HOW MANY OF YOU THINK WE HAVE JUST PASSED THE POINT OF NO RETURN?

[Tinoire]

A chill crept up my spine as I read this story and all I could think was we have just passed the point of no return.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=39450&mesg_id=39450&page=

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=c8b72fd97499fc3c

What do you guys think?

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[sham]

13. dear GOD when will you be tombstoned?

am getting really tired of your pedantic, jingoistic little posts. go ahead and have your fun. you're only making an ass of yourself.

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[Tinoire]

21. Oh Please. You've Been Through this before. Stop with the surprise.

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[SweetZombieJesus]

41. Ah, "the finger"

The last resort of the truly brain dead.

It's like the surface of Mars in that head of yours, isn't it? Like "Support The Constitution" Day at RNC headquarters, I'd wager.

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[Catshrink]

76. He probably has wet dreams thinking about AnnThrax

n/t

[deadparrot]

46. re: "Waving"

Ah, the height of maturity.

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[Forkboy]

38. "you guys"

'nuff said

[Tinoire]

22. Welcome to DU Sham

It's a pleasure to welcome you! :toast:

[sham]

30. thanks :)

I'm actually a long time reader, only started posting recently. seems like this wack-job is on every thread I read tonight. oh well...

here's one for you, Tinoire! :beer:

[Tinoire]

58. Prost! I'll toast to you!

:beer:!

Thank you for finally joining in. We need as many astute, Orkin-men as we can get! I look forward to reading your posts in the future. :)

Ciao

[never cry wolf]

115. damn, i missed him

i have yet to run across an "invader", always too late. i wish they would leave the message up and just maybe highlight it in red or something.

[madmax]

23. lol sham

don't insult the poor donkey.

[are_we_united_yet]

48. Always this stupid?

Or did you practice it? Just curious.

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[are_we_united_yet]

69. Balanced?

Like Rush, or Wolfowitz, or Dubya or Perle or Clear Channel?

You're right. We're not.

[Catshrink]

79. Hey, don't forget Faux News -- that's where he gets his idea of balance!

[are_we_united_yet]

82. Clearly balance is an issue with this person.

[enki23]

119. nice mill quote

this one's better:
"Although it is true that not all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." ---John Stuart Mill

[deadparrot]

2. Well...

...so we've fought a war to, uh, end terrorism (:eyes:), which has lead to the deaths of soldiers and citizens, and now we're right back where we started.

Thanks, Dubya.

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[deadparrot]

8. Okay...

Well, for starters, i wouldn't start a war that has no point.

But that's just me.

[west michigan]

11. good thing he has no stones for NK

....methinks it is in the same area as vietnam. Got a good look at his "stones" as he ran away and hid in the bunkers on 9/11 while we were asking where is the president? Awol for vietnam too bubba.

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[mitchum]

55. You don't deserve nice

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[deadparrot]

51. . . .

He who laughs last, laughs best.

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[Catshrink]

53. Jr. did NOT win and that is the lesson!

And he isn't going to win next time either. Because he's a moron and a freaking liar.

Bush lied, thousands died. Freep that.

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[deadparrot]

70. Can't believe i'm still arguing

. . .with you, but remember the days when the Dems controlled everything? When experts thought they'd be in power forever?

Things change...including Dubya's approval rating.

[Catshrink]

81. You idiot -- Jr. did NOT win 2000.

and he won't win 2004 either. Because he's a liar and a moron.

[are_we_united_yet]

83. I'll go to France if you promise, promise

not to visit.

[Tinoire]

86. lol!

:loveya: that. ME TOO!

[DemBones DemBones]

112. Moi aussi, mes amis, moi aussi!

It would be a pleasure to again live in a country that does not make war "pre-emptively." Not to mention that GM foods aren't allowed in Europe and you can get wonderful fresh foods, breads, coffee, wine everywhere.

[madmax]

54. thus endeth the butthole

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[SweetZombieJesus]

75. Actually, I wrote that myself

See, unlike you and your profoundly retarded pod brothers, we are actually capable of INDEPENDENT THOUGHT and FREE WILL. We don't need fat gay playboys like Rush to do our thinking for us. See, I'm old fashioned in that I actually like to FORM OPINIONS FOR MYSELF! Who'd have thunk it?

Though I do envy you: I wish I had the RNC to send me my talking points so that I could go on leading my robotic existence like you.

