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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:20 AM
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what does the "neo" in neocon mean?
I thought it meant new. As in neonazi. Brooks says in his column today that it means "Jewish"? His piece (which is bizarre, even for him) seems to be making the argument that 1. neocons don't exist (they don't communicate with each other and certainly not the President! Why, Perle hasn't talked to Bush since he took office!) 2. 99.44% of what is said about neocons and what neocons believe is a lie (but, I thought they didn't exist?) and finally 3. they whole neocons are scary movement is antisemite!

I never for one minute connected THOSE dots. Are Cheney and Rumsfeld Jewish?

But besides that, some of the biggest hawks are Jewish (now that you mention it) which does explain the war in Iraq. (Finally. An answer, or a part of the answer. No way do I think Bush did it to protect Israel. Could he be so dumb as to have bought the "it will be easy and you will be a hero? The new Ceaser? All the world will hail you. You will have brought everlasting world peace?")

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/06/opinion/06BROO.html

Now a serious question: Which testiment, old or new, talks about the end days being brought about by a big war in the middle east?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:25 AM
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1. Brooks is nuts, read Josh Marshall:
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:36 AM
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8. Thanks for the link to talking points
I thought I was losing my mind. Brooks is nuts. More importantly, it is scary that he has a voice in such a major paper. Hopefully he'll do a "Coulter" and get pulled. (I actually think todays article is a "Coulter" in the sense it is so over the top.)

GOP used to mean the Grand Old Party. Now it is the party of mean and money.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:24 PM
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13. To be quite honest, a paid Bushevik Propagandist
has to go a lot further than "tell a little joke" to get fired.

No, I think Brooks is as safe as Julius Streicher or Axis Sally in 1940 Germany, and for the exact same reasons.

Totalitarians, even "kinder and gentler one" don't maltreat their paid propagandists. Particularly if they have infiltrated the Formerly Free Press.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:26 AM
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2. same thing as the "neo" in "neo-liberal"
As in, "corporate first, con/lib second"
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artistaboard Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:26 AM
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3. neocon defined
My Oxford dictionary defines neocon:
"neoconservative, esp. in advocating democratic capitalism"
Where the heck does Brooks get "Jewish"? He's making it up for his own lame argument, pretty shabby journalism.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:04 PM
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14. by defining...
..."neo" to mean "Jewish" it allows the right-wing to slap down critics of neoconservatism as being anti-semites. Make no mistake, it's totally deliberate.
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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:27 AM
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4. Neo; adj
neo

adj : (used as a combining form) recent or new; "`neo' is a combining form in words like `neocolonialism'"

neo-
pref.
New; recent: Neolithic.

New and different: neoimpressionism.
New and abnormal: neoplasm.
New World: Neotropical.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:30 AM
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5. whiny, pompous, overrated
at least that's what it meant in The Matrix.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:30 AM
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6. jewish part
neo means new same as always. The neo-cons are radically pro-Israel, past Sharon even, if possible. The Christian fundie neocons follow because they've bought into some belief that when Israel is...something, Christ will return. It's all wonderful.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:32 AM
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7. Neo?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:41 AM
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9. neo = new (reagen/bush/gingrich).......i perfer the paleocons myself
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:17 PM
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11. Oh that's excellent!
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:41 AM
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10. "Godfather" of neoconservatism defines neoconservatism
I posted this in another thread but it seems appropriate to post it here too:

Irving Kristol defines neoconservatism in this Weekly Standard article from last August. It ends with this paragraph:

The older, traditional elements in the Republican party have difficulty coming to terms with this new reality in foreign affairs, just as they cannot reconcile economic conservatism with social and cultural conservatism. But by one of those accidents historians ponder, our current president and his administration turn out to be quite at home in this new political environment, although it is clear they did not anticipate this role any more than their party as a whole did. As a result, neoconservatism began enjoying a second life, at a time when its obituaries were still being published.

And then there's this tag:

Irving Kristol is author of "Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea."

Brooks should tell his boss that the idea he and his friends came up with is really nothing more than an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Brooks has really gone off the deep end with this one.

The Neoconservative Persuasion
From the August 25, 2003 issue: What it was, and what it is.
by Irving Kristol
08/25/2003, Volume 008, Issue 47

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp:dunce:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:22 PM
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12. Brooks is just another Bushevik Lying Liar
When confronted, undoubtedly he will resort to the "it was just a joke" defense used by Limbaugh and other professional propagandists.

But it most certainly was NOT a joke, it was a deliberate attempt to link the "Bush Haters" with anti-Semitism, thus pulling more Jews to the side of the Emperor who hates them and who's grandfather laundered Hitler's millions.

Ironic, isn't it?
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