The Military Draft Has Already Started Folks

[Yavin4]

If you don't allow military personnel to retire when their time has come, that's called conscripted service, or a draft. Follow this link:

Army Stops Many Soldiers From Quitting

Excerpt:
To many of the soldiers whose retirements and departures are on ice, however, stop-loss is an inconvenience, a hardship and, in some cases, a personal disaster. Some are resigned to fulfilling what they consider their patriotic duty. Others are livid, insisting they have fallen victim to a policy that amounts to an unannounced, unheralded draft.

An enlistment contract has two parties, yet only the government is allowed to violate the contract; I am not," said Costas, 42, who signed an e-mail from Iraq this month "Chained in Iraq," an allusion to the fact that he and his fellow reservists remained in Baghdad after the active-duty unit into which they were transferred last spring went home. He has now been told that he will be home late next June, more than a year after his contractual departure date. "Unfair. I would not say it's a draft per se, but it's clearly a breach of contract. I will not reenlist."


On edit: I would sue the military in order to get my release.

[sable302]

1. Happens in every war

Happened in Bosnia, from what I understand.

[Yavin4]

2. Do You Have A Link or Proof That It Happened In Bosnia?!

Because you're using dittohead logic, which states that everything that's wrong under Bush also happened under Clinton, so I don't accept your argument without proof.

[Superfly]

3. Hokay....

Here you go mon frair

Clintons Stop Loss

[Tempest]

8. But was it used in Bosnia?

The article says Clinton authorized stop-loss, but was it ever used?

I personally don't believe it was from my own experience.

[Superfly]

9. Yes it was...

I was active duty during that time. (still in, but reserves, now)

[Tempest]

12. I hope you'll understand...

But I would like to see a cite showing it was used.

Like I said, it wasn't used as far as my experience goes (Pentagon liaison for NATO forces).

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I do

read the piece that was posted, it is in there

And as I said, it was very small and it came and went
without most noticing.

[Must_B_Free]

27. well, there goes this talking point...

another one torpedoed by a freeper.

Oh well, the difference is we accept truth when confronted with it (some of it, anyway, sometimes...)

[DoNotRefill]

30. "liasing"....

is generally not seen as a vital military MOS.

[sable302]

10. Thank you

I knew I remembered it correctly. Even without dittohead logic.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. It did

Stop Loss does happen when wars occur

Here is the major difference, In Bosnia it occurred in a very limited way for MISSION CRITICAL PERSONNEL, such as MPs and Medical, and it was over very fast... as soon as the war was over.

That is why it never registered with most people, or the press and it affected a very small number of soldiers, by percentage in the total force.

Oh and this is mentioned in teh article that she posted if you care to read it.

The major difference are the number of stop loss orders signed by this administration

Now I have to wonder why they have not gone the FDR route... who basically gave the order, you will remain in teh service for the duration plus six months (if you were alrady in) and this has been my particular nightmare, as my hubby is less than two months from Retirement.

[Cannikin]

17. Well, its official...

the mouthpiece has begun to speak of the draft....The programming of the ditto heads.

[slater71]

11. I want to add that..........

The guy who filled for Limpbag today kind of touched around the edges of a draft. He said that kids need structure today and the military would give them that. it would be a good thing for todays youth to serve. He than went on to say that we will need 60 to 70 thousand more troops to deal with "other" countries around the world like Iraq, and we should not have to let other countries like the UN, control any of these countries that we "liberate." It`s coming. If this asshole gets elected again, there will be nothing to stop them from doing what they want as a lame duck administration.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. So all the denials to the contrary

and oh boy, Rummy and Wolfie being on record that they want a draft
but they're not planing for one.. yes the on again, off again is
funny... is all bluster?

You mean it is coming?

Get outta here!

You damn lib'ral spreadign lies

:-)

Yes this is the dittohead programmed sarcasm folks.

[wingnut]

26. Rummy and Wolfie being on record that they want a draft?

got a link? I need to see this.

Thanks :)

[denverbill]

16. The chickenhawks will come home to roost if that ever happens.

My god, can you hear the whining dittoheads.

The 18-22 dittoheads who were so pro-war will finally get their chance to 'serve their country'. I'm sure they'll happily give up their frat parties and donate a few years of their lives, if not their lives, to a cause greater than themselves. The 36-50 year old dittoheads will be having 18-22 year old kids given the honor of serving. I'm sure they will offer their kids up with relish!

[alfredo]

4. The Clinton was truthful about why we were in there, and our

soldiers were not mercenaries for halliburton and Bechtel.

[Superfly]

5. He's now "The Clinton"?

Is that like "The Buddha"?

[sable302]

15. exactomundo

The simple fact that they refused to call it Operation Iraqi Liberation in the first place, just goes to show that we all know what THIS war was really all about.

[DUreader]

28. I think there were mercenaries(contractors) actually

The company that was busted for sex slavery was in the Balkans

[Bandit]

13. Congress has to declare war for it to be effective.

You can't just violate a contact because Bush* call it a war. IMHO

[BOSSHOG]

6. It allows the President to

keep trained, experienced servicemembers from departing at their pre determined retirement date because he erred. Many in government look at STOPLOSS as a personnel management tool. (THAT SHO NUFF SOUNDS GOOD DON' IT?) If bush and his henchmen had established a policy to fight terrorism instead of securing oil fields this effort to keep older servicemembers in uniform would not be necessary. Please pass the word. When some dumbass conservative neighbor of yours says this is a good idea, please, talk slowly and explain to him what a fucking moron he is.

[Cannikin]

19. This will be one of the most harsh things I say....today.

By God, let the ditto heads put there money where there mouths are and sign up to fight! Let them go over there for a few tours of duty and see if they still feel like its worth it! LET them face the realities of having there sons and daughters come home in boxes under the cover of secrecy. Let them die while there 'fearless' leader bickers over who will profit from the war.
Maybe then, they will see things differently.

Does anyone know where to access recruitment figures? I bet conservatives are FILLING the bootcamps to go and fight...what? No?

I'll sign up the day the Bush daughters do.

[PaDUer]

25. Absolutely..n/t

[loudnclear]

18. One cousin stationed in Iraq has already signed a new contract...

she was scheduled to come home in Sept. but has "signed" for antoher year. She told he mom she would have to tell her about when she got home at the end of her tour. She said she couldn't tell her anything while over there.

[Cannikin]

20. Surely you arent saying that our military would 'encourage' her?

:tinfoilhat:

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. She was probably facing a stop loss

It is easier (and more profitable in the short term) for the soldier
to just sign

If she was kept against her, all kinds of shitty details were coming her way

And no... I am not kidding

And yes, she coudl not tell mom, as those calls are monitored.

[Postman]

24. Guessing, from prior military experience, she was told.....

re-enlist and we'll give you a bonus and orders stateside relatively soon, or we extend you here indefinitely.

Really not much of a choice if you want a firm date to go home.

Just a guess.

[Ilsa]

23. My brother had to stay in the last Persian Gulf War.

His contract was up in January. I think he finally got out in April. Yeah, fortunately, it was only a few extra months.

"And just when I was gettin' short."

[DoNotRefill]

29. Sorry....

part of the contract you sign when you join the military states that they can retain you if they need to. Once you're in, you're in until the Government says you're not, "for the duration". This was a big deal during the Civil War, with many Northerners volunteering for 90 days, and then finding that they were in until the end of the war.

Even people who are nominally "discharged" from the military without prejudice (ie it's not a bad conduct discharge) are still in the military, either in the active or inactive reserves. They can still be called back, even if they've fulfilled their required duty.

It's like "Global Thermonuclear War"...The only winning move is not to play.