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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:55 PM
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I don't mind the "war" between the DLC and the liberal wing of the party
It's a battle of ideas; I don't think it's unhealthy. Both sides agree Bush is vulnerable, and that's good common ground to start with. Let the primary process take its course. When the nominee is chosen, then it's time to come together.
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:58 PM
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1. Amen, amen, amen.
It doesn't matter who wins as long as Bush loses.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:00 PM
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2. Debate is one thing
circular firing squad is another. I'd like to see a little respect from Al From & his crew.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:03 PM
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3. if you expect respect, you have to be willing to reciprocate ...
and truthfully, I do not know that the lefties in the party are any more respectful to the DLC than the DLC is to them.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:09 PM
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5. It does cut both ways
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:22 PM
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7. Gee, and I thought that thirty years of working in the trenches,
Working get out the vote drives, well over $10,000 donated, involvement with local Dem chapters, voting for and supporting the Democratic nominee each and every election would fucking count as giving some respect. I guess I was wrong.

Fuck the DLC, and if the Democrats are foolish enough to nominate a DLC lackey to run, fuck the Democratic Party. I want a real candidate who is willing to meet me halfway on issues and ideas. I want a real candidate who will show some backbone and fight. I want a real candidate who isn't beholden to DLC and corporate masters. Apparently that candidate will be the Green one.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:29 PM
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8. No
It will be Howard Dean!
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:33 PM
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9. Do you favor any of the current Dems?
The only true DLC candidate I can see is Lieberman, and I'm almost certain he won't get the nomination.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:49 PM
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12. The only one I truly favor is Kucinich
I'm leery of Dean despite the grief the DLC gives him. He is very moderate on many issues. Kerry, Edwards and Gebhardt lost all of my respect with their war vote(esp. Gebhardt since he skipped the Headstart vote the other day). Lieberman should run as a moderate Republican, he's more of a fit there. Sharpton and Mosley-Braun I like but have not even a sliver of a chance.

I realize that Kucinich probably won't win the nod. If it is Dean, then I will have to do some soul searching. I don't agree with all he supports and he was in the DLC fold for an awfully long time before the DLC turned on him(the tin foil hat part of me says "Hey, he could be a stealth DLCer). Part of what I'll look at is how much the DLC twists the Democratic platform, that will be telling.

If it is Kerry, Gebhardt, Edwards, or Lieberman I will definitely be going Green. I put Sharpton and Mosley-Braun in the same category as Kucinich.

I'm realize that I come from a point of view that is way to liberal for most people. That is way I've always comprimised my votes between idealism and practicality. But the influence of corporate money in recent years(thank Clinton and the DLC for the soft money fiasco) has really gaulled me. We need to get money out of politics. That's the big reason I've become a proponent of the Greens. That and the fact that the DLC keeps insulting my intelligence.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:37 PM
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10. touche
PB, and I would have to agree. Sadly, (as one of the 'lefties') I have to agree.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:08 PM
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4. Believe it or not
Mr. From wants to get rid of Bush as much as we do. There are obviously major differences on Iraq, but the DLC's analysis of Bush's economic record is blistering. I know; I read it.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:21 PM
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6. DLC Sucks
I wrote that to get attention.

Read the Salon piece about the DLC's latest jihad against "the left." The DLC never won an election, Bill Clinton did. And as for the DLC's assessment of Bush's Iraq policy, where the hell is it in the newspapers? They're only trying to get press with their phony poll and their bashing of the left. I believe we all have to come together, but Al From and his nitwits are making it very difficult.

Oh, and by the way, has anyone here written Mr. From a thank-you note for the 2002 mid-term elections.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:45 PM
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11. Because there so many candidates running
and no obvious front-runner(someone with name recognition and a huge lead), I think that breeds these kinds of battles. I also think the media is hyping this "war" and not focusing on what all Dems agree on: Bush's record is pathetic, and he can be beaten in 2004. I'm not sure that was true even a month ago.
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:38 PM
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13. It's a "war" that needs to be fought
The party will not return to majority status until it presents a strong and coherent voice to the electorate. I don't believe there is anything wrong with "strategic moderation." But the DLC goes far beyond that. It is Republican-lite. The DLC must be defeated before we win back the country. The best way to do that in the coming primary is to see that Joe Lieberman is soundly thrashed.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:20 PM
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14. one problem I can see
The DLC used to be 'No. 1'.

Senior Democratic politicians used to beat a path to their door. In 'their time' they used to be the greatest.

In 'these times' they have not got a clue. They are a complete waste of space.

Does the DLC have the class to come to terms with their total redunancy ?

Possibly, but probably not.

If probably not then the chances are they are going to shoot the Democratic Party in the foot several times, basically out of pique because they are being ignored.

The chances are the DLC are an accident waiting to happen and the good percentage play is that they are 'taken care of' as soon as possible.



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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:39 PM
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15. It is a battle for ideas but also involves name-calling and derogation
of both sides. So in some ways it is constructive but is also destructive.
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