Got banned on a Christian forum for posting this...

[truizm]

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Surreal. And very sad. The majority of the other posts from other posters included rationalizing the prision torture (one equated it with porn, it was really odd), praising the war, demonizing homoseuals, demonizing liberals, equating Bush with God (Umm blasphemy), and love of imperialism.

Almost all Christians I speak with these days are war-mongering imperialist repugnant Republikkkan brownshirt Bush supporters. It's sad.

[radwriter0555]

1. yeah I got the same reaction in sunday school when I asked those types of

questions.

defies logic.

[trumad]

2. I take great pleasure in knowing that they will burn in hell

the hell they tried so hard to keep out of. Idiots.

[terrya]

3. What???!!! You quoted passages from the BIBLE????

Well, hell no wonder you got banned.

[shaolinmonkey]

10. Well, Christianity isn't really about the words of Christ...

oh, wait...yes it is. It is simply amazing how vengeful and willing to judge some "Christians" are. Or any religious practitioners for that matter. Truly sad.

[Beware the Beast Man]

4. It's very upsetting

Trying to remain faithful when some folks try to justify war, torture, lying, and social injustice through the teachings of Christ. It's equally as difficult when non-believers trash your faith as well. It feels as if sometimes I have nowhere to turn. Thanks folr the post.

[Tyler Durden]

5. Typical Neocon/rePuke reaction.

Remember that most Neocon/Repukes when presented with portions of the Bill of Rights (other than the 2nd amendment) usually ask if some Commie like Marx or Lenin wrote it.

[supernova]

6. Conservatives miss the irony

in their approach to religion.

[johnnie]

7. I just posted something like this here

I had a conversation with a friend who comes from a very "religious" family. I mentioned the "turn the other cheek" reference. She said "That's a lot of cheeks we would have to turn". She was raised Southern baptist, fire and brimstone type religion. She thinks God said we should have killed all those people in the middle east back when God said to do it.
I was raised a Christian, but I changed my spirituality quite a while ago because of this type of hypocrisy.

[bkcc]

8. it amazes me

The capacity of the conservative mind to spin the Bible until it reflects the message that they want it to is truly astounding.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. And bkcc makes line #11

See my ever-growing (ooooo mama) sig!

Edit: 11, not 12.

[bkcc]

21. wha?? line 11?--never mind. i got it!

thanks!
:)

[FreakinDJ]

9. The Bible also warns us of False Prophets

It is getting pretty scary when you but it in the text with this thread

[benburch]

11. Matthew, right?

If I recall correctly. (Ex-Catholic here...)

[FreakinDJ]

16. Not sure which book I am in the same boat you are

but I seem to remember it was in several books of the bible. Matthue, Luke, and Revelations

[Misunderestimator]

25. Yes, Matthew:

Matthew 7:15-23

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

[benburch]

40. YAY!

Not bad for having read it last 25 years ago!

[carols]

12. You got banned on a Christian forum for posting the Bible???

Holy cow - they are sicker than I thought - they want to re-create the Constitution in their own image. Now it looks like they want to do the same thing with the Bible. That is just so incredibly sad..."Father forgive them for they know not what they do" seems pretty appropriate right now...
Carol

[LDS Jock]

14. I have a hard time telling the difference

between Christians these days and the fundamentalist Muslims they oppose. Both want to oppress anyone with opposing viewpoints. Both can accept only their interpretation of God's word as valid and must be the basis for any and all laws in the land. Both seem to want to use scripture and force to keep down homosexuals or anyone else not fitting into their approved vision of God's will. What is the difference?

[Rowdyboy]

15. How bizarre....I can assure you that most

Episcopalians don't share those right wing beliefs. I spent much of the day with fellow church members yesterday and, when the subject turned to the war, everyone I spoke to was against Bush and his folly.

Maybe you're just hanging with fundies, not real Christians.

[FreakinDJ]

18. Interesting....Fundies = Not real Christians

from reading the original post to this thread that was my feelings as well. I was pretty shocked to think that this was Christian teachings

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. Sadly, it's the fundies who make all the noise

Just like with Islam.

[Rowdyboy]

23. Absolutely....The more liberal Christians go out of our way

not to be pushy. I don't want to shove my beliefs down your throat, therefore I don't proselytise. Since I'm not in your face about my faith, when you hear the term "Christian" you think of the asshole who ARE in your face.

I HATE the fact that these jerks have hijacked the word "Christian" and made it ugly.

[AspenRose]

28. "Preach the gospel....

if necessary, use words."

St. Francis of Assisi said that I believe.

People "hear" your actions a LOT more than they "hear" your words.

