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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:43 PM
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Has anyone here ever known a COMPLETE sociopath?
I got the shock of my life tonight, learning that someone I thought was my friend COMPLETELY misrepresented herself and her career. Instead of being an attorney, she's convicted of mail fraud and got out of the pokey in Oklahoma in December. LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:45 PM
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1. Holy smokes!!!
To answer your question, no. But your story is WILD.
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aquaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:49 PM
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2. Used to work in a correctional setting
True sociopaths are the scariest people on the planet because they just have no conscience. Many are very intelligent as well which helps them with the manipulation thing.
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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:07 PM
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46. Used to work in a psychiatric unit.
And their guard was sometime down but usually up when they came in, because they had done themselves out of all the money and all the drugs and everyone in their lives had had enough of being used. And the stories were so sad, so sad, and they were all victims of bad circumstance and police mistreatment and abandonment by family, and they were only there because they were going to kill themselves.

But it would not be a matter of days or sometimes hours, once they got clean clothes and a shower and a toothbrush. Then the scam began again. And these poor excuses for a human would steal personal belongings from other patients and from the staff whenever and however they were able. And money, if any was available. Cigarettes. Car keys. Keys of any kind. Identification. PIN numbers. SSN information. P.O. box numbers. Shoes.

Beg for the telephone to call whomever would accept it. Beg for a ride. Beg for this and for that and promise money.

And they were charming, me oh my. I got hard quick, but there were always mentally ill people or folks with some sort of dementia who were taken in such an ugly way.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:53 PM
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7. She was my best friend all through junior high and high school
in Kansas 25 years ago. I found her several years ago on Classmates.com after losing touch with her. She told me she'd been a United flight attendant and was then in law school. She inspired me to FINALLY apply to law school; I was the one whom everyone expected to become a lawyer in high school, not her! She said she made law review, but turned it down; that she graduated second in her class; she knew all the right things to say.

Something has bothered me about her story for some time. I found this out tonight by Googling her name. I had read her purported law school's web site with interest (because she went there, or so I thought), and I checked the alumni section, but her name didn't come up. I found out tonight she was convicted of nine counts of mail fraud - she was a secretary at a Tulsa hospital and got physicians' information and applied for credit cards in their names. I HAD NO BLOODY IDEA!!! I am completely shocked.

I guess you just never know about people, do you? My husband said one good thing came of it; at least now I am LEGITIMATELY in law school, partially due to her "inspiration."

I feel violated and angry.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:55 PM
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9. Yeah, I'd feel pretty used too.
But, at least you're getting something positive from it.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:57 PM
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12. That's what my husband said
Edited on Sat May-22-04 10:58 PM by DeposeTheBoyKing
"At least she inspired you to apply to law school!" I'd always wanted to go, but life intervened. Then I thought, "if she can do it, I can!" Turns out she never did it. I even spent $80 to get her a crystal clock with her name and "Esq." on it. WHERE WILL MY CRYSTAL CLOCK BE IN MAY 2005????????

EDIT: Maybe she can manufacture a license plate for me!!!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:59 PM
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13. Maybe she can make you one in the prison shop.
Or maybe a nice license plate.

Sorry...just being a smart-ass. :spank:
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:00 PM
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14. You and I think exactly alike, GOP!
Maybe it's the Gemini-Virgo Mercury thing.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:57 PM
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10. She may not be a sociopath
She may either have delusions of grandeur or lied to impress you.

A TRUE sociopath is incapable of empathy. They do not see anyone around them as having value.

Think Ted Bundy, Alex from Clockwork Orange....
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:49 PM
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26. Also Dubya...n/t
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:50 PM
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3. Did I ever know a sociopath? Oh f*** yeah!
Went to college with a few of them.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:51 PM
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4. I've met a TRUE true sociopath
It was in high school and he convinced another kid to walk straight into traffic....tried to talk another kid into suicide...<shiver>
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:18 PM
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63. THAT'S a sociopath. nt
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:52 PM
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5. Is that a sociopath?
I thought it was a pathological liar, but maybe they're the same.

