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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:17 PM
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The Prisoner of Azkaban opens a week from tomorrow...
What are your hopes, fears, expectations for this, the third installment of the Harry Potter Franchise? Have you read the books? I'm just in the middle of the fourth, which by the way just had some casting news come out today. You can find that here: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/variety/20040524/va_fi_ne/gleeson_a__potter__wiz_1
I'm so excited for the new movie next week. It looks really great.
Duckie
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:24 PM
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1. I can't wait!!
:bounce:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:24 PM
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2. I LOVE the Harry Potter
books, and I've been enjoying the movie adaptations so far. When I saw the first movie, I was blown away by how it appeared to be exactly the way I'd pictured everything while reading the books. I'm hoping that this third movie will be as good as the first two.

The fourth book, btw, (The Goblet of Fire) is the best one so far, IMHO. And I really like the three main actors, particularly Daniel Radcliffe (Harry). I think they're very true to what the characters in the book are like. Daniel Radcliffe, btw, looks just like a young John Lennon.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:47 PM
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10. Have you read the latest book, THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX?
It's over 900 pages long! How the hell are they going to make that into a three-hour movie?

BTW, it's Daniel Westridge, not Radcliffe. :*
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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:22 PM
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17. Westridge?
Harry Potter

Is there a joke there I didn't get?

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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:26 PM
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18. I stand corrected.
Now where the hell did I get the idea that the kid's last name is Westridge? :shrug:
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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:33 PM
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19. Oh, no big t'ing
I thought there was an in-joke I was missing. Mistakes are nothing. There's too damn many in-jokes on DU to get them all. I figured Westridge was the last name of the "Moran" guy or something, but I'd just looked on IMDB to see when the new movie would premiere.



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Twillig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:27 PM
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21. Imperious Curse.
You're not responsible.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:56 PM
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11. I've Read all 5 TWICE!!
With all respect to your opinion, my favorite is still "Prisoner...", but my wife agrees with you.

Just for fun, here are some of my predictions for #'s 6 & 7!

1. I think that it will turn out that Harry is Dumbledore's grandson.
2. Obviously, Ron & Hermione will become an item, as will Harry & Ginny (Cho was too much of a priss for Harry).
3. I think that Snape will turn out to be a really good guy, perhaps one of Harry's most valuable allies.
4. The final battle in the final book will obviously be Harry and Voldemort, but I think that Ron will be the one who takes care of Draco and Hermione will take care of Mr. Malfoy (how humiliating for him, to be defeated by a mudblood AND a girl!
5. The Dursleys will FINALLY get whats coming to them.
And last but not least....
6. I think that Dumbledore just may be a mudblood, which may be the reason that Voldemort & Malfoy hate him soooo much.

If you agree or disagree with any of these, that's O.K., I just think that it's fun speculating!

By the way, any word on when to expect #6?
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:14 PM
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20. Those are great!!!
I haven't read five, but I'm a little sad that J.K completely has Harry acting out of character. Remember in the first book, he was like, "I can't be a wizard. I'm just Harry. Just Harry." And from what I understand in the fifth book, he's jealous of ron and hermione and he's sad his celebrity isn't as valuable as before. Ron's getting the attention, and he's not. It's just not the same boy.
Duckie
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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:36 PM
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22. I was a teenage boy long ago,
and you change enormously through those years. If JK has Harry acting/thinking differently, it may be good writing, not bad.

He's a celebrity and has been from the minute Hagrid took him to the bank. What kid wouldn't be affected by that?

Sexual jealousy, the need to be noticed, resentment, the need to prove one's self - these are normal parts of growing up - or just being human.

(crawling off soapbox meekly)

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:45 PM
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25. Ah, grasshopper, he's not acting out of character...
he just developing as a character. :)

Rowling allows her characters to have some pretty big weakness that can get them in trouble and cause pain to themsleves and to the people who are close to them.

Ron's jealously about Harry's money, Hermione's indifference to Ron's worries about Crookshanks and Scabbers, Harry's dangerous new belief that he is the only one who can clearly see a situation and act.

Good heavens, that one got his fellow students almost killed and did get Sirius killed!

The journey of a boy from 11 to 18 is a journey of a lifetime. Rowling shows us that in all it's truth, warts and all.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 03:44 PM
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26. I stand corrected.
How did Sirius get killed? I'm just now reading number 4.
Duckie
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:32 PM
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23. Some very interesting possibilities there...
Edited on Fri May-28-04 09:34 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
I agree completely with #2 -- that way Harry, the orphan, also becomes a member of a large, loving family.

And #3 -- I agree Snape really has left Voldermort's service. Voldermort talked about it himseff -- one of his old servants was afraid to return, one had come back, and one was gone forever -- I took that to mean Snape. I am dying to find out WHY Snape left Voldermort and Dumbledore has such confidence in him. There has to be a great story there.

I think the work Snape was doing with Harry to steel his mind against the dreams has forced him to see Harry in a different light and we may see that pay off somewhere in the furture books. There was that moment where Snape got to see Harry had NOT been some privileged child who had a great upbringing, that in fact Harry's life experience was not that far from his own, and we got the impression Snape almost felt sorry for Harry.