LIBERALS BAD. FASCISM GOOD. ME LIKE GIRLS WITH ADAMS APPLES.

[SweetZombieJesus]

84. My GOD I'm a good writer

I need an obnoxious stupid freeper to knock around more often! ;-)

[Tinoire]

87. lol! That you are. Impressive! Nice of this one to come out so OPENLY!

:)

[Catshrink]

90. Totally impressive!!

Nice job ---- glad I was able to witness it. How inspiring!!! It's fun, huh?

[Catshrink]

99. He's over here... on another thread

have fun!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php#96709

[Tinoire]

108. Where? That took me to the DU Home Page n/t

[Catshrink]

111. Sorry...

here is the subject line:

Democratic Undergrounds Military Vets(past/current) Tribute Thread

The other one is the one about Hollywood scripts.

[Tinoire]

120. Military Vets? NO comment from THIS vet.

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[Catshrink]

95. Angka -- I love you.

[SweetZombieJesus]

97. Mine's still better ;-)

Mine had a Shane reference.

Seriously though, good fucking post. Maybe we should get the mods to let one of these monkeys on a day for target practice. God knows I'd enjoy slapping these backwards ass ninnies around a bit.

[angka]

103. i enjoy when frisky freepers come to play

and i have no fear of their piddly, nonsensical, easily refutable arguments. it's fun stuff.

[SweetZombieJesus]

105. It's like American Gladiators

And we're shooting them with rhetorical tennis balls.

I just lost all my intelligentsia cred by referencing American Gladiators, didn't I? Whoops.

[angka]

114. but nothing spoils the party

like a little hamfisted moderation. deleting this many posts was not necessary.

[SweetZombieJesus]

116. Well, I reworked my post into another thread

but I agree, now you don't know what the idiot was saying to provoke our scintillating responses.

[prolesunited]

12. Wow

You're certainly making the most of your short stay here, aren't you?

Yeah, it takes stones to send young men and women to die for you and your oil buddies and defense contractors. And where was your fearless leader during Vietnam? Where were his stones then? And what about Cheney, who had more important things to do.

Many experts have said that we are breeding far more terrorists through our actions. So, what's your solution? Kill 'em all?

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[prolesunited]

28. Congratulations on serving your country

But I wasn't talking about you. I was speaking about Bush and Cheney. Would you care to respond to that?

Genocide. What a concept. I guess you missed your chance in Nazi Germany. Do the innocent women and children get 72 virgin as well?

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[are_we_united_yet]

88. And the survivors are

really thanking us now at the rate of one US soldier a day.

Because the hate our freedom of course.

[ljm2002]

113. If it is true

that Uday and Qusay were killing 5000 of their fellow citizens per month, then perhaps that could have been used as a justification for going to war. It would be a level of barbarity of historical proportions. But that's not how this war was sold -- I could not have told you the names of Saddam's two sons until I read about their demise and saw pictures of their lifeless faces. The fact that we summarily executed a couple of bad guys and two of their cohorts, even if they were very bad guys, does not retroactively justify the war.

[BurtWorm]

32. Wal-Mart uniforms don't count.

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[deadparrot]

74. . . .

Ah, yes, and you represent the right wing VERY well, indeed.

[are_we_united_yet]

101. He's breaking up....

[BurtWorm]

102. You mean it was a Wal-Mart uniform you were talking about?

[Tinoire]

33. Really? What branch? Year? Specialty? MOS? Installation?

We have a ton of vets here who would love to 'chat' with you and make your stay here as enjoyable as possible!

[TahitiNut]

89. "served in uniform"???

Since when is a straitjacket called a "uniform"? :eyes:

[are_we_united_yet]

100. Careful about assuming who has served in uniform

E.g. by your sentence, I might assume you served at McDonalds.

[Tinoire]

14. WHO IS "HE"??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUSH?????

Who is it you're saying had to the balls to do something about it?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Catshrink]

19. Looks like we've got another freeper.

Or is it too soon to tell?

[Tinoire]

25. Post #10, the first post I saw of his was more than enough!

[Catshrink]

39. Looks like he's gone...

not soon enough. Scared off?

[Catshrink]

62. Guess I'm wrong about that....

How long before the mods respond?

[mitchum]

17. I know I can't be the only one alerting on your sorry ass

[Tinoire]

24. This is about the 4th person I've alerted on in the last 2 hours

[Catshrink]

26. I alerted also....

you aren't alone...

[Rex]

44. Do something about what pray tell?

Clue us in as to what Bush had the stones to do.

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[never cry wolf]

117. he also had the stones to get out of nam

and his puppet master cheney sent 6 to nam in his place. BIG brave men, huh?? besides powell name me one in the mis-admin that was in war!!

besdies, what he did do actually made thing worse for you and i. by going into iraq the REAL threat, the terrorists, especially al quaida, have had time to regroup and gain recruits. the boy king has TOTALLY failed on national security!!!

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[madmax]

4. Include this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=39277&mesg_id=39277&page=

and yes, I would have to agree we are past the point of return.

It is IMPERATIVE that the Dems win this election.

[Tinoire]

I Saw that earlier and SHIVERED also! Thank you for adding!

Making MONEY on DEATH and DESTRUCTION!

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[madmax]

16. I've got one word for you

Clark

[salin]

31. in a rather knee jerk and simplistic way

your choice of words, though not original, are rather amusing.

[Tinoire]

35. Talking-Chimp kind of way, isn't it?

[quinnox]

5. All the more reason to have regime change of

our own in 2004!

[aquart]

6. Piffle.

Soap opera fans panic exactly the same way every time they get a new spoiler.

It's really annoying.

Did anyone ever have sympathy for Chicken Little?

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. That is probably just son of fat Osama tape

The reason to have chills up your spine is not disinfo ops and bad quality tapes, but the generation of children both in and outside the US, who are being carefully and systematically taught that human life has no value.

[leftist_rebel1569]

9. well, we still have one last card

Regime Change. That's the only way

[Tinoire]

29. Yes do we have the luxury of time?

[NYC]

37. I agree. Regime change here at home can change our

relationship with the world.

Excerpt from your post (Tinoire):

there will be no "peace and security" as long as the US is declaring war against Islam and Muslims.


That says AS LONG AS, etc. A new regime here can STOP declaring war against Islam and Muslims.

[Tinoire]

42. I'd hate to lose on a matter of semantics just in case they were

I'd hate to lose on a matter of semantics on the chance they might have been improperly translated.

But I hope to hell you're right and I'm wrong!

[NYC]

56. You're right about translation.

However, I have a feeling that if we stopped, they'd stop.

We do need an entire regime change before any of that becomes a possiblity. Meanwhile, people will die on both sides.

[Tinoire]

77. I really hope so

But after one year observing how human nature works in F/A, I've lost hope that any side can afford to lay down its arms thanks to today's fast-moving technology. These wars are no longer slow-moving and this one has picked up a really dangerous pace.

Like I said, I really hope I'm totally wrong on this one.

[NYC]

63. More re semantics and translation.

They were threatening Bush & Co., not ALL of us. Did you notice that?

[Tinoire]

85. Yes but I also remember

that Bush was only threatening Sadaam and not the Iraqi people.

Just look at the hate on this thread between Americans... I multiply that with the pain and anger of the people who've been wronged. Angry men don't see.

"You think a couple thousand lives means shit to killers?". (Paris from his song: What Would You Do, protest against Bush)

[noiretextatique]

72. who didn't expect this

since bush, inc has been begging for it? they are scaring more and more people, and their plan will backfire...in a big way. not the point of no return, but definitely the darkness before the dawn.

[NYC]

78. Darkness before the dawn.

Such a hopeful expression. Thank you. :hi:

[noiretextatique]

92. i have to embrace hope

otherwise, there can be no dawn. i can't live in a world like that :hi:

[sasquatch]

34. Already past it

once we pre-emptevly attacked another country that has done nothing to harm us. That is when we passed the point of no return. Because the PNAC administration wants control of a soveriegn nations oil a shitload of Gen. Xers are going to get killed because of it.

[Tinoire]

40. Hi my friend

:hi: Good to see you :)

[Catshrink]

73. Back to the original discussion... just ignore the little freeper-boy...

This is frightening. This war has stirred up hatred among Muslims toward Americans. The lack of sensitivity shown by our government -- those unelected people who represent us to the world -- only makes things worse. Displaying the bodies of Saddam's sons like war trophies was probably the stupidest thing Rummy and Dickie could have done -- except of course, use the mortician's putty to fix up their faces. It shows great insensitivity to religious customs. We Americans will pay for this in more lives, both of our servicepeople and civilians.

