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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:17 AM
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Moveon.org should...
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 05:20 AM by slor
have a press conference and use that time and coverage, which the hitler-bush ads controversy WILL almost certainly guarantee, plus the corresponding sizable media presence, to show the REAL facts of the BFEE and Nazi connection. The media is trying to turn this against the Democratic candidates, the facts might mitigate their ability to do so!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:02 AM
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1. moveon.org should tell the hypocrites to fuck off.
2 adds out of thousands campared Bush to Hitler.

Meanwhile, in the biggest right wing tabloid in the United States ran this article on their op ed page:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/4965.htm
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:10 AM
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3. The grand hypocrisy party strikes again
Not surprising at all
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OldSoldier Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 07:49 AM
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6. How the Patriot Act has curtailed my personal liberty
Whenever one of my forlorn leftie pals raises the issue, I ask him or her to cite a single example of how the Patriot Act has limited their personal liberty. They never can. Instead, they rail about what-ifs and slippery slopes.

I have stopped going to the library. I don't want Ashcroft's "justice" department to decide I'm a terrorist based on what I like to read. I buy books only with cash, which means I can't shop online--it's just a matter of time before they subpoena Amazon's customer database, which includes a record of each customer's purchases.

And I'm certain that eBay keeps the same kind of database, which means I won't shop there either, nor can I special-order books for the same reason.

I may have to break down and S/O one particular book I really need; no bookseller in his or her right mind would stock An Atlas of Freshwater and Marine Catfishes: A Preliminary Survey of the Siluriformes, which is an 800-page book on catfish that lists for eighty dollars. Then again, with my luck the village idiot would declare atlases to be terrorist tools and start rounding up those who had them, and surprise! There's old Jim, who bought an atlas called a "survey of the Siluriformes"--we have no idea where the Siluriformes are, but obviously he's planning a terrorist attack there. To Gitmo with him! And next thing you know I'm bent over an oil drum backwards, there's a guy beating on the bottoms of my feet with a canoe paddle, and another guy is threatening to pull my nuts out with a pair of pliers if I don't tell him where the Siluriformes are and why I want to commit an act of terrorism against them...and I'd be like "look, you stupid shit, Siluriformes are ugly-ass fish, and if you'd have even opened the book you'd know that. Now give me the rest of that box of Cohiba Esplendidos you've been smoking out of for the last five hours and take me back to North Carolina before I sue the lot of you for wrongful arrest."
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King_Crimson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:09 AM
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2. Right on...
There are those of us that have been SCREAMING for this to happen for a very long time...not only here at DU, but in other forums also. The soft underbelly of these bastards is FINALLY being exposed and like a shark who has caught the smell of blood, we Dems should attack this over and over and over and over again. EVERYTHING from Prescott Bush's dealing with the Nazi's...an act of TREASON by the way...and the Republican Party's attempt to do away with President Roosevelt, right up to old man Bush using the terminology of Hitler...i.e. "A New World Order"...in his state of the union speech in 1990.
I would just about wager that there are large oil paintings of Mussolini and Hitler in the homes of the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of these murderous bastards!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:41 AM
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4. Stand up for free speech and point out that everyone is entitled
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 06:44 AM by Skidmore
to an opinion and has the right to voice it. The Democratic Party should do the same thing! Sometimes I feel if there was another truly viable alternative these days, I'd cast my vote that direction. I would never vote R. Until the independents come up with someone who 1) is banging away on some untuned drum, or 2) isn't Nader, I'm starting to feel like sitting this one out. I'm so frustrated at this bunch of yahoos we call candidates standing in a circle and shooting each other in the foot. I'm equally sick of those who stand by and wring their hands instead of refusing to stand up to the bullying.