I haven't heard anythnig yet on when to expect 6 -- you might check mugglenet to see what the buzz is.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:51 PM
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3. I think it's going to be great...
Edited on Thu May-27-04 08:55 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
I have tremendous hopes that this will be an amazing movie, due to the new director Alfonso Cuaron. Here are a few early reviews found over on Rotten Tomatoes.com and a story from Newsweek ---



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5040564 /

Lightning Strikes
The 'Harry Potter' books have finally gotten the wondrous movie they deserve. 'The Prisoner of Azkaban' boasts a brand-new director and a bold new vision.
By Sean Smith

NewsweekMay 31 issue - The first scene of "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" removes any doubt that the famous child wizard is growing up fast. The camera glides toward a light pulsing in the night, then through an open bedroom window, where Harry is hiding under his covers, playing with his wand and hoping to God he doesn't get caught. Wait a minute. Has new director Alfonso Cuaron inserted a sneaky allusion to the private habits of teenage boys into the family-friendly franchise? Cuaron's a warm, chatty guy and not one to dodge controversy—his last film, "Y Tu Mama Tambien," was so graphic that it was released unrated—but there's no way on earth he's going anywhere near this topic. "This is NEWSWEEK, man!" he says, then laughs for a very long time.

Intentional or not, it's a pitch-perfect bit of subtext, and only the first of many reasons "Azkaban" rocks. Sure, there's a werewolf and a hippogriff and a bunch of other magical stuff, but the real reason this third film in the series outshines the others is that it's about something far more frightening than failing your Potions final or facing Lord Voldemort. It's about being 13. "It's such an archetypal age—the bar mitzvah, the communion," says Cuaron, who replaced Chris Columbus, the director of the first two movies. "It's the moment in which fear is no longer the bogeyman under your bed. It resides inside you. In this story, Harry has to come to terms with his male energy."

..snip

Adapting it wasn't easy. "Potter" fans are fanatical about seeing every sentence of the book on the screen, but Cuaron made a bold decision. He scrapped everything that didn't relate to the central theme or didn't keep the plot flying. He ditched the rich, golden tones of the previous films, replacing them with icy silvers and inky blacks. And he re-envisioned Hogwarts as a grittier, less Disney-fied place, so that the magical moments would be even more transporting. In "Azkaban," Cuaron keeps the camera moving, using very few close-ups, which adds to the eerie sense that Harry is being stalked. The result is a film that's really moving—and really moves. "Alfonso's a soulful person, and that emanates through every frame of his films," says Heyman. "We realized, frankly, that we needed to develop the franchise, to improve. What's so brilliant is that he changed so much, but in a way he changed nothing. It's still within the spirit of what came before it."

...snip

Of course, all of Cuaron's efforts would have been for naught if the three stars—Daniel Radcliffe (Harry), Emma Watson (Hermione) and Rupert Grint (Ron)—weren't up to the task. But their performances, Radcliffe's in particular, are far more impressive this time around. They're all 14 or 15 now, and have two films under their belts. During rehearsals, Cuaron had long conversations with them about the pains and fears of being 13, and then had them write essays, connecting the lives of their characters to their own. "The essays were so beautiful, and so personal," Cuaron says.

More on the site...



http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/HarryPotterandthePrisonerofAzkaban-113...


Ain't It Cool News:

...snip

That’s my way of leading into the first genuinely great Summer 2004 film.

Alfonso Cuaron’s HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN.

In a magic world of real magic, it’s the little things that could be done that terrify, dazzle and enchant. Combining the magic of the really real, the nearly real and power of pixels, Cuaron brings to life J. K. Rowling’s Harry Potter in a way we have yet to see fully before.

...snip

This opening creates a genuine tone shift from the absurd, to the oh so real. This is an element that is continued with regular clothing and more honest emotional moments. There’s a scene between David Thewlis’ Professor Lupin and Harry on this gabled bridge at Hogwart’s, that really touched me. It wasn’t played broadly, but sweetly. In Thewlis’ face you saw such affection for Harry’s parents, while Potter had his back to Lupin, we could see the sadness upon his… Hearing about his parents, hearing how loved they were is so wonderful, yet painful at the same time. He can only know them through the words of others… cryptic descriptions about eyes and faces… of natures and laughs. He’s truly an orphan in this world where everyone knows his story, but him. There’s such a haunt about Harry… I love it. Daniel Radcliffe is fantastic in this edition!

...snip

Cuaron really has such a light touch to this story, in the end it all feels so easy, so elegant and so effortless that I was left with a goofy smile and a dream as I heard the final incantation before the light last left the projector and I was returned to my theater. He understands magic more purely than anyone I’m watching make films today. The misdirection, the naughty nature of it and finally the pure joy of magic… it’s all here, thanks to the greatest wizard to help Harry along his quest for whatever it may eventually be.



From The Hot Button:


I am not a Harry Potter fan. I haven't read the books. I couldn't stand the first movie. I didn't much like the second one.

