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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:57 PM
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Have Bush* and Cheney Committed Treason?
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 10:00 PM by Q
treason:

a crime that undermines the offender's government

disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior

an act of deliberate betrayal

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Published on Thursday, January 8, 2004 by the Guardian/UK

Carnegie Group Says Bush Made Wrong Claims on WMD

by Julian Borger in Washington
 
The Bush administration will today be accused of "systematically misrepresenting" the threat posed by "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction" in a comprehensive report on post-war findings.

The report, by four experts on weapons proliferation at the respected Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, is likely to re ignite calls for a commission to look into the government's pre-war intelligence claims.

According to the report, the absence of any imminent threat from Saddam Hussein's chemical or nuclear programs was "knowable" before the war. There was greater uncertainty over biological weapons but no evidence strong enough to justify war.

The authors say the intelligence reports of Iraq's capabilities grew more shrill in October 2002 with the publication of a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which included an unusual number of dissenting views by intelligence officials.

The intelligence community, the report says, began to be unduly influenced by policymakers' views "sometime in 2002". Repeated visits to the CIA by the US vice president, Dick Cheney, and demands by top officials to see unsubstantiated reports, created an atmosphere in which intelligence analysts were pressed to come to "more threatening" judgments of Iraq.

The report concludes that "administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq's WMD and ballistic missile programs".

Continues: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0108-03.htm
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:58 PM
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1. turn up the heat!
eom
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:28 PM
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:44 PM
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36. at the very least they failed to lead responsibly....
Several of them (the congress critters especially) deserve to have their fitness for public office reexamined, IMO. The "leadership" that actively carried water for the administration in Congress should stand beside them in the dock, and yes, that includes democrates like Joe Lieberman and Dick Gephardt. Nuremburg wasn't restricted to Hitler's immediate advisors....
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:59 AM
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54. Bush and his entire top level aides.
somebody should go to jail.
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:59 PM
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2. I say yes.
If it was good enoughfor the Rosenbergs it's good enough for the pretender-in-chief
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:00 PM
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3. Yes
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:02 PM
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4. well -- if our "leaders" can take a review of what has happened ..maybe
there is case
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:02 PM
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5. Absolutely.
It might take decades for the truth to come out, though.
But hey, we can wait, right?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:04 PM
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6. Yes it's treason........
But since Bu$h and his thugs are repukes,nothing will ever be done about it. Had this been a democrat,he would have been impeached and in prison by now. Repukes get by with anything they do that is immoral or criminal.Unless we get some dems in there with some spine,it will always be like this. Sad, but true.:(
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:05 PM
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7. damn right, and brokaw, rathers, jennings et al
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:08 PM
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8. Yes!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:09 PM
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9. It's also treason to give aid and comfort to the enemy...
- If the Saudis helped finance the 9-11 terrorists and Bush* is covering up that fact and obstrucing justice in the matter of 9-11...isn't that giving aid to the enemy?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:10 PM
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10. Until the international press, especially the Europeans
and Canadians, report on the treason day in and day out by this illigitimate group of robber barons, we will have an uphill battle. It will take the international community to aid us in bringing them down by not letting them bury the truth about them and what they do.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:13 PM
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11. yes, they should be tried, convicted and executed as traitors
there is no worse crime immaginable than having taken this nation to war on a pack of lies.

while history will not be kind to bush and cheney, the american people and the court that may try them someday should use the severest penalties for their crimes against this nation.

george bush is a traitor to america.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:16 PM
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12. Well...'executed' may be going a bit too far...
...but they should definitely be brought to trial and made accountable for their treasonous acts against the United States of America.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:24 PM
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14. such a sentence is on the books to use as seen fit. name a worse crime
many people have been executed at the federal level. what bush has done has caused more harm to more americans than any president in our history and his actions have led to more damage to this nation than any single person in US history.

benedict arnold is a piker compared to bush.

he is a criminal. plain and simple.

i do not call for unrestrained or illegal violence, but that allowed by the state when a person's crimes against it and its citizens rises to the level of complete corruption and evilness of purpose.

bush did it for greed and power, that's all and that is all one needs to know as to why he should be put to death if convicted of treason.

i share no mercy for tyrants, and bush would be a tyrant.
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eowyn Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:02 PM
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27. Bush and Cheney..
Put them in a spider hole!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:22 PM
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13. Let's put this in perspective...
- Republicans IMPEACHED a sitting president for consentual 'sex' in the White House. In other words...they impeached him for a moral 'crime' and lying about how and where he touched Monica.