:shrug:
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:53 PM
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6. My second wife
No, I'm not kidding. She was brilliant but never applied herself to anything but crooked schemes. She got a MDA kit and collected about $200 and kept all but $20 of it for herself. She joined the Army for the enlistment bonus and then skipped out. There was always something. Thank God I came home one day and she was just gone or I might have gone to jail for some stunt she pulled.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:54 PM
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8. WOW!
Glad nothing happened to you! What a horrible situation!
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:57 PM
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11. they can be found anywhere...
At my University they called themselves College Republicans
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:00 PM
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17. LOL
She has three kids, too. I feel really sorry for them. Very nice kids.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:00 PM
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15. Former college roommate is the only one I'd suspect....
She was an incredibly good liar... lied about anything to get her way. Had a sweetheart for a boyfriend.... terrific guy. I found out about most of her lies long after she left school. Anyway, among those lies were making up fake crises to get people to give/loan her money, and numerous times cheating on her wonderful boyfriend. Here's the part that makes me think she was a sociopath... her boyfriend became her husband, and one day a few years later, he was murdered... it was never solved.... but she ended up cashing in the life insurance and striking things up again with one of those past lovers. One of my friends stayed friends with her over the years (I did not). She backed off a couple years after the murder....said she never seemed to really mourn him, and seemed happy (too soon) to move on with her life with the old lover.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:01 PM
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18. Yikes!
That is very fishy.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:09 PM
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20. Yo uknow, I hadn't thought about her in almost 10 years until tonight....
one thing I just remembered... the last time I saw her was at a party at the home of our mutual friend, before that friend backed off from her. It was about a year after the murder. Her husband had been stabbed several times and found on the porch/entryway to their apartment. I politely told her I was sorry to hear about her husband. she proceeded to tell me how he was killed, how she found him, etc.... but it was with the calm, cool demeanor of someone giving the synopsis of a movie. It was really creepy! She was really beautiful and charming (on the surface) too. I mean, she could get away with absolutely ANYTHING with a wink and a smile. I wonder what she's gotten away with since then??
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Lou_C Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:54 AM
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32. Google her name and see if she comes up under murder
She might be in prison right now. That is some scary stuff and I feel bad about the husband being murdered.

:scared:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:30 PM
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50. I don't remember her married name/husband's name.
I remember her maiden name, and I didn't come up with any hits (It's an unusual name). Maybe I'll check classmates.com! My curiosity is up after all this time.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:51 PM
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27. This sounds a lot like my ex-wife
although she was never smart enough to have pulled off anything major. She did used to lie to her parents and tell them I was beating her and stealing from her so that they would give her money. It didn't take long for that to blow up in her face.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:00 PM
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16. oh, let me tell you a story!
several jobs ago, i used to work with a woman who was the treasurer of our 17 person company. she was very nice and sweet and we chatted quite a bit. i was always curious about money in general and how companies manage cash flow and other nerdly things. she was happy to explain. she didn't always have the answers to my questions, but she always had books she could look things up in or lend me.

cool.

at our company's annual picnic she showed up with her hubby and 4 munchkins. the kiddies all were hyper and, frankly, a bit off. i could never put my finger on it, but ya know when ya get that sense that something just ain't right? well i had that bigtime. anyway, one of the little rascals actually said "those aren't my real parents". which certainly was an odd thing to volunteer, even for a 5 year old. but, whatever, so they have weird kids, so what.

so, one day, she wasn't in for work. nor the next day. sick i guess. nor the day after. i finally asked the top dog what was up.

she had been ARRESTED after the top dog found that her husband had racked up over $100,000 on the company card. turns out the couple were professional embezzlers, wanted in FIVE STATES for similar shenanigans.

when the kids said that they weren't their real parents, they weren't lying. the couple was childless. somehow they managed to "rent" kids for the company picnic as a bizarre part of their "cover".
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:02 PM
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19. MAN!
People are nuts, aren't they? "If you want the truth, go to a child!"
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:14 PM
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21. Yes.
A very emotionally/psychologically/sexually/physically/you name it homosexual female. She was my best friend's partner for some time -- and she'd do ANYTHING to this poor girl... and she'd manage to keep her wrapped around her finger anyway.