"By their fruits you shall know them." Matthew 7

[papau]

27. I agree - n/t

n/t

[Beware the Beast Man]

17. The thing thats troubling

is that it's not just so-called "fundies," it's everywhere. I used to think, as a Catholic, that I had some sort of safe haven from all this right-wing rhetoric...maybe not a safe haven , but a little less extreme anyway. I'm beginning to find out that's not necessarily the case. I'm not about to give up on my faith, however. It's just so tough these days.

[Pab Sungenis]

33. Faith and Church are two different entities.

Some Christians don't remember that Jesus preached against organized religion and the practice of going to Church.

Matthew 6:1-8

6:1 "Be careful that you don't do your charitable giving before men, to be seen by them, or else you have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
6:2 Therefore when you do merciful deeds, don't sound a trumpet before yourself, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may get glory from men. Most assuredly I tell you, they have received their reward.
6:3 But when you do merciful deeds, don't let your left hand know what your right hand does,
6:4 so that your merciful deeds may be in secret, then your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
6:5 "When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most assuredly, I tell you, they have received their reward.
6:6 But you, when you pray, enter into your inner chamber, and having shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.=
6:7 In praying, don't use vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Therefore don't be like them, for your Father knows what things you need, before you ask him.

Jesus told us that religion and faith should be a one-on-one relationship with God, and what he says goes!

[JPJones]

20. You changed Pharisee to publican, didn't you? nt

[Guy_Montag]

22. Any sort of fundis scare me,

Christian, Muslim, Jew or Commie, Fascist, Nationalist

These people don't think, you can't argue with someone who knows they are right.

How often have you heard "I don't need proof, I have faith" - it makes me shiver everytime I hear it.

[Beer Snob-50]

36. HMMMMMM....

How often have you heard "I don't need proof, I have faith" - it makes me shiver everytime I hear it.

I think the term faith and religion go hand in hand.

[Az]

37. It is a very real if misunderstood description of the mental process

Logic and reason are not the primary means the mind comes to believe things. They are actually learned tools that we enable us to resolve issues we have doubt about. If there is no doubt then there is no reason to invoke these tools.

[Rabrrrrrr]

24. Maybe if you hadn't added that last line...

but probably even wihtout it, they would have banned you for having the audacity to quote Jesus and bring the New testament into the discussion.

[trogdor]

26. The word "publican" isn't used much in the USA.

In Britain, it means someone who operates a public house, or "pub". Not exactly someone of high social standing.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

31. Yes, it was only a couple of years ago that I learned that "publican"

is a British term meaning, basically, "bar owner."

[DU_widow]

29. you should've asked them if jesus was the prince of war or the

prince of peace,.

[truizm]

41. I would've been banned for that too...

Fundies normally rationalize war by saying there was war in the OT so that automatically makes any war the US initates a just cause.

I just think it's pretty sad that someone can be banned for quoting Jesus on a supposedly Christian forum.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

30. Correction: almost all *fundamentalist* Christians you speak with

are war-mongering, imperialist, repugnant, Republikkan brownshirt Bush supporters.

They exist in a total information environment, where their preachers have them believing that anything not officially sanctioned by their church is "of Satan."

To paraphrase Al Sharpton, instead of hanging around with the "Christian right," you should be hanging around with the "right Christians." Try a United Methodist, ELCA Lutheran, Episcopal, American Baptist, UCC, or (northern) Presbyterian church, and avoid any place that calls itself "non-denominational," because that's a codeword for "no one's minding the store and the minister can get away with anything he wants."

[leftofthedial]

32. you were banned for quoting Jesus

at a Christian site?

Jesus!

[Az]

34. Belief is not about doctrine

I could read you passages in the bible that would turn your stomach (even after seeing the horrors around us today). And these are the actions of god.

Belief is not about what is written. It is not about what is true. It is not about what you can prove. It is about what you synthesize from all the things around you. It is about what your mind accepts as true. It is about what you take from the doctrine and how you interpret it.

Belief is simply the threshold that must be crossed in order for a new idea to take hold. It marks the emotional weight that must be carried inorder to overcome the current belief or to bond with it. If something new does not meet that criteria it will be rejected.

Here is a simple test. Get a bible. Go find a fundimentalist literalist. Read the Luke 6:30. Ask them for their car or something. Watch how they reject the literal word of Jesus because it does not fit their synthesys of their beliefs.

[Az]

35. I was once banned from a Christian chat room for asking

If Adam and Eve had belly buttons.

I have even been exorcised online.

There is a built in defense against direct challenges to the belief structures. If you press the wrong buttons the defenses go up and no information will get through. Its a highly evolved system and very difficult to penetrate.

[Taverner]

39. Fundamentalist Xianity is to Christ

What soap is to chickens.
Absolutely nothing to do with each other.

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42. You big silly

Don't you know quoting the bible only works when it's (misinterpreted) against homer-seckshulality and baby-killin'?? ;)

No wonder you were banned; you clearly don't *understand* the word of God like they do... :eyes: