Drudge: Moveon.org features ad comparing Bush to Hitler...

[Cooley Hurd]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm (but to go directly to the flash, click here - why give Matt the hits?)

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MOVEON.ORG FEATURES AD COMPARING BUSH TO HITLER...
ONLINE CONTEST TO MAKE BEST SPOT TURNS VICIOUS. WEBSITE FEATURED AD, LATER PULLED IT AFTER COMPLAINTS, DRUDGE HAS LEARNED.
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Okay... which DUer submitted the Bush/Hitler ad to MoveOn? Let me know because I'd like to vote for it! :evilgrin: :thumbsup:

[RUexperienced]

1. This will only help *

if we can't run on the issues.

[are_we_united_yet]

31. One issue is:

His administration sucks.

[Skittles]

46. I think the fact that Bush Inc is bunch of fascist assholes

is THE BIGGEST ISSUE

[Turtleboy22]

2. Not a good idea

As much as Democrats hate Bush, he's NOT Hitler.

Ads like this guarantee a MASSIVE loss in November, no matter who the Dem. candidate is.

[thebigidea]

3. I just love the insistent voices chanting "he's NOT Hitler!"

if he isn't, then why protest so much? Its obviously a silly, indefensible statement, right? Why dignify it with a comment?

[w4rma]

4. He's not at all like Hitler & the Patriot Act is nothing like the Enabling

Act! </sarcasm> :eyes:

[RapidCreek]

7. No one said he is Hitler

He is being compared to Hitler...guess that escaped you, eh? In any case...since you seem inclined to disagree with the camparison, please expound on the two mens vast differences. I'd love to hear what you have to say on the isseu.

RC

[radwriter0555]

21. I say he's hitler. He was appointed LIKE hitler, he is invading LIKE

hitler, he's surrounded entire villages with barbed wire, LIKE HITLER...

He's got the GOP radio idiots marching lockstep with no questions asked LIKE HITLER.

Evil incarnate.

And he's turned our military into mindless nazis, willing to kill anyone their boss tells them to, without morals and without question.

LIKE HITLER.

Evil.

[Malva Zebrina]

24. he does indeed resemble Hitler

but the people in Hitler's Germany were suffering after the defeat of WW 1

We do NOT have that here in this country at all. I have often wondered how the German people could have gone with it all under Hitler, an obvious madman--they did, so we are told , those of us who are just ordinary observers or readers on that history--how in the hell did a Hitler ever command such subservience and such total support of his people? WE wonder this, we here in the West. We wonder and have wondered over time, how the German people could have gone along with the Hitler, the madman.

They did, and that is obvious.

But they did because of THE BIG LIE

and now take a look at the BIG LIE of the stupid ignoramus, lacking in any sort of intelligence, the little dauphine, George Bush.

He lies , and goddam it, it comes naturally to him!

He kills thousands of human beings--dark skinned human beings who worship a different god. He is directly resonsible for the murder of these people--their children who were murdered, their women who were trying to protect their children, and thier old men, who were trying desperately to protect those womena and children--their daugters and their grandchildren.

The smirking asshole who retires inordinately to a dried up ranch in a dried up state, has come forth to tell us that he has "won" because he said "bring em on"

And the American people, expecially the uneducated and those most dependant upont their reptillian brain, agree.
!! They actuall agree that is it necessary to kill other human beings, innocent human beings, children and old men and the motherws of all those children in order to "prevent the killing of the lives of our soldiers" We have, it seems, actually SAVED the lives of human beings by killing thousands of them!

I hate George Bush, the little prick of a man who is wallowing in the photo ops that depict him as an actual human being. HE is not.

He is a satan --an evil man--a stupid man--a mam without a clue==a man who wants desperateluy to be a "man" but who is failing, and who has failed his entire life.


Take a look at this smelly, coward of a man--and tell me he is not like Hitler.

[Gingersnap]

29. Amen Marianne!

:D
Another striking similarity, alluded to in your post, is the whole Christian moral imperative thing. Hitler justified what he did by saying it was a moral imperative of Christians (and Aryans) to defeat "evil," thus mixing religion with aggressive occupations. On Erich Blumreich's animation site there is a good flash comparing Bush and Hitler, Hitler quotes that all sound like things Bush has said, particularly with respect to religion.

But Bush doesn't have that mustache and isn't a vegetarian. Gee, on second thought, they are vastly different. :eyes:

[tom_paine]

40. Now, now, the Busheviks are "kinder and gentler" than the Nazis

No boxcars full of piteous victims
No race-based violence and murder

For most people, these are the only comparisons they are capable of making.

"If there rae no boxcars full of victims and no race-based Busbevik violence, then how can Bush possibly be like Hitler?"

That's just how it is.

[Hubert Flottz]

48. All those things will come after the Reselection in November!

Operation 'Absolute Power 04'!