When my best friend finally started to get the sense to leave her, she tried to talk her into suicide.

Her infamous quote to me is.. "No. I don't care about her. Or you. You aren't real people."
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:18 PM
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22. Sick, sick, sick
Unbelievable, the effect these people have on others.
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:38 AM
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33. Yes.
That woman is one of the few people that incite pure rage in me. She was committed against her will to a mental institution, seduced a female therapist, and got the therapist to sign her release. They lived together for two weeks, the therapist figured out she was insane, and she put her back in the hospital. The sociopathic woman is now trying to say her former therapist raped her and blackmailed her in an effort to ruin her career.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:19 AM
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41. Well, therapists can't do that
Was it a forcible rape? No (Or so I think according to your post. I know nothing about your particular case. I am talking generalities.)

However, when a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist sleeps with a patient it is legal rape because of the power dynamics of the relationship. A patient is assumed to be incapable of giving consent.

Also, the lack of training most therapists have is shocking to me.
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:54 PM
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56. Yes, I know.
The doctor made a big, big mistake. However, this girl is vile and wrong. :/
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:22 PM
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23. Just a semi-sociopath


Hey Jack, how's YOUR night going? Yes, I am getting those lesson plans ready for tomorrow. :7
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:42 PM
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24. Dated one.
This guy couldn't tell the truth about ANYTHING. I met him through a personal ad, and GOD did he run me through the ringer.

He had an ex he was obsessed with, only he didn't tell me that. He told me that she'd gone off her nut after they broke up, caught him with his secretary, and pulled a gun on them.

To me, "You're so beautiful, so sweet...blah blah blah..."

After several months of him trying to get his practice off the ground (he was an ambulance chaser. Surprised?) in Austin, he had to give up and take a job at an established firm. The first one he got was in Dallas. So we agreed we'd stay in touch.

He was the one calling ME saying how lonely it was, how he missed me, etc.

When I went to visit, we went out to dinner, then Saturday, he had to go into the office for a few hours.

I sat down on the couch, watched some TV and played with the dog. There was a magazine rack next to the couch, so I started looking for something to read. What looked like a sketchbook turned out to be a diary.

I KNOW I should have shut it, but I'm glad I kept reading.

I wasn't as pretty as the ex, tits weren't as big as the ex, I was too this, too that. I had "psycho potential!" (after he told me about the ex with the gun). I was BUGGING him (while he was the one calling me after he moved), and oh yeah...

"I need to break this off, but she's the only chance for sex I'll have for awhile, so I'm going to keep it up, if only for that."

I can't even tell you how much therapy I needed because of that fucker. I had just lost 30 pounds and looked better than I had ever looked in my life. There's nothing like being the best you can be, and still having someone still think it's shit.

Lisa, let me know if you ever need a personal injury lawyer in Houston; I can tell you who NOT to go to!

Depose-- sorry about your "friend." You have my sympathies, truly.

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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:47 PM
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25. WOW!!! PM me with the name if you don't mind! That's wild!
BTW, I also met up with a couple of really bad guys when I had lost a lot of weight and was starting to really build up my confidence.... It totally sabotaged the progress I had made! But I am sure it was nothing in comparson to what you went through! I think it's part of the reason I put the weight back on! Self-protection!
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:33 AM
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45. I did the same thing for the same reason!
Got involved more than I should have with a sociopath that left me so scarred for a few years I gained 15-20 lbs. and hardly ever left the house when I got home after work. Took me awhile to process that, and it's been almost 6 years but I haven't dated since. I didn't want anyone to ever see me again as attractive.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:53 PM
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28. Yes. Diagnosed that way.
Edited on Sat May-22-04 11:53 PM by BiggJawn
He's in prison.
Unpleasant memories.

