 'em Hell. I can't believe this jerk lied on national television. "No, that's some other organization."
'
Got the the "citizens for a sound economy" website and read their slams on Kerry and Lieberman, and their right wing anti-taxation agenda.

[tjdee]

1. That's what they do. They lie.

And frankly, that Edwards had his number and called him on it proves he's not as dumb as a Breck Girl usually is.

Unfortunately, he made a mistake with the name (after all, there are dozens of them), so the guy got an out.

[alaine]

2. I watched the whole thing and he did not make a

mistake with the name. Edwards' exact words were "I know exactly what Citizens for a Sound Economy is". The guy was holding a huge sign, for crying out loud, Edwards read it right off his chest, as did I and I wrote it down and went on the website right after the show. If I had misread it off the sign it would have taken more than one try to get it to come up online, I did not even have to use 'search'. Not to mention that the logo on the sign matched perfectly the one on the website, I recognized the logo before the whole site came up.

[tjdee]

3. Oh, okay.

I watched as he came up to Edwards, and had to go after that, got a recap from the person I was watching with, and then read the FoxNewsisEvil thread.

That's even BETTER.

Edwards is not stupid, and he has about 3 or 4 town hall meetings in NH this month, so I think he's ready for whatever the GOP has got for him.

[alaine]

10. kick!

[killbotfactory]

4. LOL

The guy just flat out lied. What a jerk.

Good for Edwards.

[alaine]

6. kicking this to undo the damage.

[bearfartinthewoods]

15. DOING THE SAME

[ShaneGR]

26. Of course Edwards was right!! And one other thing I love

The guy was ranked by Time Magazine as one of the top trial lawyers in the country. The guy is a genious.

Name another candidate who will take 90 minutes of questions, and then walk through the crowd taking some more!

[sangh0]

5. And some DUer's believed their lies

and some of them have asked why Kerry and other Dems believed Bush*'s lies.

[tjdee]

16. sangha, is that you?

new name?

*puzzled*

[Cocoa]

17. and pushed, promoted and propagated their lies

that guy from that GOP front is a true slimeball for doing that.

Edwards is a class act.

[bearfartinthewoods]

23. kick

[RememberJohn]

7. CSE as in "Citizens for A Sound Economy?"

They're conservative, yes, but more libertarian. I worked for a company who did web design and marketing with them so I spoke to them daily and met with reps a few times.

I also got the inside skinny on a few other rightwing groups while working there.

[killbotfactory]

8. "Libertarians for a sound economy" is an oxymoron.

Kind of like "monopolists for small business" or "dictators for democracy".

[alaine]

9. Libertarian/Conservative, what's the difference...

The point is that the guy came wheeling up to Edwards after the meeting and kept hammering him to sign some stupid petition about social security. Edwards got rough with him and told him he knew who they were and that they were running political ads slamming him and that he would not sign. It was getting heated so the man LIED and said, no that's not us "that's some other organization" to which Edwards replied that he would be happy to take a look at the petition, and left it at that. He really had Edwards going for a minute or two. What a lying bastard. I think this begs a few e-mails to that org to ask them how can anything they say or represent be believed on since their reps are willing to lie or nat'l television.

[PurityOfEssence]

12. Actually, there was more.

(I responded more in depth in the other thread.)

He then asked what they were for, and when told about private investment accounts, he asked if they were in addition to or instead of Social Security, and when told "instead of", he immediately said he was against it because that would eliminate the safety net if someone made bad decisions.

This guy is fast on his feet and nimble of mind, not afraid to admit a mistake and pretty damn straightforward.

He treats people with respect, not categorizing individuals by worth, and he listens well. He listens well; I can't say that enough. That's what it's all about: constantly adjusting in the face of an evolving world. This is something he's good at.

[alaine]

13. thanks...

I was having trouble hearing the whole conversation because of that damn fan, but I do remember him saying he would be happy to take a look at the petition, but now I bet he wishes he had stuck to his guns and told the guy to take a flying leap, instead of giving the guy the benefit of the doubt that he did not deserve. Just so the cretins could go back to their cave and wank off over the fact that they have this signature from a politician that they have been running ads against.

Once again, I repeat, EDWARDS DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE!!
The lying bastard C.S.E. wingnut LIED.

Actually, I don't know why I'm so up on this. I hate innaccuracy, but I'm still pretty sore at Edwards over not supporting gay marriage. My support for him went from warm to lukewarm after last night, but at least let's get the facts straight.

[tjdee]

14. I don't think any of them support gay marriage.

His position on it is the same as Dean's--civil unions should be up to the state (and I flippin' flappin' hate that, as if we need to have 50 different findings on it).

In fact, I thought his response to that was one of the most direct of the entire meeting.

I didn't like it though. It's a 'safe' answer, and it sucks.

And damn it was hot in that room.