[peacetalksforall]

8. Of course he isn't Hitler, he doesn't press his hair to his head

but his string pullers have come up with with their own form of rulership. It is a combination of nazism, communism, dictatorism, imperialism. There is no way around it - from the taking over of other countries to the imprisonment without representation to concocted-phantasmic lies, to rule by fear. THERE IS NO WAY AROUND WHAT IS HAPPENING AND THE STATED AGENDAS OF THE PEOPLE WHO RULE HIM, At least Hitler didn't follow orders as far as we know. So...you're right. Congratulations!

[kanrok]

12. Let's list the reasons he's not like Hitler!

Here's mine:
1. No silly little moustache
2. Bush can't give rousing speeches in German

Well, that's all I can think of.

[kcwayne]

14. Bush can't give rousing speeches in English

let alone German.

[knight_of_the_star]

32. LOL!!!

You beat me to it!

[BroadswordNLance]

33. Ja...

George Bush is Frau.

[number6]

19. LOL

:evilgrin: ;)

[rumguy]

10. It warms my heart to see a Newbie so optomistic!

Not...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. You need to start taking a much closer look at the Chimpster and...

...his NeoCon minions. The comparisons to Hitler and the Nazi Party are irrefutable. Only those people with wrap-around blinders would say otherwise at this point.

Wake up.

[number6]

23. Lighten UP

"Ads like this guarantee a MASSIVE loss in November"
:think:

really, the whole election turns on this ...

[Military Brat]

5. Oh, big deal. Lots of comparisons between * and Hitler

This is nothing new. I agree with the Mussolini comparison that fascism should rightfully be called corporatism.

Move On's contest is an open forum. If that's how someone felt, that's their business. It clearly won't be the winner of the contest. I've seen quite a few of the 30-second movies. Some of them are absolutely brilliant.

[shawn703]

6. Liked the Santa ad though n/t

[proud patriot]

9. Moveon voting is over

over 1000 ads were submitted to moveon , alass
I was only able to vote for around 200 of them.

Lots of the ads were to put it as politely as possible
way way over the top .

My 2 favorite ads :

He Can't Do That
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/vote/view.html?ad=KoF.pdImt6buKg.txkAdAnZpZXctMjI1Nw--

Seriously

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/vote/view.html?ad=UTGzk8zRf4oXVGn4LcTpl3ZpZXctNzY5

[0007]

17. Thanks!

[bpilgrim]

25. here are a couple more ads...

http://globalfreepress.net/sgtv/MoveOnWeb/MoveOn-GFP.mov
more...
http://globalfreepress.net/sgtv/MoveOnWeb

thanks for the links those were GREAT :toast:

peace

[TankLV]

13. Fantastic Ad! What is factually wrong with the ad?

Where are the comparisons stated in error?

Did not both creatures say exactly what was shown? Isn't is the least bit disconcerting on how almost identical they are in just these few instances? Isn't it amazing how we can come up with countless more instances where they are twins?

And the complaint is not about what was said/shown, but the very IDEA of doing it? So we should all just sit down and shut up when we see historical parallels here?

NOT FOR A FUCKING SECOND!

I won't hold my breath for an answer, because there is NOTHING in that ad that isn't the gospel truth!

Being nice doesn't win elections!

The nominee doesn't have to do it, but I sure hope the rest of us do!

Got you thinking about it, right?

[Lone_Wolf]

22. I agree

I never understood why people say it is taboo to compare somebody to Hitler. I have never seen one good reason why people treat Hitler and Nazism like a forbidden subject.

[camero]

28. What really makes it factually correct for me.

Hitler had signed non-aggression pacts with some of the countries he invaded. Most notably the Soviets. North Korea anyone?

[kcwayne]

15. Can someone that speaks German

tell us what Hitler is saying in the ad? Without knowing German, I would take the ad to be saying that these quotes from Bush are echoes of what Hitler is saying in the associated segment.

Is this in fact what Hitler is saying?

Thanks if you can help clarify this.

[Kellanved]

30. of course

But I prefer being labeled as a "who".

The Hitler speech in the background has nothing to do with the text in the front. It really is just nationalistic rambling (along the lines of "Germany's return to greatness". It's not even a correct/completed sentence) .

[kcwayne]

35. Thanks,but what is not correct/completed?

Are you saying that the background speech is not a correct/completed sentence, or that the Bush quotes are not correct/completed sentences?

[Kellanved]

36. the "speech" in the background

Is really just this monster of a sentence (I'm not 100% sure about some words, but the other possible words weren't making sense either):

"Die Zukunft des deutschen Volkes, wenn wir selbst, dieses deutsche Volk, eine Vorführung (?) zu eigener Arbeit, zu eigenem Fleisch, eigene Entschlossenheit, eigenem Trotz, eigenen Beharrlichkeit, dann werden wir wieder emporsteigen, genau wie die Väter einst auch, die Deutschland nicht geschenkt erhielten, sondern selbigst schaffen mussten."