So why am I so taken with Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azkaban? There is one central reason… Alfonso Cuaron. He makes this episode of the ongoing series into an actual movie, not just another children's toy in shiny cellophane.

...snip

And Hogwarts itself has gone through a remarkable transformation. For the first time, it feels like a boarding school and not just like a series of remarkable sets, one after another. Cuaron's Hogwarts has dirt… it has hillsides that students use as apparent shortcuts… it has more realistic encounters between students. But best of all, it has context for the first time. Michael Gambon, who has no trouble handling the bittersweet task of filling Richard Harris' robes, is no longer just a wise old man who runs a school. He is a hippie with a kofi, newly purple robes and little rubber bands in his beard, running a commune for other freaks like himself. He is joined in this reflectivity by Emma Thompson's Professor Trelawney, a master of fortune telling whose classroom décor may well come out of her VW van each semester.

...snip

But it is Gary Oldman who makes the greatest impression, in two different ways. First, he manages to steal a couple of scenes before he even gets in a word of dialogue. And then, when he starts to speak, he is almost unrecognizable. For whatever reasons, he decided not to rely on any of the magical tricks that we all know as Oldman's and instead voices his Sirius Black without being showy, but without any Oldman landmarks. Not many people will appreciate how much Oldman becomes an actor in this role (he's always brilliant, no matter the role) and not a movie star. I'm sure that it was Oldman's idea for the character, but again, the choice is part of Cuaron's signature on this film.

...snip

Not only is this the best Harry Potter movie, it is the first Harry Potter movie that actually qualifies as cinema. I'll be going to see it again before it opens… not because the kids will drag me, but because I want to.

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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:56 PM
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4. Thanks for posting that!
I'm so excited about this movie, and I'm so glad to see that this film is going to be even better than the ones before. I own the other two and like the a lot, enough to watch them both at least once a week. Thanks again.
Duckie
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:01 PM
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5. My pleasure!
:hi:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:12 PM
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6. It's a shame that I haven't seen the first two
And I probably won't see the third one. My sister owns the first two so I should find time to see them.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:12 PM
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7. I've read the books, but have no interest in seeing the movie. n/t
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:36 PM
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8. Oddly enough, they are quite good.
Edited on Thu May-27-04 09:38 PM by MissMarple
I think it's the English influence. If you should see one, you might be intrigued with the interpretation.

Additonally, have you read the original English versions? I think I'd like to try them. :D
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:40 PM
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9. I HAVE seen one...
the second: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

It was better than it could have been, but it's hard to cram a 341 page book into a few hours in a movie. As such, certain parts were cut out, others were changed, and in the end the result lacked a lot of the beauty of the books.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:01 PM
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13. The mind's eye is a far better camera.
Edited on Thu May-27-04 10:06 PM by MissMarple
You are quite right in what you say. I have no argument there. I'm just happy to see an honest attempt. For example, my son, who doesn't read much, has pretty much memorized a Hunter S. Thompson based movie about Las Vegas. On vacation a year or so ago, he actually read the book. He said there was so much more in the book. He was amazed. He's young, hates to read, but... the movies help, and the ones that do a better job of depicting the story, I have no problems with.

It's like "The Count of Monte Christo", the book is great, Gerard Depardieu's version is good, even charming in part, the others... less so. Jim Caviezel's was not so good.
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:56 PM
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12. As a theater manager
I know it will sell out in minutes and I'm sure it will be a great film, but my problems are
1 The sheer number of people there and the fact that half my employees have prom that weekend means i and the rest of the staff are going to be pulling a lot of overtime
2 The last time it came out we had fist fights between moms over whose kid gets the better seat, a bunch of parents sneaking their kids into the theater and causing a scene when i threw them out (especially after they demanded someone help them find a seat since everything was taken up....morans) One lady called her lawyer and threatened to sue me when i told her she couldn't bring pizza into the building.
3. Harry Potter was the only movie I have ever been forced to use a leaf blower while cleaning, not even other kids movies like finding Nemo or Shrek were that filthy. (Please don't leave your trash in the seats, that drives us insane)
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:11 PM
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14. I Always Take Mine...
...and throw it into the big trash can at the back of the theater. You guys work hard enough for us to be so inconsiderate of you!
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:16 PM
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15. You don't use a leaf blower?
At the theaters I worked at (three, and I was the manager at one of them), we always had people with blowers come in and clean up before we got down to the heavy-duty sweeping and scrubbing.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:37 PM
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24. Boy, does that bring back memories!
I worked at a movie theater part-time during my freshman year of college (1984-85). Boy, was that place a zoo on the weekends! I wouldn't go back to doing that kind of work for any-damned-thing.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:16 PM
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16. I like the movies, they at least try to stay with the books.
Unlike the LOTR which was a disaster and disgrace. Yeah they looked nice and all but the story was gutted and changed into crap. The Harry Potter movies aren't exact but they are close. I worry that they are going to have to cut a lot out of this and the next two because of how long they are. They should make them in two parts if neccesary to keep true to the books.
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