Why do Freepers think the left adores Bill Clinton?

[Avonrepus]

Seriously the guy is at best centre right in his political beliefs, he didn't follow any kind of socialist beliefs and the most radically "left" action he took was surely his attempt to pass the Medicare reforms, which in the UK would be endorsed by the Conservative leader Michael Howard.

Why do I ponder this you may ask? Well I was browsing Rightnation and found a response to a terrible COulter article and some moronic poster summed up this ridiculous notion so many of them seem to hold by saying:


"Its the TRUTH that the left doesn't want getting out......HOW DARE SHE say something that is true!

That is why they hate her, Rush, Hannity, and anyone else on the right who tells the truth.

The left ADORES Bill Clinton, he can lie really well and trick millions! To the left, THAT is impressive! "

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. I'll let you in on a little secret

THEY think he's the god of all liberals. They've so brainwashed their own people into believing that him and Hillary are so left wing that he would turn us communist if he got the chance. Let's face it - the GOP brainwashing starts somewhere, and it's with their own followers.

On edit: Welcome to DU!! We're glad to have you on board!! :toast: :yourock: :grouphug:

[ikojo]

2. The question that needs to be asked is why do freepers

think Bill Clinton (and Hillary) are left wingers? I know left wingers and Bill and Hillary are NOT left wingers. VERY conservative (yellow dog?) Democrats but they are not left wing.

The range of debate has become so narrow that being to the left of Richard Nixon but to the right of FDR is seen as left wing in the US.

The Greens are left wing but the Democratic party definitely is not and does not represent the left in this country.

[Avonrepus]

3. Tony Blair

Blair would be considered to the left of Clinton, he copied his "third way" on Clinton's election campaign but adopted traditional Labour values such as minimum wage and no more privatisation. However BLiar would absolutely not represent the values of either the majority of his party let alone the majority of the left of the country, he's supported by Murdoch FFS!

[LastKnight]

12. Blair is the lapdog of the US president...

whoever that president is, or whatever that president's beliefs. he claimed to be left of clinton, but if hes so far left why is he sucking up hard to bush?

i think blair is just as bad as bush is.

-LK

[DAGDA56]

4. Ít's typical Freeper, simplified black & white thinking...

...they undoubtedly think all of us at DU are lined up 100% behind John Kerry, while even the most casual lurker can see that we represent and express a wide variety of opinions of the man.

[Skittles]

5. why are freepers still obsessed with Bill Clinton?

and they tell US to "get over it" ?????

[wickerwoman]

6. Because they think politics is a high school pep rally.

They cheer their "side" right or wrong and they assume that the left does the same.

Lacking critical thinking skills themselves, they project their own "thought" processes onto their opponents.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[Syncronaut Seven]

10. Yes

The very telling line:

"Bill Clinton, he can lie really well and trick millions!"

Little proof of this assertion, but it MUST be so! Otherwise how would he have enjoyed such a consistantly high approval rating.

I remember those days well, I had a job.

Assholes.

[justgamma]

7. Wrong logic

"The left ADORES Bill Clinton, he can lie really well and trick millions! To the left, THAT is impressive!"

Shrub beats Bill and I'm not impressed.

[Deja Q]

8. Clinton was a repuke enabler, the big example being Election 2000. He's a

centrist at best.

He balanced the budget, which was easily the best thing he did.

Unfortunately, I can think of 7 things off the top of my head that make me dislike him greatly:

* NAFTA
* DOMA
* DMCA
* 1995 welfare reform (didn't stop corporate welfare for the billionare corporations who don't need a cent)
* 1996 telecom act
* The firing of Jocelyn Elders, the only Surgeon General in recent history I can remember doing anything about ANYTHING to INFORM and EDUCATE the people. And Clinton did it (as with lots of other things) because Rush and all the other repukes threw a tantrum. x( x( x(
* Monica. (I could care less about him having sex, that's his personal life and none of our business. And I'm angry that the repukes are supporting * and his lies, which are of far greater consequence than Clinton's sex life, but Clinton still lied at the time, as a result of which, caused a lot of people to vote for Bush*, so everybody should shut up about Nader already. Nader's a mosquito, nothing more. Then or now...)

I can see why Dave Chappelle ignores politics and focuses in on the Presidents' personalities. In that aspect, I ADORE Mr. Clinton. In terms of politics, I have some respect for Clinton, but he was still - at best - a centrist who happily helped the repukes in the name of "bipartisanship". Rememeber: Bipartisanship: A condition where Republicans and Democrats work hand in hand on an issue, primarily by the Democrats bending over backwards to give the republicans total control because republicans are known to NEVER compromise.

[Tripper11]

9. Simplified....

shouldn't the question be..."Do freepers think?"

[hel]

11. I'm not American and I adore Bill Clinton.

I didn't really know much about him back then, or what his politics were when he was president. But now, I keep comparing him to your current president, and even just his sincerity is enough to adore the guy. Although Anti-Americanism is never dead in this part of the world (ME) for some; but when he was president, almost nobody hated USA like they do now. He came to Turkey with Hillary and Chelsea, and was greeted with cheers and nice signs. We will see what kind of welcome Bush will get when he comes for the NATO summit in June...

On a different note, I really like Hillary Clinton, too. There is something very "international" about her, if it makes any sense to you...

[Wapsie B]

13. This feeling goes back

to the rwingers urinating non-stop on the word Liberal, as if being Liberal is a bad thing. The right has labeled anyone to the left of the John Birch Society as being communist. So it stands to reason that Slick Willie and Hitlery would be labeled as evil leftists.

[Philostopher]

14. I don't know. I do know that ...

I love to string them along for a while, nodding sagely, contributing the occasional remark, and then, when they think they've got me, say, "well, you know -- I really didn't think much of Clinton sometimes, either. I voted for him, but ultimately he wasn't liberal enough for me," and then walk away. They can't think of anything vicious enough to call me, but it wouldn't be polite to watch the veins in their foreheads throb over that one, so I don't.

[Avonrepus]

15. Not only did they turn liberal into a hate word

I see a lot of them claim it was the so-called socialists, greens, minorities, free-thinking women that HIJACKED that word and that real Liberals are more like they are, i.e. Classical "laissez-faire" liberals to their neo-liberal outlook.

Of course this is rubbish as a. they turned liberalism into a hate word synonymous with anti-Americanism, and b. Liberalism as a political ideology is divided into two distinct areas, 'classical' and 'progressive', the latter being what most people on the left are and the former being the original form of the hideous ideology forced upon people from the early 80s by Thatcher and Reagan and their handlers.

At least thats what I have been taught.

[AlCzervik]

16. Freepers come in one form

They see everything in black and white. They are lockstep. They cannot believe that in a politcal party there could actually be differing opinions. Thats that, plaine and simple.

[Parrcrow]

17. its the blinkered view of the narrow minded

who are incapable of even conceiving of any nuance in policy discussion or political debate. Its black and white. Its their concepton of morality as a spectator sport.

[Taverner]

18. Same reason some of us here think all Con's love Dubya

Whereas some real conservatives I know can't stand him...

One yesterday was complaining that "Well Bill Clinton was TAX and SPEND, whereas Dubya is just SPEND and SPEND"

[Bombtrack]

19. The much, much better Q is why they say we adore HILLARY

I'm so freaking sick of hearing that. Yeah there's a contingent of people who like her but just as many of us would be happy if she get the hell out the spotlight because she hogs the attention from people I think could more favorably represent us in all wings of the party. Feingold, Harold Ford, Mary Landrieu, or Hell Chuck Schumer. He's my favorite New York politician.