[Tinoire]

91. I totally agree and the karma will be brutal!

Our economy, our people, our way of life.

Thanks for protecting our way of life you neo-con ass-holes since that's the reason they hated us anyway!

[Catshrink]

94. But Daddy and Haliburton and Bechtel will make money

so what does he care? He'll go back to his ranch and clear brush. I admit, he does have talent for that !

His wealthy buddies will reap the rewards of his tax cut.

And the rest of us? We'll struggle along and (re)defeat his sorry ass in 2004.

[DemBones DemBones]

80. Do you know anything about the credibility of that site? Has this

been reported elsewhere? It's scary but we did expect it, didn't we? I know I always thought a preemptive strike on Iraq would be a recruiting tool for any Islamist terrorist group. And, as someone already said, we need to worry about the ones who don't announce themselves.

This is a song from our youth. There were many years when their power seemed to be broken but now they've got it back. (Have you seen the graffiti "Frodo failed, Bush has the Ring" ? ) We must fight them politically and pray for good to triumph over evil. Nothing else to do, is there? (But for now, dear friend, I'm going to bed as it's nearly 2 a.m. here.) Dylan always gives me courage.

"Masters of War" Bob Dylan


Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead



Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music

[Tinoire]

98. The site looks impeccable to me (Home Page & all)

I'd wager serious money it's not a fly-by-night site.

"You, Bush and Rumsfeld, you both and all the decision makers in the Black House and the Pentagon, we are going to put fire under your feet and there will be a fire pouring over your head like you've never seen before and nobody can stop it except Allah," he continued.

:scared:

Thank you for your thoughts and the Dylan song my friend.

It is good vs evil and we MUST trium otherwise humanity is finished. Bush has ignited WW IV. I see no turning back.

Cassandra?

On edit: Story carried here also

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Articles.asp?Article=57537&Sn=WORL
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/29/1059244598362.html

[DemBones DemBones]

118. theage.com has another story about Iraq being a magnet for

terrorists; i.e. they're going there specifically to attack American troops.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/28/1059244557471.html

And now I really am going to bed and I'll think about this tomorrow (Omigod, I'm channeling Scarlett O'Hara! lol)

[Catshrink]

96. The little freeper went over to another thread in GD

Hope they alert also...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php#96709

[Tinoire]

104. About the SALAFIST JIHAD GROUP

Moroccan police rounded up 33 suspects Saturday, including some linked to the Salafist Jihad group. Five were still in custody Sunday, government sources said.
...
One of Salafist Jihad's main spiritual leaders, Ould Mohammed Abdelwahab Raqiqi, alias Abu Hafs, was jailed this year for inciting violence against Westerners.

The 28-year-old cleric, who was among the Arab mujahideen in Afghanistan in the early 1990s, has expressed clear support for the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington and hailed the al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as a hero.

The attacks targeted mainly Jewish and Spanish sites. Spain was a leading U.S. ally in the war on Iraq.

http://www.al-jarida.net/Casablanca2.html

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http://slate.msn.com/id/2083087/
http://www.geocities.com/desertrecon/recon.html

[Catshrink]

107. Thanks for the link!

That good info to have.

[Wonder]

106. I perfectly good question dedicated to a freeper

I don't Know I will bookmark the thread and read past 45 tomorrow.I vasilate on this sometimes I think yes sometimes I think no. I worry. Let's just say I worry. I can conceive of an attack on American soil. And then I think nah... too apocolyptic a thought. I am no familiar with the source of the article. Bignews network???

could be we're knocking on heavens door. I just tell myself Blessed are the Peacmakers for theirs is the kingdom of heaven (on earth).

That said. I will check in on this thread tommorow.

[Tinoire]

109. I worry very much

and I've noticed you're also very voracious with the news and astute in your analyses. The same thing...

Peace

[Tinoire]

110. HELLO MODERATOR! GEE I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

Thank you!

On edit. I LOVE the moderator who took the time and had the patience to delete rather than locking. Had you locked, that would have been fine, understood, and accepted!

All I can say is Wow, what dedication to have read this entire thread and deleted all those posts one by one!

Thank you for that dedication to DU and to us posters!

[Dont B bush N Me]

121. Anyone want to bet me lunch this so called holy war

(in actuality it is a war waged by demons) will be funded by Saudi money?