Baseball Hall of Fame. Who should be there, who shouldnt?

[maveric]

Phil Rizzuto?? Gimme a break!
Jim Kaat should be there.

Lou Boudreau, No.
Dwight Evans and Jim Rice, Yes.

[Paragon]

1. Alan Trammell & Lou Whitaker

Together, if necessary.

[Donkeyboy75]

2. It's a goddamned shame that Trammell, Sandberg and Santo

aren't in yet, and you have guys like Ozzie Smith getting the highest percentage of votes all time. :wtf:

[maveric]

6. Ron Santo was one the best 3rd baseman ever.

Plus he could hit. He's a diabetic too.

[Doosh]

3. who should?

should- Harold Baines, Dwight Evans, Jim Rice, Keith Hernandez, Albert Belle, Gil Hodges, Don Mattingly


not- Bill Mazeroski, Carlton Fisk

[tcfrogs]

12. why not fisk?

[Doosh]

35. he was never close to being a dominant player

career .269 hitter, only drove in 100rbi twice.

[tcfrogs]

17. Why Albert Belle?

Love him - peak stats should get him in - but they won't

[Richardo]

37. I must take exception to you booting Mazeroski...

Defense gets you into the hall, too. In the course of a 17-year career, Maz was:

"...one of the best defensive second baseman in history with a lifetime .983 fielding percentage.

The 10-time National League All-Star led the National League in assists nine times, fielding percentage three times, and double plays eight times.

A capable batter with 2,016 career hits, "Maz" achieved hero status in Pittsburgh's 1960 Fall Classic against the Yankees when he became the first player ever to end the World Series with a home run." (I did not know that - it took until 1960 for a walk-off home run to win the World Series? :wow: )

[Bunny]

41. Right you are Richardo!

Maz was blcklisted from the HOF for years by the POS Ted Williams. I guess Maz' stats didn't meet HIS lofty standards. It was only in the year right before Williams died that Maz finally took his rightful place in the Hall.

And you know what? Even if Maz wasn't such a stellar defensive player, he should have still been in the Hall (maybe as an honorable mention or something) for that 1960 home run. One of the most classic moments in baseball history!

So there, all you naysayers! ;)

[TroubleMan]

4. Pete Rose & Shoeless Joe Jackson should both be in.

nt

[tcfrogs]

13. He said he knew about the fix!

No HOF for JJ!

[WoodrowFan]

5. Rizzuto

unless it's in the announcer's wing.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

7. Definitely Dewey and Jim Rice

great memories from childhood...

[OneBlueSky]

8. that they continue to overlook Gil Hodges is a travesty . . . n/y

.

[soleft]

9. Thurman Munson

3 World Series, two victories
Rookie of the Year
MVP
Batted 300 and 100 Ribbies 3 years in row
Golden Gloves
All Star Teams
Captain of the Yankees

[tcfrogs]

14. career too short

sorry - great guy, and a great player...not comparable to Roy Campanella, not even close.

[soleft]

28. They let Roberto Clemente in

[Richardo]

29. As well they should - he played 17 years

<-- The Great One

Career: 1955-1972 Pittsburgh Pirates
Hits 3000
Career Avg .317

Achievements

12 Time Gold Glove Winner
12 Time National League All-Star
Batted .311 or Higher in Thirteen Seasons
Four National League Batting Titles
1966 National League MVP
1971 World Series MVP
Eleventh Major League Player to Record 3,000 Hits
Uniform Number 21 Retired by Pittsburgh Pirates in 1973


Plus he could throw from the right field corner at Forbes Field to home plate on the fly.

How could he NOT be in the Hall of Fame? And how long a career do you have to have? Munson played for 10 years. What's the required time? :shrug:

[soleft]

32. They waived something for him

I thought it was the amount of years he played, but I guess it was the waiting period to be admitted, I think they put him in immediately after his death.

[Richardo]

33. I think you're right - it was the 5-year waiting period...

[Bunny]

36. You cannot be serious!

Roberto NOT in the HOF? Please.