[PurityOfEssence]

18. Eyes on the prize

Hell, as an anti-religious agnostic, I hate the damn "suck the pledge of allegiance goddick" vote that the Senate grandstanded with after the California ruling too, but if I take 'em all to task over that, that's 99-0. I like too many of them, and that was a sandbag question.

The gun issue is a candidate killer, and much as I HATE all guns and all forms of violence, I hope that doesn't come up. I'm pro abortion, and I don't think that's going to be a huge issue. That's too hot potato for both sides right now. The medical marijuana issue is something designed to sandbag candidates, and I'm sure I'd think differently if I had loved ones who needed it and there wasn't an adequate substitute. Hell, I'm pro-drugs, but I'm shutting up on that. I'm shutting up on legalizing prostitution. I'm shutting up on a whole lot of things.

The bottom line is do you trust the man, do you feel he's approachable, and do you feel he VALUES THE WORTH OF ALL HUMANS EQUALLY. He goes way out of his way to say this. He's against privilege and hierarchy, and you can tell by how he apologizes when he bumps into people, and how he takes people's questions. He also volunteers things like "did you know I voted for the Patriot Act", when many other politicians would have merely said what else he said about how it's been implemented intrusively.

He personally and emphatically attacked John Ashcroft by name. He called Junior "a phoney" twice, using the word very specifically. He used the line about Junior "walking around on that ranch of his with that big 'ol belt buckle on" twice, and the second time he did it, he credited his wife for it. Good traditional politics and some damn humanity.

When answering the world court question, he said "yes" immediately, and he equivocated and quibbled very little. He did fluff the question about what he'd do to Powell and Rumsfeld, but that's a bomb thrown by a young guy bent on tarring him as a functionary and letting absolute idealism grant himself the right to attack anyone involved in realpolitik. The medical marijuana was a bit of a fluff too, but I think a lot of that was from the heart: his energies have been spent on judicial, foreign policy, campaign finance and education issues.

Thanks for listening to him. Watch him, and watch how he listens, engages, cares, admits fault and deals with complex situations in complex ways.

There are a lot of spoilers out there who's only realy intent is to show certain candidates as liars; these people are largely critics. As a good friend of mine says: "a critic is a eunuch in a whorehouse".

As someone who's managed fairly large numbers of people in creative and business endeavors over the years, it's easy to snipe at leaders, but it's tough when you're in the crucible. He did very well...

[tjdee]

22. That was a winner for me too.

There were times that he went into "politicospeak", and that was when I could tell his inexperience, but the reason I stayed engaged was because of instances when he said "You should know I voted for the Patriot Act." When he said "I'll get you an answer by Wednesday night." When he said "for better or worse, I haven't spent the last 20 years in Washington, I just haven't." When he said you've got to know what I'm about in here (pointing to his heart) and you should know that about all the candidates--and that didn't sound like b.s. to me. When he called Bush a phony and meant it. When he stayed until every last person was gone.

He's the real deal. This was his first town hall meeting, he's got them all summer, I hope people saw what I saw there last night.

[Lex]

11. Too bad some DU'ers were suckered by the disruptor.

Glad to see Senator Edwards was ready for the asshole/disruptor.
Cool.

[blm]

19. Ain't that the truth....

some even get suckered by Newsmax, still. heh.

[bearfartinthewoods]

20. ii am going to keep kicking this until as many people who saw

incorrect DU thread previously posted, see the truth.

[bearfartinthewoods]

24. kick

[MidwestMomma]

21. Thanks for the correction

I was confused by the other thread as I hadn't seen anything 'funny' in the confrotation I watched. In fact, I thought Edwards had handled it very well. He called a Republican a Republican and called the guy on his bullshit.

Have to say I was surprised about the lack of comments about the Edward's meeting last night here on the board when he was on. Guess most people here don't see him as a viable candidate. I don't know, he seems like a sincere person with an ability to work a room. Some lady last night said he had the 2 C's--confidence and charisma.

Guess we'll have to wait and see if he can get some mometum.

[alaine]

25. I don't know about anywhere else, but C-span did not

re-run it until very late, I think some folks missed the one at 7, and I went into to turn the TV on around midnight or so and there he was.

John E. is a badass when it comes to confrontation, he has shown that. I would have liked more elaboration on his stance on gay marriage, but alas.

[bearfartinthewoods]

27. i want to see him debate bush

[alaine]

28. dubya won't do it. Or they won't let him do it.

Can you imagine. W. would be like a lamb to the slaughter. Thanks to Edwards for calling him the poseur that he is. Yeah, Andover prep, that's where all the good ol' boys go.

And they're all cheerleaders, too.

Thanks for all the kix.

[PurityOfEssence]

36. I dream of that

I've posted about it many times. If Junior doesn't show, he'll be exposed for the megacoward he is; if he shows, he'll be embarrassed as the ultimate example of the nobody versus the somebody.