- Bush* and Cheney intentionally lied and misled our nation into attacking another country that they KNEW posed no threat to US security. This is at the very least an impeachable offense.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:53 PM
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22. Issue about the Clinton moment
was whether lying about a private act constituted grounds for impeachment.

The Republicans decided that the RULE OF LAW was the guiding principle....a lie is a lie.

Therefore, as Wolfowitz and Perle have both admitted ON THE RECORD-

In addition, Bush has admitted ON THE RECORD that Saddam had no ties to 9-11. He only gets off from being a liar on that one because his speechwriters constantly juxtaposed Al-Q and Saddam, and constructed sentences in such a way to imply over and over that Saddam and Al-Q were terrorists.

However, Bush did lie to Congress and the American people while fulfilling a duty specified for him- the State of the Union address, which he included the uranium from Africa lie, when Tenet had told him to take it out in October of the year before.

Lying to Congress to get permission to wage a war...gee, that's seems like something a lot more devastating under the RULE OF LAW than lying about a personal matter.

In addition, Bush has been harboring someone in his administration who outed a CIA agent. This is incredible--

A SITTING PRESIDENT is protecting someone who violated national security secrets...whether that person did it willfully or not (and if not...so, incompentence and endangerment of national security is of no concern to this so-called president?

Now, if lying about a personal matter rises to the level of a high crime and misdemeanor charge, why on earth doesn't lying to Congress about war, or harboring someone who leaked govt secrets and endangered or maybe even cost lives and compromised the hunt for WMD???

That Congress does not even care to address this issue, to me, shows that the assholes who cry "Patriotism" at every turn denigrate the term and dishonor every person who has ever fought to protect the people of this nation.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:56 PM
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23. And Cheney...
if Cheney is found to have attempted to bribe people in the French govt, that seems to also be grounds for impeachment.

Treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors.

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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:59 PM
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24. If a 'lie is a lie is a lie'...
...and if no 'president is above the law'...why isn't this congress holding an impeachment inquiry right now?

- The answer is that Bush* and Cheney are not alone in perpetuating and covering up these lies. But the 'buck' stops with them.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:04 PM
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28. here's the answer

from a pbs impeachment program:

According to Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States, "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

Debate over the meaning of this phrase has existed since the framing of the Constitution. Ultimately, Congress decides what constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors". In 1970, Rep. Gerald Ford, R-Michigan, succinctly summarized this point when he stated: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

...and this is why I say the Republicans are morally reprehensible, and can make no moral claim for any action when they cannot put the good of this nation before their own selfish interests.

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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:07 PM
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29. I wonder if Ford would have said that if it was a Republican..
...being impeached?

- As I said before...this isn't lies about a blowjob. It's about DELIBERATE lies that caused the death of thousands and undermined the Constitution and rule of law.
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rukidn Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:26 PM
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15. I'm no Bush fan, but ...
... Saddam most likely moved WMD to Syria prior to war. Pres. Clinton even said Iraqis had WMD and he did something about it too. Thankfully, he didn't make Iraq the 51st state like Bush has but he did launch attacks when necessary.

I just want our guys to home. I'm tired of reading of Americans getting killed over there.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:30 PM
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16. You're missing the point by a wide margin...
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 10:34 PM by Q
- It's not a matter of if or when WMD are found. The simple fact is they drove this nation to war despite the objections of the intelligence community, fabricated 'evidence' and used information they knew to be false or unproven.