Should have NEVER married his mom.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:03 AM
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29. I have unfortunately known two--both straight men.
One was a colleague at my first legal job (I'm an attorney). The guy was a pathological liar, wife beater and possible arsonist, among his other charms. He just used people and was unbelievably hostile toward women. He now practices law in the Midwest and I pity his family and his clients.

The second was the psycho-stalker-abuser live-in boyfriend of a former friend. I tried to help her and he came after me. She, of course, covered up for him. Later, he went after her when she finally found the strength to tell him not to come back after a business trip. The loser had also done similar things with a past girlfriend who ended up joining the Air Force for the sole reason of getting rid of him. Here's a quote from the creep: "I like dating (my friend) because she's easy to dominate." Nuf said.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:29 AM
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38. I never used to hate lawyers because of their profession...
but my judgement has definitely been colored. What is it with lawyers? They lie for a living. So that makes them really good at it. 'Nuff said.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:22 AM
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42. Many sociopaths in the legal profession
Edited on Sun May-23-04 11:30 AM by AngryAmish
The power potential of attorneys makes the profession attractive.

Edited for spulling.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:24 AM
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44. Agreed. n/t
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:48 PM
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53. Ugh! It's so true!
Also have learned from experience. A bunch of sociopaths, megalomaniacs, narcissistic, insecure, neurotic liars!!

Not all, but most, anyway.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:33 AM
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30. Yes, and he was one of the most charming people I have ever known
I was never taken by him (recognised his nature very quickly) We remained friends for many years (as much as one can be friends with that type) and we had LOTS of fun and interesting adventures.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:31 AM
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37. that's the catch, isn't it?
WHile I've known some very un-charming and un-pleasant sociopaths, it's the ones who are fun and "alive" in a way that's hard to describe that can reel you in.
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:44 AM
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31. My brother
He is very intelligent and hilarious, but wow is he crazy. My husband first met him at a prison picnic, which should tell you a lot.

It was not much fun growing up with him for a brother. The stealing, the screaming fights with my mom all hours of the night, the schemes to "get you back" for any small thing, uggh. The fun of walking out of a store and having him stopped for shoplifting, the fun of dealing with people he lied to, stole from, or otherwise betrayed. The disgust, as he got older, every time he was put in jail for domestic abuse.... I could go on.

What's strange is that I'm a total bleeding heart empathy person, who feels guilty over even the mildest things.

One of the worst moments of either of my pregnancies was when I was convinced that I would have a boy and he would be just like my brother. I went into hysterics and it took me a while to calm down. The daughter I gave birth to later is a handful, but she shows empathy already and I'm not so worried about having a child like my brother now.
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:25 AM
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34. No, they've all had parts missing. n/t
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:20 AM
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35. My daughter's boyfriend/ex-boyfriend
We are trying to get her away from him and right now it's working. I found out after she had started dating him that in high school he had been arrested and jailed for taking a gun to school and threatening to kill is girlfriend who wanted to break up with him.

He will lie to your face with an attitude of complete innocence. He has a penchant for revenge that is extremely scary. When some guy was flirting with my daughter at work, the bf caught up with him in his car and beat him so badly - broke his leg by slamming the car door on it. Got into an argument with an auto repair place next door to our business - waited a month or so and drove by at night and blew the garage door with a shotgun (he drove my daughter by the next day and told her). When she tried to leave him twice he was going to kill himself in front of her - gun in his mouth. When the police came and hauled him off to the local hospital psych ward they let him out 2 days later.

He is now on probation and has to attend anger management classes but makes violent threats to his probation officer after he comes home from visits. I have warned the probation officer and hoping this doesn't get me killed.

My husband are shopping for handguns for concealed carry permits.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:35 AM
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39. Ohmigod Fred--
How horrible.

This is one of those situations that parents fear the most, isn't it? A daughter meeting the "bad boy" type? Only he puts the term "bad boy" on a whole new level!

I saw a Lifetime movie recently about a mother in Florida who had to deal with a guy like this stalking her daughter, and she managed to help get anti-stalking legislation passed in Florida. It nearly broke her marriage up, and drove everyone in the family a little mental because this guy was ALWAYS there.

I don't know how I'd react to such an terrible situation.

I feel awful for what you're going through. Be careful and safe, and I will keep you and your daughter in my thoughts.

FSC
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:03 PM
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62. hell just get the guns now and worry about the permits later
with a freak like that.

Not having a permit won't get you in as much trouble as not being able to shoot a murdering creep when he attacks your family.

Act now, ask forgiveness later we say.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:26 AM
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36. sure several I'm afraid
Only one female sociopath though but it was amazing to watch her in action. She was an expert at credit fraud and was never arrested for years of what we now call "identity theft" style offenses, but when she tried to blackmail someone for six figures, the victim called the FBI. Somehow they settled it though and she stayed out of jail. If they keep their action to the white collar crimes, it's pretty unlikely they'll go to jail, but some sociopaths are smarter than others.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:07 AM
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40. My friend messed up
She made the minimum payments on all the fraudulent credit cards to keep the accounts open as long as possible; she was finally caught when she missed a payment on one card and it was brought to the attention of the doctor in whose name she got the card.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:22 AM
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43. sounds like too much work for my friend
She would never make any payments on any of these cards, being confident that there will always be an endless supply, I suppose. Certainly she would not have had them sending the bills to her actual address! I got the impression she used any given card for just a day or two and then on to the next. However, she was also perfectly willing to pick up other women's billfolds in bars or what have you -- she didn't have to rely on a job to get credit cards, although for a brief while she did work in a department store and get her hands on a whole bunch of cards. I wasn't too clear on how that scam worked but as far as I know the store never had a clue. She would even buy things and then return them for cash, which you can't do these days, of course, it would just go back on your card. With the rise of these check cashing places in the later 1980s, she even got a device to manufacture her own driver's licenses and would write checks all over the place. I honestly don't know how she got away with it all, it seemed very sloppy to me.

Another thing she did was steal from naive boyfriends. She wrote checks and got $50,000 off one poor guy but he was too much in love to prosecute. It was sad. At the time I thought it was funny because she told us he was in organized crime and that $50,000 would just "appear" in his checking account every few months for whatever reason. Later when I got to know him better, I learned that he was no such thing -- the one-time appearance of $50,000 was his entire legacy from the death of his father.

Eventually I was working with money so I picked a fight and distanced myself from her. It was harder than it should have been. She was used to scenes and didn't take the hint at first. I finally had to spell it out that I no longer considered us friends, which I hate to do, but it was necessary.

Last I heard through the grapevine she was setting up a scam at a nursing home. I don't think I even want to know.

What a world!
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:15 PM
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47. Two, I think
One was my boss. I think he was a sociopath, though he may have simply been a compulsive liar. I was constantly amazed by what he would lie about and to whom. He lied about EVERYTHING. No subject was too petty or too important. I went to management about it and they just said it was my word against his. He was fired twice; the first time, he just ignored it and kept coming in, so they let him stay! I couldn't get transferred to another boss because nobody would take my place, so I finally took an unpaid leave knowing he would hire someone new in the interim, and I was willing to take whatever opening was available when I returned. It worked, and my career (and mental health) thrived as a result.

The other was a secretary at the same company. I didn't know her well because she was fired after just a few months for going through offices and stealing cash and credit cards. She was beautiful, sophisticated and ultra-chic, more like an executive than a support staffer. If she could be believed, her well-off parents insisted she work but she wasn't interested in a career. She had a highly sexual persona and "fuck you" attitude that drove the males crazy, but she had dead eyes that were frightening. After she was canned it came to light that she had stolen from other workplaces but her attorney father (there's that lawyer connection again) kept getting her off the hook.

The good thing about her was that if you didn't feel like coming in, she would lie for you. :D
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:47 PM
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48. Hey! Lawyers aren't ALL bad!
I'm a lawyer-in-training, and I don't lie to people or do any of these other activities!
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:52 PM
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52. no offense :-)
Don't mean to imply lawyers lie more than people in other professions...