From 1976 to 1986, I lived in Iran. The rhetoric spewing out of the right and the social policies outlined by the Bush administration are not a whole lot different than the propaganda or the rationale for them espoused by Ayatollah Khomeini and his followers. His faction virtually destroyed their country. That we stand by and meekly let one faction control the government so as defined morality, patriotism, and what is acceptable thought gives me the willies. In Iran, the government began to legislate everything from the way you dressed to the who could work and who could be educated. All of this came to the Iranian citizenry complete with fixed elections. As a wife of an Iranian, I was in a category called foreign national and was eligible to vote in the referendum for form of government there. Not participating in that referendum would have contributed to much discussion in the community. The ballots were color coded--green for an Islamic republic and red for a no vote. No other option for form of government was offered as an alternative. After I placed my red ballot in the box at the polling place and was walking away with my now ex-husband, a revolutionary guard in fatigues carryng a machine gun ran up to me with my ballot in hand. He asked my husband if I knew I had voted incorrectly. I speak fluent Farsi, To his surprise, I addressed him myself, telling him that I had voted the way I intended to vote, requested that he place my ballot back in the box, and stood there until he did so. I'm sure it was removed later. I knew others who placed "No" votes in that election, but the no's were not reported. When we got home, my ex told me that if he had known how I was going to vote, he would have forbidden me to go to the polls at all since my dissenting vote had embarrassed his family in the community. My response to him was that Iran then had not truly won freedom for its people but had paid dearly for another form of tyranny by sacrificing the lives of its youth. Today, America is headed down the same path. The politicians in the Democratic party refuse to face what is being lost by continually capitulating to the agenda that those exercising raw power has wrested for themselves. You don't really appreciate freedom until you are forced to live without it.

There are many paths to truth, but only one to freedom. True freedom cannot exist in a climate of intolerance for other viewpoints. While I respect all people's right to practice their opinions, it is my belief that we cannot afford to be silent nor can we afford to endorse leaders who are not willing to speak hard truthes to power.



Sorry, I just had to get that out.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:40 AM
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13. On the contrary...
.... well said.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:53 AM
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5. the critics can kiss
moveon's ass -- after clinton the repukes have no ground to stand on here.
bush is rotten to the core and there aren't enough despicable characters to compare him to as far as i'm concerned.
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Soloflecks Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 08:13 AM
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7. I e-mailed my local CBS affiliate this morning.
The teaser was the ad; shocking and disgraceful; we'll show you how awful it is; blah, blah. I told them it certainly is shocking, especially since it is true. I suggested if they want a real shocker to report on Bush & company's subpoenas served yesterday and that maybe it was time to show respect for 911 victim's families by listening to their allegations. Then I e-mailed Dan Rather who spent at least 10 min on Martha Stewart and at least 5 or 10 on Diana's letter. Told him it was become very obvious that the news is controlled or we'd be hearing about the biggest story of 1/6. I was in a mood by then and told Rather to wake up and smell the fascism before it's too late. Gawd, I'm sick of this!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 08:45 AM
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8. I predict
That the press will drop this “story” like a hot potato.
I think they know it is a looser for them, only giving free press to MoveOn and making people ask the question “Could it be true?”
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 08:50 AM
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9. Yes, yes, yes !
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:22 AM
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10. The first person to compare Bush to Hitler was Turd Blossom Rove.
But Rove did it out of admiration rather than condemnation.

November 15, 2002 DRUDGE REPORT quoting from Bob Woodward's book:

ROVE THOUGHT POST-9/11 WORLD SERIES GAME LIKE NAZI RALLY

"The president emerged wearing a New York Fire Department windbreaker. He raised his arm and gave a thumbs-up to the crowd on the third base side of the field. Probably 15,000 fans threw their arms in the air imitating the motion.

He then threw a strike from the rubber, and the stadium erupted. Watching from owner George Steinbrenner’s box, Karl Rove thought, It’s like being at a Nazi rally."


http://www.drudgereport.com/wood.htm
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:32 AM
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11. wow..I didnt know rove said that....maybe we should send this to the
media to show the comparisons started right there in the white house.


Thank you Karl....for the ammunition.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:43 AM
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15. "What luck for the rulers that men do not think."
"What luck for the rulers that men do not think."

KKKarl or Adolf?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:38 AM
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12. This whole thing makes us look silly
The longer we drag it out and more we defend the comparison, the more it hurts us.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:42 AM
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14. I agree
I respect MoveOn.Org and I think they do great work, but I think the Democratic Party would be wise to put some distance between themselves and moveon.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:45 AM
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16. Here is the problem with Nazi comparisons...
You are telling anyone that voted for Bush or has a liking for Bush or once supported something Bush did that they are backing a Nazi. And they may take that as being told that they themselves are Nazis.

I don't think voters like the implication of being Nazis.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:54 AM
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17. RE:"I don't think voters like the implication of being Nazis."
A lot of people don't like it that Bush acts like a despot and they know that they screwed up in 2000, because they were more worried about blow jobs than snow jobs, but now the worry about no jobs! Bush said it himself, "Bring It On"!
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