- This has nothing to do with Clinton or what 'anyone else said'. Bush* and Cheney knowingly lied and caused the unnecessary death of thousands of innocents. By definition...this is treason.
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rukidn Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:35 PM
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18. I see your point.
Maybe I'm too trusting of elected officials.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:39 PM
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19. Okay...but it's not a matter of 'trust'....
- It's a matter of fact, duty and responsibility. War should ALWAYS be a last resort. But evidence shows that Bush* and Cheney made war the ONLY option.
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rukidn Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:46 PM
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20. I agree. I'm new here ...
... I consider myself a thoughtful Dem voter who is learning more and more everyday regarding the repukes and their policies.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:49 PM
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21. Welcome...
- We're looking for the truth...and accountability. There can be no worse crime than putting American Soldiers unnecessarily in harm's way. This crime was compounded by the avoidable deaths of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:21 AM
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52. Yes
Also, I never understood the " moved the weapons to Syria " idea. If I thought you were coming to my house to shoot me, there's no way I'd move my guns to my neighbor's house. It makes no sense to me.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:28 AM
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57. "Moved the weapons to Syria' is a myth created by the Bush* empire...
...to distract from the findings of current investigators that Saddam didn't even have a WEAPONS PROGRAM worth spit.

- But we shouldn't blame those Americans who believe this...the blame should go to those who have used this lie to avoid accountability.

- This includes the American media...who knew or should have known that they were reporting WH lies without question or independent verification.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:00 PM
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25. The Bushies said Saddam had TONS of WMD
and we have satellites roaming the world, and all sorts of other devices to monitor movements of something as major as TONS of WMD.

not to say the weapons didn't go somewhere else, but don't you think that all that money the military spends on technology would be able to spot such a massive transfer?

(not to mention sources of information on the ground in Iraq.)
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:48 PM
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37. K-11 satellites were powerful enough to read license plates...
from a few hundred miles up. There are more powerful satellites roaming the skies today. It is frightening to think what these people are looking for. When this whole mess calms down, I wonder if they train those 'eyes in the sky' on us, just to make sure we're not speeding or selling tobacco on Indian Reservations at low prices.

These people have anything BUT the security of the nation in their minds.

O8)
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:33 PM
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17. This little pre-war thingy is proving to be like a past due bill
It just won't go away until you pay the price.

I think retribution is coming for the republican party, the energy industry, the christian coalition, and pharmeceutical corporations. I can sense the karma in the air. When one domino falls it was start a chain reaction.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:00 PM
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26. Remains to be seen.....
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:10 PM
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30. Let's ask Ann Coulter. She seems to be the expert on treason.
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 11:10 PM by Cat Atomic
I can only assume that selling California's economy to your energy industry buddies could be considered treason. Lying the country into a fraudulaent war and getting (at least) 500 American soldiers killed surely must be worthy of the same charge.

I admit it's no blowjob, but still.
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shoopnyc123 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:11 PM
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31. Yo, has anyone noticed Ann's been in hiding? eom
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:50 PM
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38. Naw, she's recovering from her latest bout of
stomach "flu". Once they pump her up with some saline solution, she'll be fine. God forbid that she eat something.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:21 PM
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32. Yes, both Bush and Cheney has committed Treason.
But no sex was involved so they'll get away with it. Stupid republicans will continue to vote for that bastard.
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SteveG Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:22 PM
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33. I wish....
Article III Section 3--1 Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Under the U.S. Constitution, treason is very narrowly defined. Any lawyers out there think a case can be made?
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:05 AM
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40. See post #9
...
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:33 PM
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35. No doubt whatever
They should be tried, convicted and imprisoned along with all who aided and abetted their treasonous acts, including the mediawhores who have promoted the deceptions.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:00 AM
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39. The Bush Criminal Empire has been committing treason since the 1930's
Prescott financed Hitler and those bastards have been aiding and abetting (and in many cases, creating) the enemies of America ever since :grr:
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:16 AM
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41. This report was discussed by a panel of experts from the Carnegie...
...foundations on CSPAN today. Watch for the replay. They step by step take apart Bush* and Cheney's lies about Iraq and WMD.