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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:22 PM
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49. I lived with one for two years
Edited on Sun May-23-04 02:11 PM by neebob
Met him on the internet in February 1998, invited him to come live with me and be my love, and am lucky to be here to tell about it. Boy, did I ever not get what I expected. I now refer to him as the giant hookworm of death that attached itself to me. I threw him out - fittingly and not without much difficulty - on April 1, 2000. I'm still paying for it. Cost me $30,000 in direct expenses, and I'm sure it will be at least double that amount in the long run. I've just resigned myself to spend the next 10-15 years getting back to where I would have been financially if I'd never met this monstrous waste of flesh.

It would take all day to enumerate and explain the things that were wrong with this dude - runaway husband, deadbeat father of seven, convicted felon, alcoholic, drug addict, closet homosexual, vicious verbal abuser, pathological liar, thief, sick-pretending bum from hell. Faked a stroke with a doctor's unwitting complicity and bought himself four additional months under my roof. What he put me through was so bizarre and unimaginable and changed me so completely, it feels like it happened to someone else.

About a month after I threw him out, his wife called and revealed he had Hepatitis C, and I realized he'd deliberately exposed me and my son, who was 11 at the time. I lived in dread and despair for a couple of months, awaiting the test results. Then I spent another year or two obsessively hating him. THEN I learned about sociopaths (or psychopaths, which is what I believe he is) and went, "Oh, so THAT's what was the matter with him."

It wouldn't surprise me to see him on the news one day and learn he's also a prolific serial killer. Fortunately, I wasn't the object of his obsession, so when he was done with me he just walked away and I haven't heard a peep in four years.

The last thing he said when I dumped him off in a motel parking lot on April Fools Day 2000 was, "You can smile now; you're rid of this asshole." It may be the only thing he ever said to me that was true - oh, and "You are nothing to me."

The good news is my life will never seem like anything but a big fun party in comparison to the two years I spent battling this monster. It opened my eyes to the world, taught me what's important, and caused me to appreciate what I have. Not that I'm ever going to thank him for it, but I'm a much better person for having known this one asshole. I am so very lucky.

Depending on which expert you choose to believe, one to three people in a hundred is a sociopath or psychopath. That translates to a pretty good chance of meeting several and becoming involved with one over the course of a lifetime. It's so much easier to spot the good people after knowing a really bad one.
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:11 PM
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51. my ex-girlfriend.
She lived with me for about 2 months, which was probably the biggest mistake i've ever made. i had dated her for about a year prior to her moving in and i thought she was somewhat relatively sane at that point.

She had always told me that her father was dead. He had killed himself in his jail cell while serving time for molesting her years earlier. She then said her family hated her for it, even though her father had done such horrible things to her.

So, being the bleeding-heart liberal sucker that i am, i agreed to let her move in with me since she had nowhere else to go.

Towards the last 2 months of the relationship, she started telling me tales of her being forced to watch a vampire kill someone, making her half vampire. Or she would start talking to the ghost that supposedly haunted our house. She even went as far as to tell my mother that she caught me making out with the lead singer of the industrial band that i was in.

So, enough was enough, she had to go. I was in colorado on vacation, negotiating the forthcoming move to denver from dallas at the time of her move. She took 4 pairs of my shoes, several of my posters, clothing and my Slayer - Divine Intervention cd with her while i was out. Which is a fair trade -- as much as i liked slayer and my Vans bowling shoes, it was far better to get rid of her. It turns out she had also stolen several nightgowns from my mother and some of her rings... and my BABY BOOK. sweet, eh?

It turns out later that not only did her family NOT hate her, they fronted her the money to get a new apartment and her father helped her move... wait a second...