[ShaneGR]

31. Yeah, you're right

:-)

[elsiesummers]

29. I'm glad to see Edwards fans here.

I don't have cable so didn't see the town meeting.

Edwards has the right message. And he is certainly great at delivery. Now he just needs to get some press attention.

He's the best.

He also criticizes Bush more directly than any of the other candidates - so I'm surprised that more DUers aren't pro-Edwards.

I don't surf here that often because it mostly seems to be Dean, Kerry Kucinich wars - and although I'd vote for any of them in the General Election, none of them really appeal to me - they aren't saying what I want to hear.

Unfortunately, I think Edwards is often dismissed before his message is heard because he's (1) good looking (2) young looking (3) low on Government experience and (4) Southern. I hope that Democrats listen to what he has to say - that they open their minds to his message - it's really about equal opportunity for everyone, and fairness - because if they hear him I think he will win the primary. And if Americans listen to John Edwards, he'll win the General Election.

[alaine]

32. I agree, there is definitely contempt prior to investigation.

That is so boring. John needs to put on a powdered wig and knickers and sing "I am not a 'himbo" on national television to get respect, I guess.

Kucinich is the only one that has his forcefulness of delivery but sometimes he looks like he's about to pass out from the stress of preachin' the liberal gospel.

I'm giving everyone get-out-of-jail-free cards on the southern thing; I prefer to assume they play the geography card as pure strategy instead of out of bigotry. Thank God for Edwards calling W a phony, W is making Southerners look stupider than we are already reputed to be and he's a blue-blood, caviar-on-my-grits psuedo-southerner. I bet he's never even had real cornbread.

[tjdee]

37. I think you're right.

I think Edwards is dismissed because of the reasons you state--but I wonder sometimes if the Democrats aren't doing more of the dismissing than the Republicans are.

When Edwards announced his exploratory thing, the RNC issued a 10 page memo on him. The insurance industry is in the process of making ads against him (none of the other candidates as of yet). And apparently two different GOP groups thought it would be good to send someone to screw with him last night.

They take him more seriously than some of the people on this board, and I think he will have a harder time in the primary than in a general election.

As Mrs. Edwards says, the best way to tell a counterfeit is to put the real thing right beside it.

[Tanketra]

38. To tell the truth ...

I *did* largely dismiss Edwards early on, and my reasons for doing so were that the things I kept hearing from people wanting me to SUPPORT Edwards was he's (1) good looking, (2) young looking, and (3) Southern.

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing how "smart" or "attractive" a candidate is on a personal level. I'm tired of hearing it about Edwards, I didn't want to hear it about Gore, I don't want to hear it about Sen. Clinton, or Kerry, or Dean, or whoever. I might think Angela Bassett is smart and attractive, but that doesn't mean I want her to be President. (Well, at least not until I know what her positions on privacy issues or capital punishment are.)

You can't really blame people for ignoring Edwards's message when the first things out of Edwards boosters' mouths always seems to be either "he's a trial lawyer" or "you can't win without the South's vote."

As for Edwards's message ... I gotta be honest. The following:

"I hope that Democrats listen to what he has to say - that they open their minds to his message - it's really about equal opportunity for everyone, and fairness - because if they hear him I think he will win the primary. And if Americans listen to _________, he'll win the General Election."

... could probably be said by the supporters of almost ANY Democratic candidate running -- just fill in the blank.


Having said all that ... I *have* been trying to pay closer attention to Edwards lately, and while he's still not my favorite, he's not in my "my passport has just become more important than my voter registration" category, either.

[ShaneGR]

30. You know it

haha

[kathee]

33. I caught the last bit of it

and I really liked the man. I enjoyed seeing his response to this guy yall are talking about. He called him on it quick. I saw the dude with the sign, and loved the way Edwards called him on it. I didnt know he had lied, so was glad to see this thread about it.

He seems to know what he stands for and what he's talking about. I didnt catch it all, I only caught some kid ask about medicinal marijuana use, and all he said was you know where I stand on that.So I dont know.

Best part was his feelings on Bush. Loved that!

I thought I heard a lady say they were born the same year,1953? If so, he sure looks good for his age!
I looked on his website, but didn't see is year of birth anywhere. Im keeping on eye on this one.

[tjdee]

34. He just turned 50....last month, I think.

His view on medical marijuana is similar to Deans, he wants to get 'experts' to 'study' it, on edit, alaine has a better memory of it than I do.

But that's not what some people wanted to hear, understandably.

[alaine]

35. Yep, he turned 50 (last month, I think).

His stand on medical marijuana is that he would put together a non-partisan group to study the effects of it, he made no statement one way or the other except to say that the arguments now about it are "ideological". He had said this to the woman sitting in the wheelchair to the right of the young man that made the comments you saw, she was the one with the original question. Plus I got the impression he had spoken to the man earlier as well.

I'm kicking this because the innaccurate thread has now been viewed 666 times, a sure sign of the devil at work . : 0