- First we have the Republican chair of the 9-11 commission saying that 9-11 could and should have been prevented. Now we have the respected Carnegie experts saying Bush* and Cheney 'systematically misrepresented the threat' from Iraq's WMD.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:17 AM
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42. these folks are on C-span now
Carnegie endowment, presenting their findings, a repeat from earlier today.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:21 AM
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44. Joseph Cirincione (Carnegie) is saying that Bush* and Cheney stated...
...certain things as 'fact' that they knew were speculation at best.

- In other words...they were lying and they knew they were lying.

- Treason? If not...it's certainly a 'high crime' punishable by impeachment.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:39 AM
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50. I saw him on CNN yesterday....
He was fantastic inspite of the idiot bill hemmer interviewing him. He ended it with suggesting there be an indpendent investigation into what the WH did! I think it would tie in nicely with the Plame investigation. Hoo boy, one can only hope.
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Draven Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:19 AM
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43. Indeed they have.
They should be shipped down to Gitmo Bay post haste!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:12 AM
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45. America in the age of apathy and denial...
- I find it strange that the Democratic party...and many Americans...have given Bush* a free ride when it comes to his self-serving lies. It seems that he is indeed above the law.
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:37 AM
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46. Yes, Their Lies and Co-conspirator's Lies Killed Americans
That's is the very definition of conspiracy. They and the Office of Special Plans conspired to mislead the American people for the sole purpose of putting Americans in harms way for political and personal gain.

They then conspired to cover up the lies and conspiracy. They continue to this day to lie and cover up the conspiracy. It is therefore a pattern of deceit with the intent to mislead the American people, the very people Bush* swore under oath to protect.

There could not be a more clear cut case of treason. Mountains of evidence have already proved it. Proven false intelligence, no WMD, no Iraq-Osama connections, recorded statements by all Bush*admin officials lying about chemical and biological weapons, and even self admissions that intelligence was wrong.

Nothing is being done about it. We no longer have a govt accountable to the people, even further evidence of treason.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:40 AM
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47. I think that they have
The press ignores the fact that they have committed a crime. If it were Clinton he would have been in prison by now.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:10 AM
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48. Howsabout trying them for MURDER first?
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 05:29 AM by LunaC

I'm from the MIHOP camp.

Put the bastards away for the murders known as 911 and nail them for treason later.



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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:37 AM
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49. hell yes.
let em fry!
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Snappy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 06:03 AM
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51. Most here agree.
It is quite something that Kerry, Lieberman, and Edwards Pelosi and many others admit that they were duped. Aren't they suppossed to know this stuff? Also, most let the Patriot Act right through,probably didn't even read it. Now Patriot Act 2 has been sneakily signed by Dubya. I'm waiting for PA 3. Can you imagine what that will be?


Democrats have no courage to stand up for the American people?

I have been doing extensive reading on the relationship of the Bush family with the bin Laden family. These two families are quite chummy.What was blocked out of the report about the Saudis?
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:15 AM
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56. What got Nixon in trouble was his attempts to cover his trail...
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 10:18 AM by Q
...of political corruption and criminal activity. What we see with the Bush* admin. is a pattern of covering up similar things...from election fraud to pre-knowledge of 9-11 to a longtime relationship between the Bush* / Saudi / bin Laden families.

- And we can't forget that Bush* refused to release the '28' pages of the 9-11 report dealing with Saudi financing of terrorism.

- I remember watching part of that 9-11 hearing...where representatives were asking the Bush* White House for the names of Saudis suspected of fiancing terrorism. The Bush* spokesman said they could have the names...but that he had simply forgotten them and would provide them in the morning. Before that could happen...Bush* classified those names and kept them from investigators.

- There is a clear pattern of obstruction and coverup coming from the Bush* WH. To prove to the people that the Bushies are indeed not above the law: hearings must be held and investigations pursued.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:35 AM
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53. in a word YES!
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:07 AM
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55. No, they're guilty of much worse than treason
It's that they're traitors posing as patriots which makes them a clear and present danger, in my opinion.

Let's face it: we're up against traitors posing as patriots who accuse us patriots of being unpatriotic because we won't blindly follow the traitors.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:40 AM
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58. You need to ask? They lied to get us into two wars and they are looting
the treasury for private gain.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:40 AM
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59. List of Bush*/Cheney lies about Iraqi WMD:
How the United States should react if Iraq acquired WMD. "The first line of defense...should be a clear and classical statement of deterrence—if they do acquire WMD, their weapons will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration." Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
January/February 2000 issue of Foreign Affairs
2/1/2000

We are greatly concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction...In the case of Saddam Hussein, we've got a dictator who is clearly pursuing and already possesses some of these weapons.. A regime that hates America and everything we stand for must never be permitted to threaten America with weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney, Vice President
Detroit, Fund-Raiser
6/20/2002

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney, Vice President
Speech to VFW National Convention
8/26/2002

There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
9/6/2002

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
CNN Late Edition
9/8/2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. George W. Bush, President
Speech to UN General Assembly
9/12/2002

Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
10/5/2002

The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas. George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons. George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon. George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or to individual terrorists,...The war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney, Vice President
Denver, Address To Air National Guard
12/1/2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
12/2/2002

The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
12/4/2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
1/9/2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more. Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
2/5/2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have. George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
2/8/2003

In Iraq, a dictator is building and hiding weapons that could enable him to dominate the Middle East and intimidate the civilized world -- and we will not allow it. George W. Bush, President
Speech to the American Enterprise Institute
2/26/2003

If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct. Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Interview with Radio France International
2/28/2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not. Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
3/7/2003

Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that based on intelligence, that has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. Dick Cheney, Vice President
Meet The Press
3/16/2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. George W. Bush, President
Address to the Nation
3/17/2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
3/21/2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them. General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Press Conference
3/22/2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites. Victoria Clark, Pentagon Spokeswoman
Press Briefing
3/22/2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction. Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board member
Washington Post, p. A27
3/23/2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
ABC Interview
3/30/2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty. Robert Kagan, Neocon scholar
Washington Post op-ed
4/9/2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

Were not going to find anything until we find people who tell us where the things are. And we have that very high on our priority list, to find the people who know. And when we do, then well learn precisely where things were and what was done. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Meet the Press
4/13/2003

I have absolute confidence that there are weapons of mass destruction inside this country. Whether we will turn out, at the end of the day, to find them in one of the 2,000 or 3,000 sites we already know about or whether contact with one of these officials who we may come in contact with will tell us, ``Oh, well, there's actually another site,'' and we'll find it there, I'm not sure. General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Fox New
4/13/2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them. George W. Bush, President
NBC Interview
4/24/2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
4/25/2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so. George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/3/2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now. Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to Reporters
5/4/2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Fox News Interview
5/4/2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program. George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/6/2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction. Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
Reuters Interview
5/12/2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden. Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
5/13/2003

We said all along that we will never get to the bottom of the Iraqi WMD program simply by going and searching specific sites, that you’d have to be able to get people who know about the programs to talk to you. Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Interview with Australian Broadcasting
5/13/2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found. Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
5/21/2003

It's going to take time to find them, but we know he had them. And whether he destroyed them, moved them or hid them, we're going to find out the truth. One thing is for certain: Saddam Hussein no longer threatens America with weapons of mass destruction. George W. Bush, President
Speech at a weapons factory in Ohio
5/25/2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction. Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
5/26/2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations
5/27/2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on. Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Vanity Fair interview
5/28/2003

The President is indeed satisfied with the intelligence that he received. And I think that's borne out by the fact that, just as Secretary Powell described at the United Nations, we have found the bio trucks that can be used only for the purpose of producing biological weapons. That's proof-perfect that the intelligence in that regard was right on target. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
5/29/2003

We have teams of people that are out looking. They've investigated a number of sites. And within the last week or two, they have in fact captured and have in custody two of the mobile trailers that Secretary Powell talked about at the United Nations as being biological weapons laboratories. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Infinity Radio Interview
5/30/2003

But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. George W. Bush, President
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on And we'll find more weapons as time goes on George W. Bush, President
Press Briefing
5/30/2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there. Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
5/30/2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there. Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
5/30/2003

Q: The fact that there hasn’t been substantial cache of weapons of mass destruction -- is that an embarrassment? Wolfowitz: No. Is it an embarrassment to people on the other side that we’ve discovered these biological production vans, which the defector told us about? Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
CNN Interview
5/31/2003

