The DLC did NOT lose the 2002 elections.

[Capn Sunshine]

Get ready for a surprise, campers!
It...........was................the ....................
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
who lost the election!

If you whining typists don't like what happened,

UNPLUG THE COMPUTER,GET OFF YOUR ASSES, AND GO WORK FOR THE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE TO CHANGE THINGS!
YOU'LL NOTE THEY AREN'T BACKING A CANDIDATE YET.
HE/SHE HASN'T BEEN NOMINATED.

Stop blaming everyone and his momma, especially the DLC.

[tjdee]

1. Or, the individual candidates....

Somehow, everyone always forgets about them.

[lcordero]

2. Wrong again

Cleland got hosed by a computer

[gristy]

3. DLC? DNC?

Who's supposed to be in charge?? THAT's who I want to blame!

[johnlal]

4. I'm not buying it.

In the election, it became a joke, that Bush and Gore were very similar on most of the issues. That's what the DLC is trying to do. They think they can beat the republicans by becoming just like the republicans. I live in Indiana. Its really odd that our Republican Senator (Richard Lugar) is more vocal in his criticism than is our Democratic Senator (Evan Bayh). The DLC may perpetuate the party, but at the cost of its soul.

[Bombtrack]

7. you really lack when it comes to specifics

"Bush and Gore were similar on most issues"- Not really, by issues, I assume you mean current debate and legislation in congress to be signed into law by a president, in which they would either sign or vetoe, I don't really know what issues they are "similar" on that the DLC is somehow responsible for


"at the cost of it's soul" -what does that even mean?


The DLC is a think tank, and a membership which candidates in competative races can use to appear more mainstream and electable. It does NOT determine how a person votes, and it has nothing to do with helping republicans

[Bombtrack]

5. We were also outspent 2-1

and they politicized the war and homeland security beautifully.

[CWebster]

6. WHO gave the marching orders to stand "shoulder to shoulder"

and not criticise the president?

The DLC dominated DNC.

[Bombtrack]

9. Right, congressional democrats never critisize Bush

see my above post,

If you actually think the chair of the DLC has any ability to bully dems into doing anything you've obviously never seen the guy.

He's just a policy/politics wonk in charge of an overhyped caucus. It's all unofficial public analysis and strategizing from the DLC, not the sort of black helicopter stuff you would think it is from reading some of the posters around here, particularly the Dean/Kucinich crowd.

[sandnsea]

8. What election? There was a campaign? A message?

Must have missed it. All I heard was 'rah rah Bush'. And when I read DLC issues statements, I still hear the same thing. Rah rah Bush. If we don't have a stronger message quick, we're headed down the same path again. Why not vote for Bush since the Democrats aren't going to do anything different?

[whoYaCallinAlib]

10. We have to differentiate outselves WITHOUT alienating the middle.

We need a better plan for education, a better plan for the economy, a better plan for healthcare and prescription drugs, and a better plan for natinal security. THAT is how we distinguish ourselves. If we veer too far left, we'll lose the middle. Yeah, yeah, I know . . . we can't afford to alienate the base. The base will vote democrat. They will not vote republican. I'm not worried about the base in the next election because another four years of Bush will totally destroy whatever is left of this country.

[Capn Sunshine]

11. How is THIS "RAH RAH " Republicans?

It's time to measure President Bush's economic leadership. Since 2001, the economy has benefited from a massive, prolonged fiscal and monetary stimulus. By cutting taxes and running ever-expanding deficits, the federal government has pumped a staggering $600 billion into the economy over the last 30 months. The Federal Reserve has slashed short-term interest rates to 1 percent, the lowest level since the Eisenhower administration.

So why isn't the economy recovering? With that much stimulus in place, the lack of economic recovery can't be just blamed on bad luck. Bush's economic policies are also to blame. Let's look at the results.

When the Bush administration took office in January 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.1 percent. In June 2003, it was 6.4 percent, the highest rate in nine years. The total number of jobs lost since the peak in employment in February 2001 is now 2.5 million, and payroll jobs are still falling In January 2001, the S&P 500 stock index stood at 1,336. By June of 2003 it was 988, about the same level as January 1998 It's clearly the Bush administration's fault that the federal surpluses of 1998-2001 are long gone, replaced by record deficits of $400 billion a year or more. Unless we take action, the deficits could balloon to economically calamitous levels after 2010.


<snip>Bush's economic policies have failed to restart the economy. And the outlook for the latter years of this decade -- when the baby boom generation starts to retire and join the entitlement rolls -- is grim.

(From This months Blueprint Mag).http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=251923&kaid=125&subid=162

[Bombtrack]

12. I couldn't find that statement in the congressional minutes

oh, here it is

107th congress 8/19/03 4:17 PM

Mr. Anderson: "Mr. Speaker I'd like to ask for 1 minute"

Mr. Speaker: "Gentleman from Oregon is allotted 1 minute"

Mr. Anderson: "I think I speak for the entire committee when I say, Rah-rah-Bush"

"I yeild the remainder of my time to the gentleman from New Jersey"

[Capn Sunshine]

13. Does THIS sound republican to you?

Two hundred twenty-seven years ago, democratic insurgents and reformers came to Philadelphia to forge a new country that would forever change the course of human events. They gave us a nation and a government based on immutable, enduring values: work, responsibility, liberty, equal opportunity for all, special privileges for none.

Now, at the dawn of what ought to be America's greatest century, too many of our country's leaders are trying to leave behind the values and aspirations that have made America great. If we continue on the present course, the promise of America will never be the same.

President Bush has not kept the promises he made America three years ago in Philadelphia. His administration promised to expand our prosperity, but has squandered it. The administration has failed to address the real problems that most Americans face: paying the soaring costs of health care and college; saving for retirement; balancing work and family. It has burdened, betrayed, and abandoned the middle class and all who aspire to join its ranks.

We want more for America. We will ensure that the values, security, and aspirations of the broad middle class are forgotten no more. President Bush has no agenda for the forgotten majority. We do. The party that helped build America's great middle class is determined to save it.

More....
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfmcontentid=251925&kaid=128&subid=174

[AndyTiedye]

14. The Democrats did not Lose the 2002 Elections...

We were robbed in the 2002 elections (Rise of the Machinez).

[Sinistrous]

15. That resonates

Like a marshmallow in a sewer pipe.

What crap. Nobody remembers what spewed from the mouth of bush three years ago.

Whoever wrote that must be a REALLY big fan of Mom's apple pie! Not a hint of a specific policy, program, or solution even hinted at in the whole piece.

That is precisely the kind of rhetoric that will put the electorate to sleep and give the true-believing right wingers four more years to rape the Constitution and loot the treasury.