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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:17 PM
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54. Unfortunately I came to know one in the recent past
I have never met someone so consistantly arrogant, narcissitic, and lacking empathy as him. I am convinced that the only reason that he hasn't done horrible things is because he is afraid, not because he would have any problems with stealing, killing, or other crimes. He sort of reminded me of my abusive former stepfather who is a successful marketing manager except that my evil stepfather had one lifelong friend who he seemed to have empathy with and sometimes cared about his children.
Fortunately, he is pretty much out of my life now. For some reason my husband still has sympathy for him but at least I don't have to see him again.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:36 PM
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55. sociopaths
I've known some & unfortunately have worked for some.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:01 PM
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57. There is one in the WH right now...
Edited on Sun May-23-04 08:02 PM by tjwash
...what else do you call someone who giggles and makes fun of someone he is about to throw the switch on, in front of TV news cameras no less, slaughters thousands of civilians, and smirks about it while calling it "collateral damage" (translated means, oops fucking' ragheads got in the way of our missiles), and then has the stones to stand ten thousand miles away and tell well armed people with nothing to live for, and everything to die for to "bring it on" (translated means, fuck em, aint any of my kids that are in the Marines).
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:29 PM
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58. My ex-step dad.
This all happened when I was like 10 or 11... so bear with me.

Parking tickets one day started coming to our house. Not major ones, $10 tickets. Still... he attested he didn't park there. He claimed the City of Pekin cops were really corrupt, and they just ticketed random cars.

He said everything would be alright, he was getting them taken care of by someone higher up on the Pekin Police chain.

The time came to buy a house, and the now massive amount of tickets that had been turned over to collections were hitting our credit. Again, he said he'd take care of it. He went to his boss, and somehow got him to pay for the tickets. He got the statement from collections, gave it to the bank... voila. Loan.

Tickets still came, still went right to him to "fix." My mom got her driver's license suspended(it was her car he drove) shortly after that. He went to an attorney and supposedly sorted it out. It was okay for her to drive anyway. He said we'd sue the City of Pekin. My mom shortly after that, with me in the car, got pulled over and arrested for driving with a suspended license. She went to jail and was released due to my (ex) step-dad's story. He was all the time taking college classes at the community college to get a better job.

My mom at this point was pissed off, and demanded answers. She asked one of his co-workers about the tickets, and he said "Well it's no surprise he keeps getting tickets. He parks illegally right in front of the station every day."

This was when the shit hit the fan.

The redux:
-Somehow got his boss to pay $2000, forged the statement to look like $8,000 or so.
-Racked up over $20,000 in parking tickets due to his own laziness and stupidity.
-Only had to pay for $2,000, because he only drove his car a little bit there.
-Mom filed for divorce, citing extreme mental cruelty.
-Grandparents helped pay over $7,000 -- the minimum needed to convince the State to give Mom her license back
-Mom was left with many more thousands of dollars in parking tickets to pay back.
-Asshole took a job in TN, where he still lives to this day.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:39 PM
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59. A coworker....
.... I always knew there was something not right about him, but I could not put my finger on it.

One time, when visiting my home he picked up my two year old son and made a comment I found very strange.

Fast forward several years, he had befriended another coworker (I had left the company) and especially his 10 year old son. He was caught in the final stages of his plan to kidnap the son and his ex-wife's son and move to another state. Turns out he was a gay pedophile. He had the adoption papers (forged) and the phones tapped, the whole nine yards.

I don't know what happened to him, I hope he is still in jail. It is really freaky when you find that someone you "knew" is totally off their nut.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:42 PM
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60. my brother.
total, raging psychopath. I left the state to get away from him.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:47 PM
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61. I couldn't believe this one guy.
He was married to my friend's cousin. He was a Vietnam vet and had health problems that he said were due to agent orange. I'm guessing they were married for about 20 years or so, and they had kids. The guy had drinking problems and was abusive to his wife. One night when he and his wife came home, he was so drunk that he couldn't even get himself into the house. I guess she was so fed up with him that she didn't bother to help him in, figuring he'd eventually make his way inside. He ended up freezing to death, if I remember correctly.

Here's the kicker: After his death, she went to the VA to find out about getting his veteran's benefits; she found out that not only was he not in Vietnam, he was never even in the military! It blew me away to hear that someone could 'fool' his wife and kids like that. Shit, she was married to him for all that time, and she didn't even know who he was. That's some scary shit!
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:35 PM
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64. I'm almost certain to get in a serious relationship with her-
I've been through all of the east coast sociopaths.
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