If an organization had attempted to expose Hitler

[BOSSHOG]

and his work in the 30's, the GOP would have been appalled. The Ed Gillespie of the day would have sent out a press release denouncing the moveon.org of the day. Freepers of the day would have sounded the alarm to censor all liberals. The political leader of the day and his team would use the media to distort the truth and claim patriotism as belonging only to them. I suggest liberals support every effort to expose all politicans and all their actions. No one else will.

[mopinko]

1. my thanks to moveon for their courage

ya know, i had not seen that spot. i saw a few of them, but did not get very far. but i just made a button with hitler on it, and his quote- “something of even the most insolent lie will always remain and stick”
and i gave him a little elephant on his lapel. i thought to myself, no one will ever buy/wear this button. i'm not sure i have the guts to wear this button. but i had to make it, i had to put it on my website (not up yet, soon), because it is f*&^%$g true. so, now i have the guts to wear it, and i know i will get a lot of shit. too bad.

[kath]

23. I'd like a button (or shirt) with the Hitler quote "What good fortune for

"What good fortune for those in power that people do not think"

[Homer12]

2. The Right Wing in this Country

Has a hard time admitting to themselves that they have become fascists, supporting a would be King to the throne of American Imperialism.

But, personally, I think they like the power. They doom us all.

[LeahMira]

18. They think....

... that it's OK to be fascists because they think they are right. They only object to fascism when it works in service of the opposition.

That's the problem. They refuse to permit people to be wrong and heck... nobody's right all the time.

I read somewhere that Thomas Jefferson never thought that the U.S. would become one large nation extending from Atlantic to Pacific.

I'd kind of like to see the Confederacy break away, but make them agree to stay in their own area. Let them set up their own government as a Christian nation with unregulated capitalism and a huge military and no social services and states' rights and so on. Then let's see how they do. I'd bet that in ten years they'd all kill each other off or starve to death.

[kath]

24. Many's the time hubby and I have thought the same thing, LM

[JHB]

22. "I'm just hoping to see you & your liberal buddies behind razor wire"

[bryant69]

3. Depends on how you want to win.

"For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" - St. Matthew 16:26

Personally I'm all in favor of exposing President Bush's failures, particularly economically and in foreign policy (his deception getting us into Iraq the failure of planning since then), but I'm not sure I'm willing to support every single effort to expose President Bush--some of them use faultier intelligence than that used to prove the United States had to invade Iraq.

And for more or less the same reason, come to think of it. The Bush administration decided to invade Iraq and then looked for information to support the decision they had already made. Some have made the decision that PResident Bush is the most evil man to have ever lived, and so tailor their evidence to that conclusion.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[BOSSHOG]

6. I appreciate that point of view

and I may have been wanting the ideal search. However, I see no need to tailor evidence about bush or his team. The facts about his past and present are enough for me to yearn that he not be a part of my future. We need not tailor a suit which fits so nicely on the man. Let the GOP continue their tailoring job and watch as the seams come unraveled throughout the year.

[bryant69]

7. Exactly.

I mean they've had to shove so many patchs on that suit that he's starting to look a bit like the patchwork man, and it's still unravelling.

[xchrom]

4. facist is as facist does

supressing speech, facts about american wounded in iraq, deception of the thousands of innocent lives lost, holding innocent people without legal representation, racist suppresion of votes in florida and the list goes on.

[librechik]

5. OH, did we strike a nerve? How about Daschle/Saddam pic?

I guess, once again, the Pukes can dish it out, but they can't take it.

[seventhson]

8. Good article on this subject

http://emperors-clothes.com/coverup/summary.htm

Excerpt:


In the following series of articles, I will show:

1) That starting before the end of World War II, the US Establishment sought out and protected thousands of the worst Nazis, deliberately re-creating the Nazi foreign war crimes apparatus on all levels; that this included some people like Reinhard Gehlen (a top Nazi involved in planning the murder of millions) and thousands of people like Klaus Barbie (a hands-on killer).

2) That this was done despite opposition, including from within US intelligence;

3) That this was done in clear violation of international law;

4) That the highly sophisticated US planners who ordered the reconstruction and absorption of the Nazi murder machine knew this would result in the Nazification of US intelligence including covert political operations;

5) That a section of the US-created Nazi apparatus later became West German intelligence (the BND);

6) That the US sent Nazi war criminals worldwide, thus Nazifying intelligence and security forces in the Arab world, Latin America and elsewhere.

[bobthedrummer]

17. More documentation

President Clinton pursued these Nazis agressively during his administration.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/holtzman.html

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/maloney.html

Nazis were clandestinely recruited and given identities and jobs as Americans working in national security.
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/OPpaperclip.htm

http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

[seventhson]

9. Another perspective - Simon Wiesenthal Center on Moveon ads

http://www.wiesenthal.com/social/press/pr_item.cfm?ItemID=8720

[seventhson]

10. and Drudge weighs in

http://drudgereport.com/flash2m.htm

[slackmaster]

11. Google James Montgomery Beck

n/t

[JHB]

12. I must find that FORTUNE profile of Mussolini and Facist Italy...

...from 1934 (at the time he had been in power for 10 years, while Hitler had only just seized power, so he was still the "elder statesman" of the facist principles, not the second-banana he would become within a few more years) and see if I can get some scans from the library.

It was a Special Issue. Practically sang peans to him.

[JHB]

13. Read up on the thankless career of George Seldes...

...even if you've never heard of him.

ESPECIALLY if you've never heard of him.

[oneighty]

19. George Seldes

Is this the same George Seldes of the book; "The Great Quotations"?

180

[JHB]

20. Yup,...

...and "Lords of the Press", InFact, "Witness to a Century", "You Can't Print That", interviewer of Hindenburg, Lenin, Mussolini, and many others.

[evil_orange_cat]

14. people did try to expose Hitler... they were "censored"

... forever... :(

[glitch]

16. Whiterose Society to name a very brave few

http://www.historyplace.com/pointsofview/white-rose1.htm

[wildwww2]

15. I have and always will. Until the New Nazi`s take over. And then I will

fight them to the death. Just like the resistance did in Europe. Call me a liar.
Peace Until that happens
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. Skull and Bones.....nazi's "Death's Head" or Totenkopf...symbolism?

The "Death’s Head" was the symbol of the SS-Totenkopfverbande (one of the original three branches of the SS, along with the Algemeine SS and the Waffen SS), whose purpose was to guard the concentration camps. Most of the original members of this organization were later transferred into and became the core of a Waffen SS division, the Death’s Head Division. The symbol is most often seen as a tattoo, which sometimes indicates that its wearer has murdered one of the movement’s enemies (e.g., a Jew or other minority).

[TankLV]

25. Actually, that did happen. A lot. And all of the elite were appalled -

that anyone sane could make such accusations.

They refused to believe the first escapees from Hitler's Germany.

They refused to believe the few who escaped from Warsaw's Ghetto.

They refused to believe when a whole shipload tried to seek refuge in New York and sent the ship back - to ALL the persons' eventual death in the death camps.

They refused to believe when urged to bomb the concentration camps from spys and resistance fighters who made it to England.

They refused to believe even AFTER Eisenhower & Patten finally reached and liberated the camps - that is why Eisenhower made every single soldier within reachable distance walk thru the camps to see for themselves - because he knew even then, when presented with evidence before their very eyes, they wouldn't believe.

The same is happening today.

All I want to ask those complaining about the ads:

Exactly where in the ads are they lying, inaccurate, wrong or taken?

There is not a single unfactual item in the ads mentioned. Not one.