This wasn’t material I was making up, it came from the intelligence community Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Press Briefing
6/2/2003

We know that some of them, especially the biological weapons, were being destroyed," Hastert said, adding that it would "take a little while to find weapons of mass destruction... and we're going to continue to do it. Dennis Hastert, House Speaker R-IL
Press Briefing
6/4/2003

We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents. This is the man who spent decades hiding tools of mass murder. He knew the inspectors were looking for them. You know better than me he's got a big country in which to hide them. We're on the look. We'll reveal the truth George W. Bush, President
CAMP SAYLIYA, Qatar
6/5/2003

I would put before you Exhibit A, the mobile biological labs that we have found. People are saying, "Well, are they truly mobile biological labs?" Yes, they are. And the DCI, George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, stands behind that assessment. Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Fox News Interview
6/8/2003

No one ever said that we knew precisely where all of these agents were, where they were stored Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
Meet the Press
6/8/2003

What the president has said is because it's been the long-standing view of numerous people, not only in this country, not only in this administration, but around the world, including at the United Nations, who came to those conclusions...And the president is not going to engage in the rewriting of history that others may be trying to engage in. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
6/9/2003

Iraq had a weapons program...Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out they did have a weapons program. George W. Bush, President
Comment to Reporters
6/9/2003

"It doesn't appear there are any more targets at this time," said Lt. whose team has been cut by more than 30 percent. "We're hanging around with no missions in the foreseeable future." ome." Keith Harrington, Lt. Colonel
Iraq
6/9/2003

The biological weapons labs that we believe strongly are biological weapons labs, we didn't find any biological weapons with those labs. But should that give us any comfort? Not at all. Those were labs that could produce biological weapons whenever Saddam Hussein might have wanted to have a biological weapons inventory. Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Associated Press Interview
6/12/2003

A British scientist and biological weapons expert, who has examined the trailers in Iraq, told The Observer last week: "They are not mobile germ warfare laboratories. You could not use them for making biological weapons. They do not even look like them. They are exactly what the Iraqis said they were -- facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons." Unnamed British Weapons Inspector
The Observer
6/15/2003

My personal view is that their intelligence has been, I'm sure, imperfect, but good. In other words, I think the intelligence was correct in general, and that you always will find out precisely what it was once you get on the ground and have a chance to talk to people and explore it, and I think that will happen. Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
6/18/2003

I have reason, every reason, to believe that the intelligence that we were operating off was correct and that we will, in fact, find weapons or evidence of weapons, programs, that are conclusive. But that's just a matter of time...It's now less than eight weeks since the end of major combat in Iraq and I believe that patience will prove to be a virtue Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Pentagon media briefing.
6/24/2003


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WMD Quotes Before & After The Invasion

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
December 2, 2002

The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.
Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
May 30, 2003

"This nation acted to a threat from the dictator of Iraq. Now there are some who would like to rewrite history; revisionist historians is what I like to call them" - George W. Bush
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:56 AM
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60. This quote exposes the lie:
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz - May 28, 2003
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:19 AM
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61. Of course they did and the most damning evidence is them establishing
their own intelligence agency. It was obvious they were not going to get the real intelligence community to tell the American people the lies the Administration wanted told so they formed their own special intelligence agency and got the "proven" lies they desired. Then they used the lies knowing full well that they came from a source that wasn't recognized by the "real" intelligence community.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:21 AM
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62. Ah, yes...the 'office of special plans'?
- They 'cherry-picked' the intelligence that fit their pre-planned invasion and occupation of Iraq....and completely disregarded the mountains of evidence that suggested that most or all of Saddam's WMD had been destroyed or otherwise neutralized.

- These are lies and deceptions on a grand scale.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:25 AM
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63. Yes.
n/t

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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:00 PM
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64. Could this be one of the reasons we're having a difficult time...
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 12:01 PM by Q
...in prosecuting these crooks?

"I would not be prepared to accept that any president, this president or any president, would deliberately mislead the American people on something as important as this." - Tom Daschle
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