In English:
"The future of the German folk, if we ouselves, this German folk, a presentation at own work, at own flesh, at determination, own spite, own insistence, then we will rise again, as our fathers, who didn't get Germany given, but had to make it themselves ." (the last few were words in Austrian)

[kcwayne]

37. Alot of handwaving and emotion to say nothing

Its hard for me to understand how someone could take him (Hitler) seriously. All of that emoting just to say "we will rise again" just doesn't connect with me.

I feel the same about Bush's evildoers, personal connection with God, and incoherent rambling of disconnected thoughts.

These men are brothers in buffoonery. Its scary how many people their methods energize.

Thanks for the translation.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

38. The buffoonery is what helps dictators to succeed

Maybe Bush would like to have more and more power, but he has (hopefully) already failed at it.

Look at the dictators of the 20th century, large and small. What they have in common is that most of them were buffoons and bullies and nobody knew how to stop them from getting to the top because they acted outside the bounds of common decency. They would lie, kill, deceive, etc, whatever it took.

Bush is brazen enough to do practically anything and nobody has known how to stop him yet from taking power he shouldn't have, but I think he will get stopped because what he doesn't have is the support to carry it all out. Look at Hitler's huge cheering crowds of people.

Bush has phony support, propped up by the media. Most people are just apathetic. I think he would have maybe, 25 percent of the people behind him to cheer, but they are mostly the armchair warrior types, big-mouthed cowards.

It is more that he has gotten away with what he has because there has been no opposition yet.

[Karenina]

41. WOW, Kellanved,

Ich bedanke mich! I listened to the track and got Volk, Arbeit, Fleisch and then just glazed over because it made NO SENSE. THEN I checked out the Üntertitle while reading your Übersetzung and realized the METHOD in the madness of the clip's creator, as they are all *dimwit quotes that are sound and fury signifying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

[Kellanved]

44. danke

It was a rush job this morning, just before a lecture. I've spotted a few typos, so it's not quite 100% the speech. I'm still wondering if it was the intention of the author to use an especially incoherent Hitler speech, or if it was simply the first/best one he could find.

Anyways, I'm not exactly fond of Bush/Hitler comparisons.

[Kellanved]

45. dupe

well, somehow the spellchecker doesn't seem to work as intended.

[Must_B_Free]

16. I wonder which ads freepers are making for this

to try to define our identity?

[number6]

18. insulting Hitler again ...

Hitler could form a complete sentence. :evilgrin::evilgrin:
:smoke:

[AlienGirl]

26. But it would be a long one

...that would make no sense, contain weird loops and leaps of logic, and probably have a few mixed metaphors and pseudo-intellectual bits. Ever actually try to read stuff Hitler wrote?

Tucker

[BroadswordNLance]

34. LOL!

I think it's funny Bush have to really think about what he has to say: "Today....... on... September.... the eleventh................. we... were attacked by ....... terrorists....."

[radwriter0555]

20. YES! Great Minds THINK ALIKE... I just LOVE those people!

Awesome, just awesome.

[camero]

27. I got a better ad

Make him out as having a Barney Fife uniform on in a 9/11 setting.
But ANDY. What do we do?

[LatteLib]

39. Let them cry.. this is such a small drop in the bucket to the attacks good

Democrats have withstood by the likes of Rove, etc. As an example, look at Max Cleland. That is an outrage!
They are used to Democrats being peaceful, polite and trying to connect with them on a human level.
They have proven over and over that won't work. The country is a mess. People are sick of it. You can push people and continue pushing and pretty soon, when they wind up with their backs against the wall, they will finally push back.
I don't think they have any idea of what people are feeling these days. They keep Bu$h under wraps and feed him the news, and tell him what he wants to hear. The RW media plays on their side and tries to make it sound as if it is a lost cause to Democrats to even compete in the upcoming election but, I beg to differ. In the real world, with real people that can vote and make a difference, they are sick of being sold out to coporations. These corporations continue to get out tax dollars as welfare and in exchange we get no jobs, a spiraling deficit, no healthcare unless the corporate cronies are making millions personally from the deal, more corporate lobbying, and nothing for us real Americans that dearly love this country. Those people don't love our country. They love their money and their corporations. It's our kids that are over in Iraq fighting this war based on lies, not the neo-cons. Watch the NeoCon talking heads when they come on C-SPAN and some vet calls in to ask them if they have ever served in the military. They give the song and dance about how they have never had the privilege and then go off to compare it to a policeman's career. Hey, they can have that "privilege" now. All they need to do is sign up. Especially since they spend so much time trying to convince America what a worthy and much needed war this is. <this is in reference to that neocon nutjob, Max Boot's appearance>
Here is your crying towel, RNC. In the meantime, expect no sympathy from me or any other average American. In fact, expect more in the future because the bottom line is:
We're not going to take it anymore!

[kath]

42. Could someone post a link to the "comparing Bush to Hitler" ad?

I haven't had a chance to see it yet, and would really like to.
Thanks!

[Karenina]

43. It's up top on the original post

where it says "click here."

[kath]

47. oops, duh, guess I should have checked that. I thought that since it

had been pulled it would be hard to find <red-faced, slinking off>