I'll just let Richardo speak for us fans of the Great One. If those stats don't do it, then what would it take?

[Whitacre D_WI]

38. Not just that...

...but you can't even make the "what if" argument.

The accident was a tragedy, but the productive part of his career had been over for two years before he died.

[SaveElmer]

10. Tony Oliva and Bert Blyleven

Tony Oliva - 1964 Rookie of the year, 1966 gold glove, .304 lifetime batting average, 1,917 hits, 220 homeruns, almost 1000 RBI, led the league in hits his rookie year. Career cut short by knee problems but still played 14 years. He gets fairly close every year. Vet committee ought to vote him in, one 1 World Series team ('65 Twins, lost to Sandy Koufax in game 7)

Bert Blyleven - 287 wins (25th all time), 4970 innings pitched (13th all time), 242 complete games (91st all time), 3701 strikeouts (5th all time), 60 shutouts (9th all time), Career ERA 3.31, on two world series winning teams ('79 Pirates and '87 Twins). Had one of the wickedest curve balls in baseball history.

[beanball]

11. Baseball's hall of fame

will remain a joke as long as Pete Rose is kept out and the likes of Ty Cobb and Rogers Hornsby are enshrined.

[JackDragna]

19. The difference being..

..Cobb was merely a jerk. Rose did something that fundamentally put into question his integrity as a manager.

[Archae]

15. The worst part about the Hall Of Fame...

Is that Bush Phanboi running it right now.

(Whatever his name is.)

[tcfrogs]

16. y'all have your opinons

but, I have several thousand words on the subject.

Don't want to post my thoughts, unless I'm demanded to...part of a book that will be published, hopefully soon....

Blyleven - in
Kaat - in
Rose - in
Santo - in
Joe Jackson - out

I have about 40 guys I'd kick out - old NY Giants, Rizzuto, etc...

Ask me about someone you thing should be in - I'll tell you IF they will, when, and why so/not.

[Donkeyboy75]

18. Please explain why Rose is in and Jackson is out

:wtf:

[JackDragna]

20. Pete Rose..

..but not Shoeless Joe Jackson? How do you come up with that?

[tcfrogs]

24. Rose in, Jackson out

Joe Jackson took money to throw the '19 series. Whether he knew what was going on completely is debatable. Rose has never been accused of throwing games to cause his team to lose. Gambling on his team to win, yes. Big difference.

Rose was a fantastic player and posted career statistics that can not be ignored. He'll get into the HOF at some point. Probably after he dies.

[Awsi Dooger]

21. Who knows or cares, I drive right past it every summer

Leaving Saratoga, then thru the Schenectady area, I head slightly west and on the right there's the most untempting sign of all time, a turnoff to Cooperstown and the Baseball Hall of Fame.

I would sooner stop for an Arby's. Don't like baseball, other than it makes November the sweetest month of every year.

[tsakshaug]

22. is Hack Wilson in

I don't remember if he was put in by the vets committee or not.
If not he should be in

also Rice should be in

[Whitacre D_WI]

25. He's in. Many consider him to be a bad choice.

He was great for three years. Good for a few other. He had a short career.

I'd consider him a borderline case, but I'd keep him in.

[gmoney]

23. No Pete Rose

If Pete Rose is let into the Hall of Fame, baseball loses every last shred of integrity and respectability because there will be NO deterrent to keep these guys from fixing games, betting on baseball, etc. The threat of fines and suspensions are meaningless to guys making $10+ Million a year, but I think there's still a germ of desire to be in the Hall of Fame someday, or to have a career in baseball after their playing days are over.

Let Pete Rose into the HOF, and MLB will become WWE wrasslin'.

[Whitacre D_WI]

26. Here's a few:

If we were to purge the Hall of:
-Luis Aparicio (you can't steal first)
-Max Carey
-Hugh Duffy (short career, batting numbers inflated by environment)
-Rollie Fingers (one of two relievers in the Hall; either Gossage or Sutter would be a better choice)
-Jesse Haines*
-Travis Jackson*
-Addie Joss (great pitcher, but only played 9 seasons -- HOF rules expressly prohibit his enshrinement)
-George Kelly*
-Freddie Lindstrom*
-Rabbit Maranville (played in the NL in the '20s, still couldn't hit)
-Bill Mazeroski (a great glove and one memorable home run is not enough)
-Hal Newhouser (best years were when the best players were off fighting WWII)
-Tony Perez (I'm a Reds fan, but there are better players NOT in the Hall)
-Kirby Puckett (it's not about what he "could have" done without the glaucoma, it's about what he actually did in a 12-year career)
-Sam Rice
-Phil Rizzuto
-Ray Schalk (one of the 1919 White Sox who didn't throw the Series -- that's not enough)
-Red Schoendienst (Mazeroski without the game 7 homer)
-Enos Slaughter
-Lloyd Waner (his brother was one of the all-time greats, but Lloyd was not)
-Vic Willis (deadball-era pitcher, not much better than league average)
-Ross Youngs*

*Just about any old teammate of Frankie Frisch who got in during the '70s can go.

We could add the following deserving players:
-Dick Allen (best eligible hitter not in the Hall)
-Bert Blyleven (better pitcher than Nolan Ryan; Nolan's in the Hall, and IMO, deserves to be)
-Dwight Evans (great bat, great glove, long career)
-Wes Ferrell (yes, his career ERA was over 4 -- he also played in an environment where even more runs were scored than in today's game; not to mention, he was the best-hitting pitcher ever)
-Bobby Grich (best 2B of the '70s)
-Dan Quisenberry (second only to Wilhelm, in my book)
-Ryne Sandberg*
-Ron Santo
-Allen Trammell*
-Lou Whitaker*
-Jimmy Wynn (if he hadn't played half his games in the Astrodome, he'd already be in Cooperstown)
-Eddie Yost (I'm only half-joking -- yeah, he was "The Walking Man;" but he lost a LOT of power to Griffiths Stadium, would've hit 20+ homers a year elsewhere)

*Middle infielders of the '80s are getting the shaft, because they're being compared to the MIs of today. It was a different world 20 years ago, and most 2Bs and SSs could not hit. These guys could.


I will not evaluate Pete Rose or Joe Jackson. They both have the numbers. Arguments can be made for both as to why they should or should not be banned, but they are. So, for now, they are off the table.

[joeybee12]

27. Roger Maris, Roger Maris, ROGER MARIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is from a life-long Red Sox fan, who LOATHES the Yankees.

Take away that friggin' asterik because he did it without ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES!

[maveric]

42. Ummm... He had two great seasons and the rest were mediocre.

After 1961 he was never close to what he was the two previous seasons.

[skippysmom]

30. The idiot in charge of it needs to go

Petroskey, the guy who canceled on Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, is a repuke and a pain in the ass I'm told.

I think Maris should be in.

[Commendatori]

31. Rizzuto should be flung out with a catapult,

as should all of those "good but not great" players (examples: Sutton, Yount, Molitor).

[Champ]

34. Pete Rose

Let the man in, but it doesn't matter. He will still go down as one of the best hitters with or without the hall.

[Commendatori]

39. Posthumously, maybe - that's the best he deserves.

The man lied and jerked us around for 14 years. All he had to do was tell the truth, and when he finally decided to, he put it in a book (just to cash in on his shitty character) - and released to overshadow HOF inductees.

Were I commissioner, I'd close the HOF before letting that piece of shit in. However, to shut the baseball world up, I'd compromise: let him in the year after he dies. After lying to us and treating us like idiots for years, IMHO he does not have the right to see his own ceremony.

[Beer Snob-50]

40. REGGIE JACKSON SHOULD BE OUT!!!

but that is my opinion.

[maveric]

43. 536 HRs will get you in regardless of a .267 BA.

And more strikeouts by any other batter in history.